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what qualifies phd students to correct papers?

  • 08-01-2012 10:39PM
    #1
    slum dog
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 240 ✭✭slum dog


    as far as im concerned i dont see how phd researchers or students are in any way qualified to correct papers. the last two papers i had corrected by a phd student were the lowest marks ive ever gotten. it bewilders me how these A holes get paid to give their opinions when they are only a year or two a head of you. this most recent gimp, gave me a forty when i was bangin 70s last semester. i new the moment i saw him that i wouldnt get on with him and when my papers were returned it confirmed my feelings

    any views?


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  • #2
    kirving
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,372 ✭✭✭kirving


    Was it an English exam by any chance?


  • #3
    slum dog
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 240 ✭✭slum dog


    Kevin Irving wrote: »
    Was it an English exam by any chance?

    ya hiberno english smart arse


  • #4
    idunnoshur
    Closed Accounts Posts: 185 ✭✭idunnoshur


    Kevin Irving wrote: »
    Was it an English exam by any chance?

    He couldn't have gotten 40 if it was an english exam :pac:


  • #5
    Havermeyer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,041 ✭✭✭Havermeyer


    slum dog wrote: »
    ...i was bangin 70s last semester...

    That's some age gap - providing you're not a mature student.


  • #6
    James Forde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭James Forde


    slum dog wrote: »
    ya hiberno english smart arse

    Let's take a stab in the dark: you failed?


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  • #7
    GLaDOS
    Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 23,257 Mod ✭✭✭✭GLaDOS


    Never had any problem with them correcting my papers before.

    Cake, and grief counseling, will be available at the conclusion of the test



  • #8
    BopNiblets
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,579 ✭✭✭BopNiblets


    Knowing the answers gives them the qualification.

    50 marks!


  • #9
    Arianna_26
    Closed Accounts Posts: 304 ✭✭Arianna_26


    Your personal gripe aside, I didn't know that PhD students were allowed to correct papers - that's crazy, they're still students.

    I wonder how many of my papers were corrected by them - not that I got bad marks or anything :cool:


  • #10
    Gee Bag
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,541 ✭✭✭Gee Bag


    I''ll dumb this down so you can understand it:

    stewdents what has de phd's is brainier than stewdents what don't be havin dem, dats why dey do be correcting de papers


  • #11
    Sonics2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,037 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    slum dog wrote: »
    as far as im concerned i dont see how phd researchers or students are in any way qualified to correct papers. the last two papers i had corrected by a phd student were the lowest marks ive ever gotten. it bewilders me how these A holes get paid to give their opinions when they are only a year or two a head of you. this most recent gimp, gave me a forty when i was bangin 70s last semester. i new the moment i saw him that i wouldnt get on with him and when my papers were returned it confirmed my feelings

    any views?

    Reading this scares me.
    Is this really how 3rd level students write?


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  • #12
    slum dog
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 240 ✭✭slum dog


    Arianna_26 wrote: »
    Your personal gripe aside, I didn't know that PhD students were allowed to correct papers - that's crazy, they're still students.

    I wonder how many of my papers were corrected by them - not that I got bad marks or anything :cool:

    believe me they correct plenty


  • #13
    hidinginthebush
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,675 ✭✭✭hidinginthebush


    Maybe they're not as concerned with the class average being high as the lecturer would be, and mark according to effort, and your paper was poor.

    Also maybe they put them on the back burner and had a ton of them to get in, so were in a foul mood when it came to yours.


  • #14
    baby and crumble
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,510 ✭✭✭baby and crumble


    slum dog wrote: »
    as far as im concerned i dont see how phd researchers or students are in any way qualified to correct papers. the last two papers i had corrected by a phd student were the lowest marks ive ever gotten. it bewilders me how these A holes get paid to give their opinions when they are only a year or two a head of you. this most recent gimp, gave me a forty when i was bangin 70s last semester. i new the moment i saw him that i wouldnt get on with him and when my papers were returned it confirmed my feelings

    any views?

    Because they know more than you do.

    No 1st year PhD student corrects papers from senior students, in fact most 1st year PhD students aren't let near corrections. SO he's at least 3 years ahead of you.

    Fully qualified LC teachers can be teaching 6th years after 4 years (3 years degree + 1 year H.Dip).


  • #15
    Arianna_26
    Closed Accounts Posts: 304 ✭✭Arianna_26


    Gee Bag wrote: »
    I''ll dumb this down so you can understand it:

    stewdents what has de phd's is brainier than stewdents what don't be havin dem

    Brainier doesn't make them experts on the subjects/topics that are being examined. So it's still wrong.


  • #16
    baby and crumble
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,510 ✭✭✭baby and crumble


    Arianna_26 wrote: »
    Brainier doesn't make them experts on the subjects/topics that are being examined. So it's still wrong.

    Actually, they probably are experts. After 2-3 years studying something you know it inside out and backwards. So they often know more about it than other fully qualified researchers/ lecturers in the department.


  • #17
    jokettle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,419 ✭✭✭✭jokettle


    Often it's part of their contract; I've had to teach tutorials and mark papers because it's in my contract. I'm definitely not the only PhD student who does this.

    Also keep in mind that lecturers are often very overworked, so they use us students to alleviate their workload.


  • #18
    Markx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 932 ✭✭✭Markx


    The general idea in the department I was in was that a PhD student who took the labs/tutorials for a given module was in a reasonable position to correct the exams. I corrected exams, had no particular qualification, but vitally had the correct answers as determined by the lecturer who set the exam.


  • #19
    Leo Dowling
    Closed Accounts Posts: 322 ✭✭Leo Dowling


    Arianna_26 wrote: »
    Brainier doesn't make them experts on the subjects/topics that are being examined. So it's still wrong.

    It's not wrong at all. When I was studying the PhD student usually had a four year degree, a masters and was a couple of years into the PhD in which they were doing fairly intensive academic work and presenting papers at conferences. Some of the best lecturers I've come across were PhD students. There's nothing wrong/unusual about it.


  • #20
    Arianna_26
    Closed Accounts Posts: 304 ✭✭Arianna_26


    slum dog wrote: »
    believe me they correct plenty

    I believe you, I just find it a bit crazy. In any other country I would think it couldn't be true but in Ireland I believe you :)


  • #21
    slum dog
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 240 ✭✭slum dog


    Leo Dowling wrote: »
    Some of the best lecturers I've come across were PhD students.


    dont all lecturers require phds?


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  • #22
    Gee Bag
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,541 ✭✭✭Gee Bag


    Arianna_26 wrote: »
    I believe you, I just find it a bit crazy. In any other country I would think it couldn't be true but in Ireland I believe you :)

    It's the same in most universities.


  • #23
    Leo Dowling
    Closed Accounts Posts: 322 ✭✭Leo Dowling


    slum dog wrote: »
    dont all lecturers require phds?

    Nope.


  • #24
    baby and crumble
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,510 ✭✭✭baby and crumble


    slum dog wrote: »
    dont all lecturers require phds?

    Nope. In fact there are Professors out there that don't have PhDs. It's not neccesary at all.


  • #25
    GLaDOS
    Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 23,257 Mod ✭✭✭✭GLaDOS


    Arianna_26 wrote: »
    Brainier doesn't make them experts on the subjects/topics that are being examined. So it's still wrong.
    They know enough for the purpose of correcting, I believe they get guidelines off the lecturer as well.

    Cake, and grief counseling, will be available at the conclusion of the test



  • #26
    Arianna_26
    Closed Accounts Posts: 304 ✭✭Arianna_26


    Gee Bag wrote: »
    It's the same in most universities.

    Then most universities are lazy.


  • #27
    Arianna_26
    Closed Accounts Posts: 304 ✭✭Arianna_26


    ScienceNerd wrote: »
    They know enough for the purpose of correcting, I believe they get guidelines off the lecturer as well.

    Still sounds like the lecturer is trying to lessen his/her workload to me.


  • #28
    baby and crumble
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,510 ✭✭✭baby and crumble


    Arianna_26 wrote: »
    Then most universities are lazy.

    Do you know how many classes the average lecturer teaches? With how many students in each class? If that one lecturer had to correct every single essay they'd never be able to teach.

    It also serves the function of giving the PhD students experience in teaching and correcting papers.

    It's called delegation and experience.


  • #29
    Giselle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,540 ✭✭✭Giselle


    jokettle wrote: »
    Often it's part of their contract; I've had to teach tutorials and mark papers because it's in my contract. I'm definitely not the only PhD student who does this.

    No, you're not, and I've never had any complaints about my marking.


  • #30
    Gee Bag
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,541 ✭✭✭Gee Bag


    Arianna_26 wrote: »
    Then most universities are lazy.

    What a fantastic point!


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  • #31
    Arianna_26
    Closed Accounts Posts: 304 ✭✭Arianna_26


    baby and crumble wrote: »
    Do you know how many classes the average lecturer teaches? With how many students in each class? If that one lecturer had to correct every single essay they'd never be able to teach.

    It also serves the function of giving the PhD students experience in teaching and correcting papers.

    It's called delegation and experience.

    It's called laziness based on what lecturers are paid.


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