Why are most hotel workers not Irish ?

mattjack · 02-01-2012 03:17PM

gigino wrote: »

Nobody said "all the time".
I did not say he was was a sales rep. It could have been a roamantic weekend away. Or the M.D. of a large company on business. Its none of your business in any case.

You need to get out more. You will find many hotels are doing great offers now.

or a Walter Mitty type charcter

gigino · 02-01-2012 03:21PM

mattjack wrote: »

or a Walter Mitty type charcter

despite what Nodin may think, you do not have to be Walter Mitty to be Irish and have stayed in a few Irish hotels in the space of a few months.:D

Bannasidhe · 02-01-2012 03:22PM

Nodin wrote: »

So a sales rep in a small recession hit country has the budget to constantly stay in brand name hotels all the time? Fascinating.

How many hotels did he stay in, precisely?

Was it business or pleasure? What counties were they in?

I honestly don't see what the big issue is here

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My own brother enjoys touring around the country and playing golf - so frequently stays in a variety of hotels while driving around. Last summer for example he spent 2 weeks touring Mayo/Sligo/Leitrim and Donegal - stayed an average of 2 nights per hotel. Year before he did West Cork/Kerry - stayed in Rosscarbary, Schull, Kenmare, Killarney, Castleisland etc. He didn't comment on the nationality of the staff...

I myself have been known to stay in 3 different hotels in just over a week (Cork to Gweedore via Tyrells Pass and back via Clifden - hotels in Ty's Pass, Gweedore and Clifden). On a 5 day walking holiday a few years ago I stayed in hotels in Clifden, Inishbofin, and Westport plus a b&b on Inishturk. Only Westport had non-Irish staff...

mattjack · 02-01-2012 03:24PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

I honestly don't see what the big issue is here .

My own brother enjoys touring around the country and playing golf - so frequently stays in a variety of hotels while driving around. Last summer for example he spent 2 weeks touring Mayo/Sligo/Leitrim and Donegal - stayed an average of 2 nights per hotel. Year before he did West Cork/Kerry - stayed in Rosscarbary, Schull, Kenmare, Killarney, Castleisland etc. He didn't comment on the nationality of the staff...

I myself have been known to stay in 3 different hotels in just over a week (Cork to Gweedore via Tyrells Pass and back via Clifden - hotels in Ty's Pass, Gweedore and Clifden). On a 5 day walking holiday a few years ago I stayed in hotels in Clifden, Inishbofin, and Westport plus a b&b on Inishturk. Only Westport had non-Irish staff...

You're answers are honest , not vague anecdotes.

gigino · 02-01-2012 03:25PM

I stayed in a hotel myself recently after a wedding, no big deal. Good value to be got nowadays too.

K-9 · 02-01-2012 03:26PM

SWL wrote: »

Who publishes the information by town?

The CSO don’t publish the information this way, neither does the INOU (National Organisation for the unemployed). I honestly have never seen unemployment figures given on a community basis, if I need figures on anything I go straight to the CSO.

The local paper and radio have them here every month, increase or decrease based on each local exchange. I assume it's the welfare giving the information so it's surprising if the CSO don't collate the information on a county and then local office level.

Anyway, it isn't a big deal.

gigino · 02-01-2012 07:13PM

The point is , the poster who wrote "My wife is Polish. We had to move for work some years ago (my work) . My wife said she would also like to get a job. In one week she go a job in a hot. At the time the was 14 % unemployment in the town. (this was before eastern Europe joined EU.." is entirely believeable, and he made other valid points in his post, and I would not nitpick if unemployment was 13% or 14% or 15% in his town at the time.

Nodin · 02-01-2012 07:34PM

gigino wrote: »

Nobody said "all the (........) stalking.

You need to get out more. You will find many hotels are doing great offers now.

What counties did he stay in? What was the length of the stay? Was it business or pleasure?

gigino · 02-01-2012 07:36PM

Nodin wrote: »

What counties did he stay in? What was the length of the stay? Was it business or pleasure?

and why do you want to know ?

Nodin · 02-01-2012 07:48PM

gigino wrote: »

and why do you want to know ?

.....because it would help establish the veracity or otherwise of your story. So far it smells worse than the one about the polish plumber.

gigino · 02-01-2012 07:51PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

I honestly don't see what the big issue is here .

Thank you, and neither can anyone else except Nodin. He finds it incredible someone has a brother who spent a few hotel nights in Ireland. lol.

mattjack · 02-01-2012 07:53PM

gigino wrote: »

Thank you, and neither can anyone else except Nodin. He finds it incredible someone has a brother who spent a few hotel nights in Ireland. lol.

I think you're telling porkies too..

gigino · 02-01-2012 07:57PM

mattjack wrote: »

I think you're telling porkies too..

I could not care less ; in fact because you cannot find something else to say and because you have no valid points to make, I expect a childish response like that. I wrote in the OP "My brother stayed in a few large hotels in Ireland recently and said even the receptionist, leisure centre staff, waiting staff etc were foreign". There are plenty of brothers in Ireland, and plenty of hotels....

mattjack · 02-01-2012 07:59PM

gigino wrote: »

I could not care less ; in fact because you cannot find something else to say and because you have no valid points to make, I expect a childish response like that. I wrote in the OP "My brother stayed in a few large hotels in Ireland recently and said even the receptionist, leisure centre staff, waiting staff etc were foreign". There are plenty of brothers in Ireland, and plenty of hotels....

the plumber who charged you 80 euro's for nothing...

Kev.OC · 02-01-2012 11:40PM

Just some food for thought. I've worked in a hotel for a few years, as a barman. When I started nearly four years ago, there were maybe a dozen bar-staff, at a guess I'd say maybe four or five foreign, the rest Irish.

Now we have about ten bar-staff, two foreign. There were about eight or ten months there where we had just the one foreign lad. All the receptionists are Irish. The majority of the waiting staff are Irish. The majority of the housekeeping staff are foreign. If the staff party is any indication, I'd guess that somewhere around 15-20% of the staff are foreign.

Over the few years I've been there I've noticed that there are more Irish staff there now than there used to be. Thing is, people here have said the Irish are lazy and don't want to work. I can tell you now, if you have a job in a hotel, and you're lazy and don't want to work, you won't have a job in a hotel for very long.

We all have lazy days, when the manager isn't around and you take it overly handy, but when the pressure comes on, you wouldn't find harder workers. And I doubt very much that nationality plays a large role in that. If you're a good worker, you're kept around. If you're not, you're shipped off.

goat2 · 03-01-2012 02:31PM

before, during and after the celtic tiger, i did all these things in my own home, but i did see neighbours have people in cleaning outside of their windows, washing their driveways, cutting hedges, and cutting lawns, also painting their houses, all the things i enjoy doing for myself, as while doing these jobs, you get in a bit of exercise,
today these same people are cribbing because they now have little left for the rainy day that has hit us like a bolt of lightning

mattjack · 03-01-2012 03:45PM

goat2 wrote: »

before, during and after the celtic tiger, i did all these things in my own home, but i did see neighbours have people in cleaning outside of their windows, washing their driveways, cutting hedges, and cutting lawns, also painting their houses, all the things i enjoy doing for myself, as while doing these jobs, you get in a bit of exercise,
today these same people are cribbing because they now have little left for the rainy day that has hit us like a bolt of lightning

Hi goat2 the post you were reading wasn,t mine..Its from a closed thread belonging to Gigino.

Glynn1972 · 03-01-2012 06:24PM

Johnny Foreigner wrote: »

I would sooner pay an Irish Plumber 50 Euro to fix a burst pipe, than a Polish Plumber 25 Euro.
Why?
I believe the Irish should look after their own.
The Irish man will spend that 50 Euro back in the Irish economy.
The Polish man will send that money back home to Poland.

Yea & after you give €25 to the Polish plumber, you will have to give the Irish plumber €100 to fix it right when you tell him a Polish plumber fixed it first!

gigino · 03-01-2012 07:14PM

Glynn1972 wrote: »

Yea & after you give €25 to the Polish plumber, you will have to give the Irish plumber €100 to fix it right when you tell him a Polish plumber fixed it first!

Are you claiming Polish workmanship is not as good as Irish workmanship ? A polish plumber is not as good as an Irish plumber? A Polish worker is not as good as an Irish worker ? The only job I ever know of a polish plumber doing was a good one, and did last, so what are you basing your assumption on ? You would not be an Irish plumber who likes to charge 100 euro call out fee by any chance ?

Toby Take a Bow · 03-01-2012 08:27PM

gigino wrote: »

Are you claiming Polish workmanship is not as good as Irish workmanship ? A polish plumber is not as good as an Irish plumber? A Polish worker is not as good as an Irish worker ? The only job I ever know of a polish plumber doing was a good one, and did last, so what are you basing your assumption on ? You would not be an Irish plumber who likes to charge 100 euro call out fee by any chance ?

Ooh. Anecdotal evidence fight!

I once had a problem with a dishwasher, so I got a plumber-type person to fix it. Middle-Eastern type. Told me it was a tricky problem but he'd call me back next week to tell me if he could source the parts. He didn't. So I called him back and he had obviously forgotten all about it. When he copped on to what I was talking about, he claimed it couldn't be fixed.

So I had to call out a different plumber, who fixed it there and then.

Problem is this plumber was also middle-eastern, so I don't know how this story fits into foreigners are great/shifty workers.

mattjack · 03-01-2012 08:40PM

Toby Take a Bow wrote: »

Ooh. Anecdotal evidence fight!

I once had a problem with a dishwasher, so I got a plumber-type person to fix it. Middle-Eastern type. Told me it was a tricky problem but he'd call me back next week to tell me if he could source the parts. He didn't. So I called him back and he had obviously forgotten all about it. When he copped on to what I was talking about, he claimed it couldn't be fixed.

So I had to call out a different plumber, who fixed it there and then.

Problem is this plumber was also middle-eastern, so I don't know how this story fits into foreigners are great/shifty workers.

aww you just started and stopped another arguement

gigino · 04-01-2012 12:27AM

Toby Take a Bow wrote: »

So I had to call out a different plumber, who fixed it there and then.

It was'nt Glyn1972 the Irish plumber who charges much more than the young polish plumber ( but who did a perfect job) ?

Micky Dolenz · 04-01-2012 12:34AM

Circles, we are going in them.

Closing arguments please.

gigino · 04-01-2012 12:53AM

Quote " Almost 36,000 workers in the hotel and restaurant sector (36.6%) in 2006 were born outside Ireland"

http://www.cso.ie/en/newsandevents/pressreleases/2007pressreleases/2006censusofpopulation-volume7-principaleconomicstatusandindustries/

Google "percentage hotel workers irish in ireland"

Guess the latest percentage.

As one very wise man once remarked " you cannot change the marketplace".

Very interesting observation.

Nodin · 04-01-2012 12:54AM

gigino wrote: »

Quote " Almost 36,000 workers in the hotel and restaurant sector (36.6%) in 2006 were born outside Ireland

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Rather undermines your whole fairy story.

gigino · 04-01-2012 12:56AM

Nodin wrote: »

Rather undermines your whole fairy story.

That was 2006 for the hotel and restaurant sector : not 2011 for the hotel sector alone. Please pay attention.

Nodin · 04-01-2012 01:03AM

gigino wrote: »

That was 2006 for the hotel and restaurant sector : not 2011 for the hotel sector alone. Please pay attention.

Its still far more in tune with reality than "my brother..." "my neighbours plumber" and sundry other convenient mythologys.

gigino · 04-01-2012 01:08AM

The brothers + neighbours experience is consistent with the statistics.

Nodin · 04-01-2012 01:10AM

gigino wrote: »

The brothers + neighbours experience is consistent with the statistics.

From your own OP

My brother stayed in a few large hotels in Ireland recently and said even the receptionist, leisure centre staff, waiting staff etc were foreign. Excellent staff, but mostly eastern European. I know the HR person in another large Irish hotel ( well known brand name ) and she said they do not have any Irish people on housekeeping duties / making up rooms. She said they never found any Irish people who could stick the pace.

Don't try changing tune now.

gigino · 04-01-2012 01:19AM

Perfectly consistent. Nobody claimed all hotel staff in Ireland were either foreign or Irish. Obviously the % of foreign staff in hotels will vary from hotel to hotel. I have given stastics ( census + CSO ) and examples perfectly plausible : you can offer nothing.

Why are most hotel workers not Irish ?

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