(UK) Stephen Lawrence murder - Dobson & Norris Guilty

brummytom wrote: »

How is that likely at all? Do you really think forensic scientists are that incompetent? Would the defence not have mentioned that?

There is evidence they killed Lawrence. There is absolutely none he was in a gang. Give up.


Reading your posts, I couldn't be any less proud to be British.

I'm sure I remember reading in a thread that you identified as Irish, not more than a week ago? Not really relevant to Stephen Lawrence really, but I'm sure Arianna can make it so as she did one of my posts earlier.

bwatson wrote: »

I have no close black friends in London or (less surprisingly) Ballymena. What is the point of your question btw? Does such an answer make me a racist now?

You said in an earlier post that Black people are very racist towards White people!

When you were probed to provide evidence to support your comment, you said that it is as a result of personal experience and experience of 'others'- you even indicated that the average Irish poster is tolerant because Ireland does not have a similar black population relative to the UK.

Can you explain what you meant?

bwatson wrote: »

I'm sure I remember reading in a thread that you identified as Irish, not more than a week ago? Not really relevant to Stephen Lawrence really, but I'm sure Arianna can make it so as she did one of my posts earlier.

I've never called myself Irish, ever. I recently had a thread (over a week ago, though) asking what it meant to be a 'Plastic Paddy' though, if that's what you're referring to?

I don't really see how that's relevant in any way, to anything though?

KINGVictor wrote: »

You said in an earlier post that Black people are very racist towards White people!

When you were probed to provide evidence to support your comment, you said that it is as a result of personal experience and experience of 'others'- you even indicated that the average Irish poster is tolerant because Ireland does not have a similar black population relative to the UK.

Can you explain what you meant?

There is very much a difference between classing someone as a friend and someone as an associate, fellow student, neighbour, co-worker and so on. Are you trying to suggest that because I would not class anyone who is black as being a "close friend" I am in fact totally ignorant of any social or cultural issues which may exist in London?

bwatson wrote: »

There is very much a difference between classing someone as a friend and someone as an associate, fellow student, neighbour, co-worker and so on. Are you trying to suggest that because I would not class anyone who is black as being a "close friend" I am in fact totally ignorant of any social or cultural issues which may exist in London?

Did you read my post or you are just purposely evading my questions? I am asking you to clarify your comments.

I don't care if you have black friends or not, that is your prerogative and no one can fault you for that.

However, to reiterate, you said that Blacks are very racist towards White people from your experience ( and the experience of 'others').... you further stated that the average Irish poster here would support black people because Ireland does not have a black population relative to the UK.

I dont understand that- can you kindly explain what you meant?

mackg wrote: »

Tbf to you apart from this coming off as a really racist post (however you may have meant it) you are nowhere near as bad as the other guy and tbh I was getting the 2 of ye mixed up. What exactly do you have to say about this particular topic? All I've gotten from your posts is that black people are racist and the subsequent defence of this statement.

So it is racist now to say that black people are by far the most intollerant section of British society that I have come across? I have formed this opinion from my own experiences and as I have said, the experiences of my peers. Of course I do not think that all blacks are racist and that all blacks are in gangs, however I cannot say that my opinions have not been forged through experience. Before moving to London for the first time, less than three years ago, I would probably have had no opinion or input in this thread whatsoever.

I would feel safer walking through some parts of Derry with my face painted orange than I would some areas in London, less than 10 minutes away from where many people I know live.

bwatson wrote: »

By others, I generally mean people who are not me.

I was expecting more explanation than that tbh.

I am not too sure but I assume you said you are in University where the importance of facts and empirical evidence must have been taught. You have not explicated these personal experiences and as you know in a debate of this manner, anecdotal evidence is basically unreliable- because anyone here can come up with them.

So can you explain why you think Blacks are 'very racists' towards White people from your own experience. Also can you explain why you think the 'average Irish poster' would support Blacks because they do not have a relative population of blacks in Ireland compared to the Uk.

bwatson wrote: »

So it is racist now to say that black people are by far the most intollerant section of British society that I have come across? I have formed this opinion from my own experiences and as I have said, the experiences of my peers. Of course I do not think that all blacks are racist and that all blacks are in gangs, however I cannot say that my opinions have not been forged through experience. Before moving to London for the first time, less than three years ago, I would probably have had no opinion or input in this thread whatsoever.

I would feel safer walking through some parts of Derry with my face painted orange than I would some areas in London, less than 10 minutes away from where many people I know live.

Yeah ok, I said your post came across as racist even allowing that you may have not meant it that way, what I'm asking is what does some black people in your experience being intolerant have to do with the conviction of these two lads for this murder, if you have explained already simply link the post.

KINGVictor wrote: »

I was expecting more explanation than that tbh.

I am not too sure but I assume you said you are in University where the importance of facts and empirical evidence must have been taught. You have not explicated these personal experiences and as you know in a debate of this manner, anecdotal evidence is basically unreliable- because anyone here can come up with them.

So can you explain why you think Blacks are 'very racists' towards White people from your own experience. Also can you explain why you think the 'average Irish poster' would support Blacks because they do not have a relative population of blacks in Ireland compared to the Uk.

The word support is not one which I remember using in truth. I think however that there is some amount of truth in the statement I made of British and Irish views towards crime by and between different ethnic groups as being very different.

Personal experiences would include witnessing young women on night buses verbally abused and harrassed (including the use of phrases such as "white girl" suggesting very much a racial motive) by black youths. Are they truly racist or just acting in a way which would actually heighten their associates' opinions of them? I can't say for sure.

Additionally, I have been unfortunate enough to have been on the wrong end of an attempted mugging (not that there is a right end) by black youths who couldnt have been more than 14 or 15 years of age. The use of the word "white" and "english" (which deeply offended) me, by said youths would also suggest I was targetted due to the colour of my skin.
I'm not sure they were expecting anything other than complete compliance to their demands, however I think they were expecting to confront a young student from the home counties and not an Ulsterman who has grown up understanding that it is only right to stand up for yourself (silly of me I know, as they could very well have been armed).

To give some kind of balance I am aware of certain areas where white people cannot drive for fear of having stones thrown at their cars by asian youths. And of course in my own country bigotry and intolerance by whites towards whites are things that I completely understand exist. I am in no way suggesting that only blacks are racist, or only whites can be victims of racist abuse.

From a more holistic viewpoint, statistics released by the British Crime Survey (on the home office website) and subsequently highlighted by the BBC and some newspapers suggest that there are more racially motivated attacks carried out by non whites than by whites. It is quite a remarkable fact when you consider that whites still make up around 90% of all people in the UK, regardless of nationality.

sausagehead wrote: »

Batsy got banned for expressing his belief in this case and its the belief of a lot of people in England

No it's not. Batsy is a disgusting racist.

i would believe someone from england who has a greater understanding of this stuff, than some paddy watching the bbc or sky.

I'm from England. I don't know anyone who believes these men to be innocent. Not that that would matter anyway, they've still been found guilty.

This whole thread is a joke, there's no discussion to be had. There was no suggestion the victim was in a gang, until the OP assumed so based on his race.

Lot of re-regs and low post newcomers on threads like this, never changes.

sausagehead wrote: »

Miscarriages happen!
remember Birmingham six, Guildford four, most people thought they were guilty at the time! because the media told us so!

Somehow I don't think the likes of Batsy were cheerleading those cases :pac: