(UK) Stephen Lawrence murder - Dobson & Norris Guilty

tigger123 · 04-01-2012 07:35PM

bwatson wrote: »

Experience.

The experience of others, also.

Ah c'mon now, share with the group! Don't be getting all coy now!

bwatson · 04-01-2012 07:35PM

Arianna_26 wrote: »

So what you are saying is that the only reason any Irish people have sympathy for an innocent man like Stephen Lawrence is because we don't have to deal with black communities here? Wow.

wow? Sorry, I feel unable to further communicate with a person who uses the phrase "wow" in a post. You were obviously not suddenly overwhelmed with shock as you were able to type a perfectly coherant reply. Your dramatics are embarrassing. You can now consider yourself on my ignore list.

BabeeB · 04-01-2012 07:36PM

they should be in jail

ItsAWindUp · 04-01-2012 07:37PM

bwatson wrote: »

wow? Sorry, I feel unable to further communicate with a person who uses the phrase "wow" in a post. You were obviously not suddenly overwhelmed with shock as you were able to type a perfectly coherant reply. Your dramatics are embarrassing. You can now consider yourself on my ignore list.

The retort of somebody who knows he has lost the debate and is therefore unwilling to further argue his point

bwatson · 04-01-2012 07:38PM

ItsAWindUp wrote: »

The retort of somebody who knows he has lost the debate and is therefore unwilling to further argue his point

I am not debating anything, there is nothing to debate.

The attitudes towards black communities in the Republic and in Britain differ vastly. This is an obvious reality. What do you want to debate?

Guy:Incognito · 04-01-2012 07:38PM

bwatson wrote: »

Experience.

The experience of others, also.

As a matter of interest how come the members of this gang Stephen Lawrence was in never retalliated?

ItsAWindUp · 04-01-2012 07:40PM

bwatson wrote: »

I am not debating anything, there is nothing to debate.

The attitudes towards black communities in the Republic and in Britain differ vastly. This is an obvious reality. What do you want to debate?

Arianna_26 made a valid point and posed a question towards you, which you are refusing to answer

bwatson · 04-01-2012 07:40PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

As a matter of interest how come the members of this gang Stephen Lawrence was in never retalliated?

I suggest you go back and read the last few pages. I have not suggested that Lawrence was a gang member nor the victim of a gang related attack. I am not so sure why you are directing the question at me.

tigger123 · 04-01-2012 07:41PM

bwatson wrote: »

I am not debating anything, there is nothing to debate.

The attitudes towards black communities in the Republic and in Britain differ vastly. This is an obvious reality. What do you want to debate?

You said this was down to your "experience", "and the experience of others", I think people just want to know what you meant by this.

Arianna_26 · 04-01-2012 07:43PM

bwatson wrote: »

wow? Sorry, I feel unable to further communicate with a person who uses the phrase "wow" in a post. You were obviously not suddenly overwhelmed with shock as you were able to type a perfectly coherant reply. Your dramatics are embarrassing. You can now consider yourself on my ignore list.

Yeah, wow, I don't usually throw that word about but your comments were just so incredibly ignorant they brought it out of me.

bwatson · 04-01-2012 07:43PM

ItsAWindUp wrote: »

Arianna_26 made a valid point and posed a question towards you, which you are refusing to answer

I am not refusing to answer anything.

The question posed by the poster was something I had neither questioned nor disputed.

A Dub in Glasgo · 04-01-2012 07:44PM

They are certainly crawling from under the rocks today

bwatson · 04-01-2012 07:49PM

tigger123 wrote: »

You said this was down to your "experience", "and the experience of others", I think people just want to know what you meant by this.

I study in London, I have lived in term time for the past year and a half in an area where tensions between races, youths, gangs, nationalities and so on often come to the fore. Therefore I, and many people I know who also live in very "multicultural" and student areas, would be able to give our opinions on such issues.

Not that you were actually interested in any way, you just do not agree with my opinion, do not agree with me, would not care for my view and simply want to be able to make a post along the lines of:

"thought not...no answer!".

I have, however given an answer as to how I can make such a statement.

Ellis Dee · 04-01-2012 07:50PM

Marissa Rotten Curler wrote: »

Well the Lawrence family have their pound of flesh, I hope they're happy and leave it be now.

I have never gained the impression that the Lawrence family wanted flesh, or blood or anything other than to see the cowardly racist vermin who murdered their son in cold blood brought to justice and imprisoned.:rolleyes:

That has now happened to two of the thugs, but - as the trial judge said and the dogs in the street know - three and possibly four of the murderous swine are still at large.:)

I'd be surprised if the Lawrence family were happy to leave that situation be. Would you be if it was your son who had been murdered purely because of his skin colour?

Queen-Mise · 04-01-2012 07:51PM

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Here is the (in)famous Daily Mail front page from 1997

The middle guy in that picture looks REALLY like a younger Keanu Reeves.

I was living in England when this happened, it was vicious killing. It was so frustrating at the time everyone knew it was them that had killed Stephen Lawrence but not enough to get them convicted. Am delighted that they have eventually been brought to justice. They were nasty b*stards. It's good that modern science has been able to convict them.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if it is true about the detective taking the bribe during the case. The drug-dealing father (not sure which one) of them must be a right nasty piece of work if he could influence the witnesses so much.

Dudess · 04-01-2012 07:52PM

bwatson wrote: »

Dudess wrote: »

Well you WOULD be of the opinion that they shouldn't be convicted - simply because he was black. I'm absolutely certain that's why, going by your vile previous posts.

The average Irish person will be far more sympathetic towards black people because there are far fewer, far smaller black communities in the Republic at the moment. Generally, blacks are by far the most viciously racist section of British society, not just to whites, but mainly to whites.

Of course racism exists in all peoples in Britain, but most will not accept that it is anyone but the native whites who are the perpetrators of such crimes.

How is that relevant to what I said? Batsy is a racist to the point of sticking up for those thugs. The fact there are racist blacks in Britain doesn't make that any less reprehensible. People who pretend there's a lack of recognition of racism by non whites are always bigots too, longing for justification of dislike of non whites.
To use your argument, bet if he was white and the thugs black, you'd be calling for the latters' heads.

Ellis Dee · 04-01-2012 07:55PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

As a matter of interest how come the members of this gang Stephen Lawrence was in never retalliated?

I have been following media coverage of this murder since it happened and do not recall ever having read that Mr. Lawrence was involved with gangs. I feel you should either furnish proof in support of your implicit assertion or withdraw it.:rolleyes:

Those scumbags deprived him of his promising life; you should not deprive him of his good character.:mad:

Dudess · 04-01-2012 07:56PM

bwatson wrote: »

Arianna_26 wrote: »

So what you are saying is that the only reason any Irish people have sympathy for an innocent man like Stephen Lawrence is because we don't have to deal with black communities here? Wow.

wow? Sorry, I feel unable to further communicate with a person who uses the phrase "wow" in a post. You were obviously not suddenly overwhelmed with shock as you were able to type a perfectly coherant reply. Your dramatics are embarrassing. You can now consider yourself on my ignore list.

Her point was spot-on - just because you can't respond, no need for the pathetic latching on to "wow". The fact you have her on ignore now over something so trivial and because you can't defend yourself... is very telling.

ItsAWindUp · 04-01-2012 07:58PM

Ellis Dee wrote: »

I have been following media coverage of this murder since it happened and do not recall ever having read that Mr. Lawrence was involved with gangs. I feel you should either furnish proof in support of your implicit assertion or withdraw it.:rolleyes:

Those scumbags deprived him of his promising life; you should not deprive him of his good character.:mad:

You've got the wrong end of the stick I think. He was simply replying to some racist nit who said that he was in a gang.

bwatson · 04-01-2012 08:01PM

Dudess wrote: »

Her point was spot-on - just because you can't respond, no need for the pathetic latching on to "wow". The fact you have her on ignore now over something so trivial and because you can't defend yourself... is very telling.

No it was not, in any way, spot on. In a sense you have already conceded this yourself in asking of the relevance of my post.

I made no reference to the sympathetic views people may or may not have towards Stephen Lawrence's family. Her point was far more irrelevant as a reply to my post than any reply I earlier posted to you was. Her "wow" was in truth the final straw.

Dudess · 04-01-2012 08:01PM

bwatson wrote: »

tigger123 wrote: »

You said this was down to your "experience", "and the experience of others", I think people just want to know what you meant by this.

I study in London, I have lived in term time for the past year and a half in an area where tensions between races, youths, gangs, nationalities and so on often come to the fore. Therefore I, and many people I know who also live in very "multicultural" and student areas, would be able to give our opinions on such issues.

Not that you were actually interested in any way, you just do not agree with my opinion, do not agree with me, would not care for my view and simply want to be able to make a post along the lines of:

"thought not...no answer!".

I have, however given an answer as to how I can make such a statement.

Nobody said there wasn't racial tension in London or black gangs.
The only reason I can think why you'd throw that one out is to somewhat justify the killing.
A few people on this site resent the attention given to this case simply because the deceased was black - and they view it as special treatment due to political correctness and lament that a white man wouldn't get as much attention, they assume. Sick racist venom.

bwatson · 04-01-2012 08:03PM

ItsAWindUp wrote: »

You've got the wrong end of the stick I think. He was simply replying to some racist nit who said that he was in a gang.

I suggest you ammend your post immediately. His response was to me.

I am neither a racist nor someone who has suggested in any way that the incident was gang related.

Your post is lazy, and wholy inaccurate. You are the one who has got the wrong end of the stick.

Dudess · 04-01-2012 08:03PM

bwatson wrote: »

Dudess wrote: »

Her point was spot-on - just because you can't respond, no need for the pathetic latching on to "wow". The fact you have her on ignore now over something so trivial and because you can't defend yourself... is very telling.

No it was not, in any way, spot on. In a sense you have already conceded this yourself in asking of the relevance of my post.

I made no reference to the sympathetic views people may or may not have towards Stephen Lawrence's family. Her point was far more irrelevant as a reply to my post than any reply I earlier posted to you was. Her "wow" was in truth the final straw.

Why did you say it so? And take a look at yourself if someone writing a short post with wow in it is enough for you to put them on ignore.

Batsy · 04-01-2012 08:06PM

Queen-Mise wrote: »

everyone knew it was them that had killed Stephen Lawrence

No, they didn't.

but not enough to get them convicted.

The reason why there was not enough evidence was because they didn't do it.

Am delighted that they have eventually been brought to justice. They were nasty b*stards. It's good that modern science has been able to convict them.

"Modern science" has convicted many people over the years who were eventually released because further evidence emerged which showed that it couldn't have been then who did it (such as in the Sion Jenkins case).

Dudess · 04-01-2012 08:07PM

Being sympathetic to his family is not in any way being sympathetic to black people in violent gangs. Shockingly low to link him to a gang simply because he's black.

Why does Boards draw right-wing haters of everyone including the Irish? Miserable sad lives so they have to goad...

ItsAWindUp · 04-01-2012 08:07PM

bwatson wrote: »

I suggest you ammend your post immediately. His response was to me.

I am neither a racist nor someone who has suggested in any way that the incident was gang related.

Your post is lazy, and wholy inaccurate. You are the one who has got the wrong end of the stick.

I wasn't referring to you.

Dudess · 04-01-2012 08:08PM

Batsy wrote: »

Queen-Mise wrote: »

everyone knew it was them that had killed Stephen Lawrence

No, they didn't.

but not enough to get them convicted.

The reason why there was not enough evidence was because they didn't do it.

Am delighted that they have eventually been brought to justice. They were nasty b*stards. It's good that modern science has been able to convict them.

"Modern science" has convicted many people over the years who were eventually released because further evidence emerged which showed that it couldn't have been then who did it (such as in the Sion Jenkins case).

Why are you so sure they didn't do it? Because you want them to have not done it?

ItsAWindUp · 04-01-2012 08:09PM

Dudess wrote: »

Why are you so sure they didn't do it? Because you want them to have not done it?

Because he wants to retain his moronic and racist delusions

bwatson · 04-01-2012 08:09PM

ItsAWindUp wrote: »

I wasn't referring to you.

OK, well in this case I apologize.

Batsy · 04-01-2012 08:09PM

Dudess wrote: »

Batsy is a racist to the point of sticking up for those thugs.

Sticking up for two men who I - and many others - believe have been jailed for something they didn't do is not being "racist."

To use your argument, bet if he was white and the thugs black, you'd be calling for the latters' heads.

If Lawrence was white and the people who killed him were black we probably would have never even heard of the killing. The media would most likely have not even reported on it. The only reason it's got such a high profile is because he was black.

(UK) Stephen Lawrence murder - Dobson & Norris Guilty

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