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Are Irish people fat? If so why?

  • 04-01-2012 09:52AM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,230 ✭✭✭Leftist


    Is it the bread? lack of an outdoor culture?

    It seems to be getting worse. We're more american than european in this aspect imo.

    Please discuss.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    Leftist wrote: »
    Is it the bread? lack of an outdoor culture?

    It seems to be getting worse. We're more american than european in this aspect imo.

    Please discuss.

    batch bread and clonakilty puddin.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,333 ✭✭✭✭itsallaboutheL


    Because we ingest too many calories.

    /thread


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,090 ✭✭✭livinsane


    I think our climate has alot to do with it. Damp cold weather makes you want spuds and butter and meat and gravy rather than a nice bowl of gazpacho.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,308 ✭✭✭Rowley Birkin QC


    The Irish mammy is to blame, simple as that really.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Why does the OP think they are superior to others? Thought leftists were supposed to be all about equality and inclusivity n' stuff.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Actually I would have said it seems to be getting better after 15 years of it getting steadily worse.

    It was very Celtic Tiger to have an expensive gym membership that you never used, and a cheap takeaway that you always used. Not to mention eating out twice a week and going for a rake of pints on the weekend.

    There are more people getting into sports than I've ever seen before, particularly high-cardio sports like running, football and cycling.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,884 ✭✭✭spank_inferno


    I don't think money has much to do with it.

    Generationaly we moved from subsistance food availability (thus relying on lots of starch) to having lots of the same foods where our habits have not changed yet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,230 ✭✭✭Leftist


    seamus wrote: »
    Actually I would have said it seems to be getting better after 15 years of it getting steadily worse.

    It was very Celtic Tiger to have an expensive gym membership that you never used, and a cheap takeaway that you always used. Not to mention eating out twice a week and going for a rake of pints on the weekend.

    There are more people getting into sports than I've ever seen before, particularly high-cardio sports like running, football and cycling.

    Good points well made. Although the high-cardio exercise is almost neccesary in order to keep your weight down. That is not natural imo.

    IT has to be the food and bread.

    Also just lack of regular walking.

    Everyone takes taxis. You leave a city and people start getting very round. No walking at all.


  • Posts: 53,068 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I definitely think the irish way of "eat all your dinner or you won't be allowed out to play" has played its part. The problem being that once upon a time plates weren't so full and parents weren't so afraid of actually letting their kids out to play on the street from dawn til dusk.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,328 ✭✭✭cafecolour


    Leftist wrote: »
    Is it the bread? lack of an outdoor culture?

    It seems to be getting worse. We're more american than european in this aspect imo.

    Nope, still closer to European - in fact about average for Europe.

    Now the Greeks and British, they're getting American-sized:

    www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_obe-health-obesity


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭sideswipe


    seamus wrote: »
    Actually I would have said it seems to be getting better after 15 years of it getting steadily worse.

    It was very Celtic Tiger to have an expensive gym membership that you never used, and a cheap takeaway that you always used. Not to mention eating out twice a week and going for a rake of pints on the weekend.

    There are more people getting into sports than I've ever seen before, particularly high-cardio sports like running, football and cycling.

    I think this is more a case of you getting older and wiser Seamus, a lot of people start to take care of themselves more as they get older.
    The obesity problem is more evident in younger generations who get used to eating too much unhealthy food and a younger age, coupled with lack of physical activity.

    I also blame the likes of Tesco- Buy one heap of crap, get another heap of crap free mentality!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,209 ✭✭✭CardBordWindow


    There's less Irish doing hard labour these days. During the Celtic Tiger, most tough menial tasks were given to the Polish. Have you ever seen a fat Polish person??
    The Irish got lazy.


  • Posts: 53,068 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Have you ever seen a fat Polish person??

    Yes!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,625 ✭✭✭flyswatter


    We're the second most obese country in the world at the moment.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,205 ✭✭✭Bad Panda


    Too many fry ups, too much bread, booze, takeaways and not motivated enough despite all this to exercise.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Leftist wrote: »
    Good points well made. Although the high-cardio exercise is almost neccesary in order to keep your weight down. That is not natural imo.

    IT has to be the food and bread.
    I don't know why people are singling out bread all of sudden. Bread is food like any other. The problem is that almost everything tastes awesome on bread, so we eat too much of it. But bread is fine.

    The thing about getting into exercise/sports is that you very quickly realise that your excess weight is making it twice as hard as it needs to be. So getting into a sport inevitably leads one to improve their diet too. I don't think it's so much that people are exercising to offset their excessive eating, because that doesn't really work.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,004 ✭✭✭jimthemental


    Tasty and tempting food ........................?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,746 ✭✭✭Duckworth_Luas


    Leftist wrote: »
    You leave a city and people start getting very round.
    You really are getting tedious at this stage!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,819 ✭✭✭✭g'em


    A diet rich in processed foods that are calorie heavy, nutritionally light.
    Economic constraints for families which leads to buying cheap foods with dubious nutritional value.
    A de-emphasis on exercise as cars and public transport become the norm for long-distance commuting.
    An overemphasis on sedentary socialising (communication through social media and other on-line sources).
    An increasingly over-litigious culture which has led to the restriction of children's exercise in schools for fear of injury.
    Lack of nutritional educational for parents which will, by proxy, lead to undereducated future generations.
    The social acceptance of overweight/ obese bodyforms to the point of praise and the misuse of the word 'curvy' in popular media.
    Irish drinking culture which has now become infused with late-night trips to take-aways and the much coveted post-drinking junk-food day to 'cure' a hangover.

    Take your pick really.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,138 ✭✭✭paky


    beer and takeaways


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,656 ✭✭✭norrie rugger


    The commuter mentality has a bit to do with it also.
    Somany people are not getting home, from work, at a reasonable hour.

    It is grand saying "go to the pool early in the morning" but that is not realistic, for people with kids. People used to do their exercise (be it running or team sports etc) in the evenings but if you finish work at half 5 and do not get home until 7-7:30, I imagine that it can be hard to get time to exercise while still having some downtime


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,386 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    I'd agree with Seamus. I've noted similar lately. Plus that celtic tiger restaurant twice a week nonsense piles on the pounds. Never mind the chinner dinners in a bag to your door.

    The climate doesn't help to be fair. It's rarely hot enough to sweat the fat off, or be a swim wear culture and it's rarely cold enough to sweat it all off either. We're in the "meh" zone :). The grey dampness does tend to steer people towards comfort food.

    Another thing I've noticed here, (particularly among the ladies); we talk about food a lot. Now I've hung out with French and Italian types, who would have a historical cuisine that puts us to shame and while they like their grub they don't talk about it nearly so much, or that's how it seemed to me. :confused: They also eat smaller portions.

    I do reckon there's some genetic stuff going on mind you. We're just a more stocky robust bunch in general. You see similar in somewhere like Spain, where the Basques would be more like us, yet eat the same grub (pretty much) as other Spanish groups.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,096 ✭✭✭✭the groutch


    doesnt help that the majority of offers in certain supermarkets are on junk food


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,428 ✭✭✭busyliving


    flyswatter wrote: »
    We're the second most obese country in the world at the moment.

    Proof please? Link?????


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,992 ✭✭✭DavyD_83


    Most jobs seem to involve sitting in front of a computer all day; then people drive home and sit on couch for evening. Well, that's where my problems are coming from, wouldn't go so far to say i'm fat just yet but do need to lose weight and get fit again.

    So, laziness and a sedentary lifestyle really; i used to be far more active.


    Sweeping statements to follow:
    Kids are too pampered; fed crap, left in front of TV and games consoles instead of just out n about doing their own thing. i know some parents are just protecting them from the hoards of rampaging pedos that roam our streets :rolleyes: i get the feeling that if you're properly fat as a 10 year old you're probably gonna be fat for life.

    Parents have to take some/most of the responsibility for fat kids.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 350 ✭✭ICANN


    seamus wrote: »
    I don't know why people are singling out bread all of sudden. Bread is food like any other. The problem is that almost everything tastes awesome on bread, so we eat too much of it. But bread is fine.

    True, eating a loaf of bread a day will make you fat, eating a slice of bread a day will not.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,625 ✭✭✭flyswatter


    busyliving wrote: »
    flyswatter wrote: »
    We're the second most obese country in the world at the moment.

    Proof please? Link?????
    www.thejournal.ie/readme/column-feeling-unhealthy-it-could-be-what-youre-eating/


  • Posts: 53,068 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ICANN wrote: »
    True, eating a loaf of bread a day will make you fat, eating a slice of bread a day will not.

    Yep. When you have two slices of toast with breakfast, a sandwich for lunch and maybe even some bread with dinner if you're having stew or something. It adds up pretty quickly without you even realising it. Then if you're having butter on the bread (certainly the amount of butter I like!!) you've got plenty of extra calories sneaking in there.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,096 ✭✭✭✭the groutch


    it's not necessarily the bread, it's the lashings of butter that go on it, or even worse mayonnaise.
    and even reduced fat butter/mayo still has a whole heap of fat in it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    flyswatter wrote: »
    www.thejournal.ie/readme/column-feeling-unhealthy-it-could-be-what-youre-eating/
    I'm afraid that article contains a single uncited declaration that Ireland is the second most obese nation in the world. So you can be forgiven for taking it at face value, but that wouldn't constitute "proof", especially since the article was written by someone working for a company who provides weight-related counselling and assistance.

    The last piece of "real" data we have comes from 2007, when 23% of Irish adults were obese.
    http://www.oecd.org/document/16/0,2340,en_2649_34631_2085200_1_1_1_1,00.html (that's the latest OECD data, but Ireland is only measured up to 2007)

    That doesn't put us second, but it certainly does put us in the top tier, on a par with the UK. It's also significantly above the world average of 9.8%

    It's worth noting that if you look at the WHO figures, we're relatively far down the table, 20-somethingth place. But this is only because it includes small poor island nations, some of whom have obesity rates above 70%.

    There are two things that stick out for me about the OECD table I link above:

    1. Most countries aren't making any serious effort to keep track of their nations' health. Only five countries are tracking obesity on anything approaching a regular basis.
    2. In 2007, the Irish obesity rate was measured at 23%. When asked to self-report, only 15% of people in that same year reported being overweight. Which means that about a third of people are either unaware that they're obese or in denial about it.


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