If this was my daughter, I'd be proud of her!

Overheal · 05-01-2012 03:42PM

Stiffler2 wrote: »

"His accomplice, Stewart, told police he fled after he heard the gunshot and later was later driven to the police station by his parents, Newson6.com reports.
He’s being held in Grady County jail on felony murder charges and will be arraigned later today, NewsOK.com reports"

Am I missing something in the article?
Why is he being charged for murder and not burglary ?

Biggins wrote: »

Maybe he's wanted for other more terrible previous crimes?
...And if so, might indicate the two guys CERTAINLY were not just going to treat the young girl and baby too nicely?

prosecutors have charged Martin's alleged accomplice, Dustin Louis Stewart, 29.Stewart, who called 911 shortly after the home invasion, told a dispatcher he fled the scene when Martin made his way into a Blanchard home, reports CBS affiliate KWTV.
"My name is Dusty Stewart and I think it was my friend that got shot."
Stewart reportedly told the dispatcher, "I don't know what he was trying to do. I stood at the fence and told him to come on and I don't know what he did."
Stewart was charged with first-degree murder.
"When you're engaged in a crime such as first-degree burglary and a death results from the events of that crime, you're subject to prosecution for it," Walters said.
Stewart was arraigned Wednesday and was being held in the Grady County jail. A bond hearing was set for Thursday.
According to court documents, Martin and Stewart might have been looking for prescription drugs. McKinley said it took the men about 20 minutes to get through her door, which she had barricaded with a couch.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57352784-504083/okla-mom-sarah-mckinley-wont-face-charges-for-shooting-intruder/

If they were looking for just drugs seems strange of them to go in when she was there. Unless, she was quiet enough that they didn't even realize it. Would seem odd though.

Biggins · 05-01-2012 03:46PM

Overheal wrote: »

...If they were looking for just drugs seems strange of them to go in when she was there. Unless, she was quiet enough that they didn't even realize it. Would seem odd though.

If as it turns out, they had killed off her dogs in preparation for breaking in, it sure indicates that they knew her - her possible routine and from studying the whole situation, about her baby.
They surely would have know then more so when she would be in or not.

They had planned in advance - even if it was just by arming themselves with a weapon.
The prescription pills story? I don't swallow it.

CodeMonkey · 05-01-2012 03:49PM

DISPATCHER: Okay. Alright. Do you have like an alarm on your car that you can set off with your remote control that might scare him and get him away?

I don't blame the mother for shooting after one of them entered the house but the dispatcher could've suggested a warning shot with the pistol or the shotgun to scare them off. Seems excessive.

Stiffler2 · 05-01-2012 03:51PM

Overheal wrote: »

prosecutors have charged Martin's alleged accomplice, Dustin Louis Stewart, 29.Stewart, who called 911 shortly after the home invasion, told a dispatcher he fled the scene when Martin made his way into a Blanchard home, reports CBS affiliate KWTV.
"My name is Dusty Stewart and I think it was my friend that got shot."
Stewart reportedly told the dispatcher, "I don't know what he was trying to do. I stood at the fence and told him to come on and I don't know what he did."
Stewart was charged with first-degree murder.
"When you're engaged in a crime such as first-degree burglary and a death results from the events of that crime, you're subject to prosecution for it," Walters said.
Stewart was arraigned Wednesday and was being held in the Grady County jail. A bond hearing was set for Thursday.
According to court documents, Martin and Stewart might have been looking for prescription drugs. McKinley said it took the men about 20 minutes to get through her door, which she had barricaded with a couch.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57352784-504083/okla-mom-sarah-mckinley-wont-face-charges-for-shooting-intruder/

If they were looking for just drugs seems strange of them to go in when she was there. Unless, she was quiet enough that they didn't even realize it. Would seem odd though.

Wow - not sticking up for them or anything but that justice seems a little too hard to me. For a murder sentance in the states he will face life in jail more than likely and for what ?

For standing at the back door, he didn't even get into the house and certainly didn't kill anyone.

That's a bit harsh. granted IF they had have broken in could have killed her but the justice system usually either doesn't or shouldn't work under the "What If" statement

Fromthetrees · 05-01-2012 03:52PM

http://www.herald.ie/multimedia/archive/00187/2306_nally_h_187635t.jpg

CodeMonkey · 05-01-2012 03:54PM

Stiffler2 wrote: »

Wow - not sticking up for them or anything but that justice seems a little too hard to me. For a murder sentance in the states he will face life in jail more than likely and for what ?

For standing at the back door, he didn't even get into the house and certainly didn't kill anyone.

That's a bit harsh. granted IF they had have broken in could have killed her but the justice system usually either doesn't or shouldn't work under the "What If" statement

People going nuts because it involved a young mother and a new born. They're making the other guy pay and completely over looking the fact that she killed someone who could've been scared off with warning shots before they broke in.

44leto · 05-01-2012 03:55PM

Stiffler2 wrote: »

Wow - not sticking up for them or anything but that justice seems a little too hard to me. For a murder sentance in the states he will face life in jail more than likely and for what ?

For standing at the back door, he didn't even get into the house and certainly didn't kill anyone.

That's a bit harsh. granted IF they had have broken in could have killed her but the justice system usually either doesn't or shouldn't work under the "What If" statement

How about self defence. You are allowed to defend yourself.

Biggins · 05-01-2012 03:55PM

CodeMonkey wrote: »

I don't blame the mother for shooting after one of them entered the house but the dispatcher could've suggested a warning shot with the pistol or the shotgun to scare them off. Seems excessive.

Maybe she hadn't enough shells to spare a warning shot?

Maybe in the time he got from the door to getting his hands around her throat, she wouldn't have time to fire, put down baby with bottle, put down phone, open up gun, reload it, raise it calmly and fire again?

Just a quick thought!

Excessive my arse!

CodeMonkey · 05-01-2012 03:58PM

Biggins wrote: »

Maybe she hadn't enough shells to spare a warning shot?

Maybe in the time he got from the door to getting his hands around her throat, she wouldn't have time to fire, put down baby with bottle, put down phone, open up gun, reload it, raise it calmly and fire again?

Just a quick thought!

Excessive my arse!

You're just making excuses for her cause you are on her side. She had a shotgun AND a pistol and 21 mins with the dispatcher. And I did say warning shots when they are outside when the dispatcher suggested car alarm to scare them off.

ScumLord · 05-01-2012 03:59PM

Stiffler2 wrote: »

For standing at the back door, he didn't even get into the house and certainly didn't kill anyone.

Because he didn't get the chance too, not that he didn't intend too. If she wasn't armed it could have been a completely different story.

woodoo · 05-01-2012 04:00PM

hooradiation wrote: »

Unless his knife had the ability to fly and attack on it's own I think she'd have been just fine. Basically, the only scenario in which what took place was the only possible recourse involves magic weapons is what I'm saying here..

You're watching too many movies where a perfect shot is always dispatched and he falls to the ground clutching his leg? Shooting him in the leg may not have been enough to stop him reaching another few metres towards her. Why take the risk just to preserve his life??

God damn it if it was legal in Ireland to kill people stealing oil. I'd have a gun trained on the tank permanently... Yeee haaa!!

hondasam · 05-01-2012 04:00PM

I think she was protecting herself from the intruders, she probably knew them.
I can't imagine they were going to harm the baby. I'm not sure if I agree with shooting someone dead.

44leto · 05-01-2012 04:02PM

CodeMonkey wrote: »

You're just making excuses for her cause you are on her side. She had a shotgun AND a pistol and 21 mins with the dispatcher. And I did say warning shots when they are outside when the dispatcher suggested car alarm to scare them off.

You are right she should have rang her horoscope or someone who does tarot cards and found out first HAD he OR his accomplish got a gun.

She is 18 alone, vulnerable and going by the picture rather attractive, the scumbags intentions could have been burglary or rape.

She was right in what she did.

Biggins · 05-01-2012 04:03PM

CodeMonkey wrote: »

You're just making excuses for her cause you are on her side. She had a shotgun AND a pistol and 21 mins with the dispatcher. And I did say warning shots when they are outside when the dispatcher suggested car alarm to scare them off.

The man was attacking her home for 21 minutes ALSO.
Do you seriously think a warning shot was going to deter that type of person, whom we can assume, might have done this type of thing before?
...A person that by his stalking alone, greatly knew what exactly was in the home?

Warning shot my backside.
We are talking about a trapped, scared 18 year, alone with a baby and there is men at her door breaking in!
...And you want to see niceties being carried out? Where was their niceties for fcuks sake!

Jeasus, some people are unreal!

P.S.

Firing a warning shot means:

1. Short version - Having to go outside - that means indicating she was at home with her baby, leaving both vulnerable by opening a fairly secure entrance/exit.
* As the second man was breaking in from behind ALSO, she would have had to possibly put down her baby too inside, leaving it alone while she herself going out the front (scared out of her wits!) to fire this marvellous warning shot - where she might be further jumped upon from any side!

or

2. INSIDE - Firing a guns at what exactly? The walls? The roof?
Walls? Hit the wiring - start a possible fire?
The roof? Might bring part of it down?

Daftness!

Overheal · 05-01-2012 04:04PM

Stiffler2 wrote: »

Wow - not sticking up for them or anything but that justice seems a little too hard to me. For a murder sentance in the states he will face life in jail more than likely and for what ?

For standing at the back door, he didn't even get into the house and certainly didn't kill anyone.

That's a bit harsh. granted IF they had have broken in could have killed her but the justice system usually either doesn't or shouldn't work under the "What If" statement

Subject to prosecution. Meaning they require the circumstances to be judged in court. It doesn't mean he will actually face first degree murder charges.

EL_Loco · 05-01-2012 04:05PM

If robbery was the aim then wait til she's gone out.
Why call in the night before?
Why the knife?
Why 2 people?
Why kill the dogs?
Why attempt to get in for 21 minutes?

These boys were up to more than breaking and entering, it wasn't a crime of opportunity, it was calculated with more than likely murderous intent, preying on a young widow with a child in the house.

So thinking she's the cold one because she was asking when it was ok to shoot? maybe she didn't want the child to end up in state care, was making sure if she had to defend herself she was doing it "correctly".

Brave and smart if you ask me.

hondasam · 05-01-2012 04:06PM

Take away some of the drama from the story, young widow, small baby, alone in the house. What type of person shoots someone.
If the same thing happens in six months will she still get as much sympathy?

CodeMonkey · 05-01-2012 04:07PM

Biggins wrote: »

The man was attacking her home for 21 minutes ALSO.
Do you seriously think a warning shot was going to deter that type of person, whom we can assume, might have done this type of thing before?

I guess that's why the other guy charged in after instead of running.

Warning shot my backside.
We are talking about a trapped, scared 18 year, alone with a baby and there is men at her door breaking in!
...And you want to see niceties being carried out? Where was their niceties for fcuks sake!

Jeasus, some people are unreal!

Again, I don't really care that she fired after the guy broke in. She probably was scared. I am commenting on the fact that the dispatcher did not suggest warning shots after suggesting the use of a car alarm.

Jesus christ. Some people's attitude are unreal when a baby is involved.

Overheal · 05-01-2012 04:08PM

hondasam wrote: »

Take away some of the drama from the story, young widow, small baby, alone in the house. What type of person shoots someone.

The kind of person who is a young widow, alone in a house, with their small baby.

Sorry but it happened like that.

I am commenting on the fact that the dispatcher did not suggest warning shots after suggesting the use of a car alarm.

Might have been against their rules to suggest so. Just as the dispatcher could not say to shoot them or not.

ScumLord · 05-01-2012 04:09PM

hondasam wrote: »

I think she was protecting herself from the intruders, she probably knew them.
I can't imagine they were going to harm the baby. I'm not sure if I agree with shooting someone dead.

If they killed the mother and left the baby would be harmed through neglect. I doubt they would have informed anybody that they'd just killed a mother and the baby needs attention.

As far as I'm concerned the intruders have only themselves to blame. If they weren't trying to break into a house containing a mother and child he wouldn't be dead. If they had tried to break into a grizzly bears den we wouldn't be at all surprised that they ended up dead we'd just say "well that was stupid of them, what did they think would happen?" Grizzly bears and a mother are almost exactly the same thing.

You can't come between a mother and child no matter what species they are, it's just going to end up with someone getting seriously hurt.

CodeMonkey · 05-01-2012 04:09PM

Biggins wrote: »

1. Short version- Having to go outside - that means indicating she was at home with her baby, leaving both vulnerable by opening a fairly secure entrance/exit.

or

2. INSIDE - Firing a guns at what exactly? The walls? The roof?
Walls? Hit the wiring - start a possible fire?
The roof? Might bring part of it down?

Daftness!

I don't know. The door they were banging on. Wow, you always this insulting when someone don't agree with you? Daft my arse. Won't reply back, you seem way too emotional to discuss things rationally. Wouldn't want to be shot like that other dude cause the lady was emotionally stressed.

Biggins · 05-01-2012 04:11PM

hondasam wrote: »

Take away some of the drama from the story, young widow, small baby, alone in the house. What type of person shoots someone.

A scared one for her life?

CodeMonkey wrote: »

...I am commenting on the fact that the dispatcher did not suggest warning shots after suggesting the use of a car alarm.

Jesus christ. Some people's attitude are unreal when a baby is involved.

Maybe in the long phone call that we DO NOT fully know about, it was ascertained that firing a warning shot would not have been the best thing to do?
...And it wasn't JUST about the baby, it was a young girl fearing for her life - knowing a man that was previously staking her - was outside.

Overheal · 05-01-2012 04:12PM

Dramatized re-enactment

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBoP2l7VBeo

Oddly, nobody bitched in the reviews of Kill Bill why he didn't give her any warning.

44leto · 05-01-2012 04:13PM

CodeMonkey wrote: »

I guess that's why the other guy charged in after instead of running.

Again, I don't really care that she fired after the guy broke in. She probably was scared. I am commenting on the fact that the dispatcher did not suggest warning shots after suggesting the use of a car alarm.

Jesus christ. Some people's attitude are unreal when a baby is involved.

Its called being human.

Human's get very primal when it concerns their children, you may find that out someday.

Sir Gallagher · 05-01-2012 04:14PM

CodeMonkey wrote: »

Biggins wrote: »

1. Short version- Having to go outside - that means indicating she was at home with her baby, leaving both vulnerable by opening a fairly secure entrance/exit.

or

2. INSIDE - Firing a guns at what exactly? The walls? The roof?
Walls? Hit the wiring - start a possible fire?
The roof? Might bring part of it down?

Daftness!

I don't know. The door they were banging on. Wow, you always this insulting when someone don't agree with you? Daft my arse. Won't reply back, you seem way too emotional to discuss things rationally. Wouldn't want to be shot like that other dude cause the lady was emotionally stressed.

Don't break into somebody's gaff so.

Biggins · 05-01-2012 04:14PM

CodeMonkey wrote: »

I don't know. The door they were banging on. Wow, you always this insulting when someone don't agree with you? Daft my arse. Won't reply back, you seem way too emotional to discuss things rationally. Wouldn't want to be shot like that other dude cause the lady was emotionally stressed.

Ok... fire at the door!
He was on the outside at that point? Legal shooting?
What if she had killed him by her firing a warning shot though the door - while he was there - on the outside?

She would have been possibly facing even by an accidental shooting, a charge of second degree manslaughter - at the very least!

Seems she and the dispatcher was using their heads more than your using yours right now.

ScumLord · 05-01-2012 04:15PM

CodeMonkey wrote: »

I don't know. The door they were banging on. Wow, you always this insulting when someone don't agree with you? Daft my arse. Won't reply back, you seem way too emotional to discuss things rationally. Wouldn't want to be shot like that other dude cause the lady was emotionally stressed.

There's no need for a warning shot, there's already a law that says you can't break into other peoples houses, if she gave him a warning it was too much, what's to stop him coming back another time while she's asleep?

He kicked in the door after 20 minutes of trying we should all be so lucky to have a shotgun on hand to protect ourselves from scum like that.

Overheal · 05-01-2012 04:15PM

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

Don't break into somebody's gaff so.

And kill their dogs. And plan stupid **** like this.

CodeMonkey · 05-01-2012 04:15PM

Biggins wrote: »

...And it wasn't JUST about the baby, it was a young girl fearing for her life - knowing a man that was previously staking her - was outside.

Oh bollocks. You're just making excuses cause you are on her side. She had no clue who it was.

Det. Huff told KFOR-TV that he and his fellow detectives believe the home invasion to have been ‘premeditated.’
The attack, as new reports reveal, may have been premeditated. Ms McKinley’s mother told Newson6.com that Martin stalked her daughter at a rodeo two years ago.
The two have since bumped into each other at a nearby convenience store. Ms McKinley said she didn’t know who he was until after the shooting, when she pieced everything together.

CodeMonkey · 05-01-2012 04:16PM

Biggins wrote: »

Seems she was using her head more than your using yours right now.

Seems your not cause she can do no wrong or anything different. She was right, guy had to die. I really am out of here.

If this was my daughter, I'd be proud of her!

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