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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,661 ✭✭✭Fuhrer


    Hang on, didnt Suarez admit to the FA that he said it, now hes denying saying it in his statement?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,771 ✭✭✭michael999999


    Now lets see The Mirror call Terry a racist!

    Wont hold my breathe!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,832 ✭✭✭✭Blatter


    Basically the statement reads:

    ''We will not be appealing Luis Suarez' 8 game ban because we have no grounds to do so, as the FA's report is watertight and the charge was proven against the player.

    Due to the way in which we unanimously protested Luis' total innocence from day one, without possession of all the facts, we now have to stick to our guns and still maintain that Luis Suarez is innocent. We do this despite the fact that he is actually guilty. If we were to backtrack now, we would lose even more credibility''

    Signed,

    LFC


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,382 ✭✭✭✭greendom


    Fuhrer wrote: »
    Hang on, didnt Suarez admit to the FA that he said it, now hes denying saying it in his statement?

    Well he says this

    "the Spanish word for “black” is a term commonly used and does not symbolise any disrespect, let alone racism."

    I still think he owes Evra an apology.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,137 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    First game back is united away, oh i do love it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,340 ✭✭✭✭KevIRL


    The 2 statements issued by Liverpool FC and Luis Suarez make for interesting reading.

    http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/statement-from-liverpool-fc

    It is our strongly held conviction that the Football Association and the panel it selected constructed a highly subjective case against Luis Suarez based on an accusation that was ultimately unsubstantiated.

    The FA and the panel chose to consistently and methodically accept and embrace arguments leading to a set of conclusions that found Mr. Suarez to "probably" be guilty while in the same manner deciding to completely dismiss the testimony that countered their overall suppositions.

    Mr. Evra was deemed to be credible in spite of admitting that he himself used insulting and threatening words towards Luis and that his initial charge as to the word used was somehow a mistake.

    The facts in this case were that an accusation was made, a rebuttal was given and there was video of the match. The remaining facts came from testimony of people who did not corroborate any accusation made by Mr. Evra.

    In its determination to prove its conclusions to the public through a clearly subjective 115-page document, the FA panel has damaged the reputation of one the Premier League's best players, deciding he should be punished and banned for perhaps a quarter of a season. This case has also provided a template in which a club's rival can bring about a significant ban for a top player without anything beyond an accusation.

    Nevertheless, there are ultimately larger issues than whether or not Luis Suarez has been treated fairly by the Football Association in this matter. There are important points we want to make today that overshadow what has occurred during the past two months.

    The issue of race in sports, as in other industries, has a very poor history. Far too often, and in far too many countries, the issues of racism and discrimination have been covered over or ignored.

    In America, where Liverpool ownership resides, there was a shameful bigotry that prevented black athletes from competing at the highest levels for decades.

    English football has led the world in welcoming all nationalities and creeds into its Premier League and its leagues below, and Liverpool Football Club itself has been a leader in taking a progressive stance on issues of race and inclusion. The Luis Suarez case has to end so that the Premier League, the Football Association and the Club can continue the progress that has been made and will continue to be made and not risk a perception, at least by some, that would diminish our commitment on these issues.

    Liverpool Football Club have supported Luis Suarez because we fundamentally do not believe that Luis on that day - or frankly any other - did or would engage in a racist act. Notably, his actions on and off the pitch with his teammates and in the community have demonstrated his belief that all athletes can play together and that the colour of a person's skin is irrelevant.

    Continuing a fight for justice in this particular case beyond today would only obscure the fact that the Club wholeheartedly supports the efforts of the Football Association, the Football League and the Premier League to put an end to any form of racism in English football.

    It is time to put the Luis Suarez matter to rest and for all of us, going forward, to work together to stamp out racism in every form both inside and outside the sport.

    It is for this reason that we will not appeal the eight-game suspension of Luis Suarez.


    http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/statement-from-luis-suarez
    First of all I would like to thank everyone so much for all the help and support I have received during these last few weeks.

    Thank you to my family, my friends and everybody at LFC (the staff, manager and coaching staff, the directors, my team mates and everyone who is working on a daily basis for this great club) and thank you especially to all the fans who made sure I never felt let down for one second. During those days I understood more than ever what 'You'll Never Walk Alone' means.

    Like many of you I was born into a very humble family, in a working class neighbourhood, in a small country. But I was born and raised learning what respect, manners and sacrifice mean. Thanks to my family, from my first club where I started playing, to my transfer to Holland in Europe, I learned the values which made me the person I am now. Never, I repeat, never, have I had any racial problem with a team mate or individual who was of a different race or colour to mine. Never.

    I am very upset by all the things which have been said during the last few weeks about me, all of them being very far from the truth. But above all, I'm very upset at feeling so powerless whilst being accused of something which I did not, nor would not, ever do.

    In my country, 'negro' is a word we use commonly, a word which doesn't show any lack of respect and is even less so a form of racist abuse. Based on this, everything which has been said so far is totally false.

    I will carry out the suspension with the resignation of someone who hasn't done anything wrong and who feels extremely upset by the events. I do feel sorry for the fans and for my team mates whom I will not be able to help during the next month. It will be a very difficult time for me.

    The only thing I wish for at the moment is being able to run out again at Anfield and to do what I like most which is playing football.

    Thank you very much.

    YNWA


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,925 ✭✭✭th3 s1aught3r


    Liverpool know there is no point in appealing the FA decision
    Even thought the ban is completely wrong imo


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,340 ✭✭✭✭KevIRL


    THFC wrote: »
    Liverpool not appealing now makes their first statement look even more stupid. Didn't think it possible.

    Read their latest statement. It really is possible. Actually stupid isnt the word


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,645 ✭✭✭Daemos


    Am I missing something? Everyone is saying Suarez will return against Man United, but will it not be Tottenham? Assuming of course they don't lose to Oldham

    3 Jan 2012 - Manchester City
    6 Jan 2012 - Oldham
    11 Jan 2012 - Manchester City
    14 Jan 2012 - Stoke City
    21 Jan 2012 - Bolton
    25 Jan 2012 - Manchester City
    28 Jan 2012 - FA Cup 4th Round
    31 Jan 2012 - Wolves
    6 Feb 2012 - Tottenham
    11 Feb 2012 - Man United


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,661 ✭✭✭Fuhrer


    Liverpool know there is no point in appealing the FA decision
    Even thought the ban is completely wrong imo



    And why is the ban completely wrong?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,661 ✭✭✭Fuhrer


    Daemos wrote: »
    Am I missing something? Everyone is saying Suarez will return against Man United, but will it not be Tottenham? Assuming of course they don't lose to Oldham

    3 Jan 2012 - Manchester City
    6 Jan 2012 - Oldham
    11 Jan 2012 - Manchester City
    14 Jan 2012 - Stoke City
    21 Jan 2012 - Bolton
    25 Jan 2012 - Manchester City
    28 Jan 2012 - FA Cup 4th Round
    31 Jan 2012 - Wolves
    6 Feb 2012 - Tottenham
    11 Feb 2012 - Man United


    Think it depends on progress in the cup


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,832 ✭✭✭✭Blatter


    The-Rigger wrote: »
    Haven't read the report.

    Is it accepted that Evra started the exchange with the 'you South American' thing?
    That's Evra's testimony?

    No, the FA found that not to be the case.
    niallo27 wrote: »
    First game back is united away, oh i do love it.

    Will he be played though, or possibly protected from the unprecedented levels of abuse that he would surely receive? He might not be considered match fit to play either.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 34,971 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    niallo27 wrote: »
    First game back is united away, oh i do love it.

    As has been said before in other threads, he will probably be back for the spurs match first.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,137 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Blatter wrote: »
    No, the FA found that not to be the case.



    Will he be played though, or possibly protected from the unprecedented levels of abuse that he would surely receive? He might not be considered match fit to play either.

    I have no doubt he will make some appearance that day. Himself and evra could shake hands and move on.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Leiva


    kmart6 wrote: »
    No! Called him a cúnt basically!

    Nope .

    The only video evidence that could be used for seeing what was said (eg) lip reading , confirmed that Evra said to Suarez " your sisters Pussy " in Spanish as a wind up .

    This then was somehow also confirmed as been able to be translated as "fcuk me" or similar.

    Suarez never reported this or heard this but the FA found it whilst investigating


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,643 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    I find the statement by Liverpool FC on this to be extraordinary. If the club feel so strongly that their player has been mistreated then they ought to appeal.

    To claim that their commitment to fighting racism prevents them doing so just doesn't wash. If they genuinely believed in their argument then they would fight tooth and nail over it and would simply have to point out that in doing so they were still committed to tackling racism. After all, wasn't that what the shirt-wearing was supposed to be about?


  • Posts: 5,869 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Daemos wrote: »
    Am I missing something? Everyone is saying Suarez will return against Man United, but will it not be Tottenham? Assuming of course they don't lose to Oldham

    3 Jan 2012 - Manchester City
    6 Jan 2012 - Oldham
    11 Jan 2012 - Manchester City
    14 Jan 2012 - Stoke City
    21 Jan 2012 - Bolton
    25 Jan 2012 - Manchester City
    28 Jan 2012 - FA Cup 4th Round
    31 Jan 2012 - Wolves
    6 Feb 2012 - Tottenham
    11 Feb 2012 - Man United

    Is he not clear to play city tonight?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,361 ✭✭✭YouTookMyName


    THFC wrote: »
    Still no apology to Evra despite admitting to calling him black????
    Excellent, just won a bet that he would use the ynwa line of things...lost one though saying he would be man enough to apologise.

    You only apologise when you're wrong.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,645 ✭✭✭Daemos


    Is he not clear to play city tonight?
    Nope, they accepted the ban before the match so this is the first match of his ban


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,507 ✭✭✭clubberlang12


    mixednuts wrote: »
    Nope .

    The only video evidence that could be used for seeing what was said (eg) lip reading , confirmed that Evra said to Suarez " your sisters Pussy " in Spanish as a wind up .

    This then was somehow also confirmed as been able to be translated as "fcuk me" or similar.

    Suarez never reported this or heard this but the FA found it whilst investigating

    The FA found out because Evra openly admitted saying it from the start despite Surarez never hearing it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    I find the statement by Liverpool FC on this to be extraordinary. If the club feel so strongly that their player has been mistreated then they ought to appeal.

    Ferguson did the same despite his disgust at the FA finding that Phelan & Co. had tried to falsely brand someone a racist.

    An appeal would likely achieve nothing other than a pile of ****e PR & on the playing side, it's beneficial to get it out of the way now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,382 ✭✭✭✭greendom


    You only apologise when you're wrong.

    I thought at least a politician's apology would have been forthcoming.

    "I apologise if I caused any offence by my lack of awareness of the language I used."


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    THFC wrote: »
    Still no apology to Evra despite admitting to calling him black????
    Simple question for you, what colour is evra?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,967 ✭✭✭eigrod


    greendom wrote: »

    I still think he owes Evra an apology.



    Yeah, he should apologise.Perhaps he should go to Eric Cantona for help in preparing his apology statement

    David Davis' account of Cantona's apology to the FA commission :
    "'I would like to apologise to the chairman of the commission,' Eric began. 'I would like to apologise to Manchester United, Maurice Watkins and Alex Ferguson. I like to apologise to my teammates. I want to apologise to the FA. And I would like to apologise to the prostitute who shared my bed last night.'"


    http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/sport/football/manchester_united/s/1070656_cantona_ban_revelation?rss=yes


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,507 ✭✭✭clubberlang12


    Interesting statement from Luis. I think it was much as people would have expected. I still would have expected some sort of mention to Evra stating that he was sorry if the term had caused him hurt.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,709 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Crinklewood


    You only apologise when you're wrong.

    My point exactly.

    Source.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,340 ✭✭✭✭KevIRL


    The 2 statements released this evening, like Liverpool FC's handling of this whole situation are shocking and disgraceful


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,349 ✭✭✭✭J. Marston


    You only apologise when you're wrong.

    ''Depending on who ends up in the wrong, one of us will have to apologise.''

    -Luis Suarez.

    He was found to be wrong. He really should apologise.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,369 ✭✭✭UnitedIrishman


    Liverpool really are becoming some sort of PR joke at this stage. Every journalist and former footballer I've seen comment on the statements has said they're really making fools of themselves.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    This is a stupid thread anyway.
    There's not too many on here really give a s**t about racism in the game.
    It's all been about united fans having a go at the Liverpool fans and visa-versa.
    I reckon this one should be locked now!!


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