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Who's your favourite serial killer?

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    #92
    paddy kerins
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    Dotrel wrote: »
    No, serial killer, Wisconsin, the '50s. Do you know what Ed Gein said about women?

    What did Ed Gein say?


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    #93
    mattjack
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    Vasili Blokhin ,NKVD's chief executioner, thought to have killed 7000 in 28 days in the Katyn massacres.Dunno if you could call him a serial killer though, believed to be the most prolific ever executioner.


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    #94
    Dotrel
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    paddy kerins wrote: »
    What did Ed Gein say?

    He said "When I see a pretty girl walking down the street, I want to take her out, talk to her, be real nice and sweet and treat her right."

    Great sentiments from a lovely man.


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    #95
    livinsane
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    Dotrel wrote: »
    He said "When I see a pretty girl walking down the street, I want to take her out, talk to her, be real nice and sweet and treat her right."

    Great sentiments from a lovely man.

    And the other half of me wonders what her head would look like on a stick.


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    #96
    Dotrel
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    livinsane wrote: »
    And the other half of me wonders what her head would look like on a stick.

    Oh, I must have missed that part. I take it back then.


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    #97
    paddy kerins
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    Dotrel wrote: »
    Oh, I must have missed that part. I take it back then.

    Hey Dotrel


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    #98
    Colonel_McCoy
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    Richard "The Iceman" Kuklinski


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    #99
    af_thefragile
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    Its really interesting how many of the high profile serial killers had truly messed up childhoods and were doing their killings during the 70s... Maybe something about parenting in the 60s?


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    #100
    stupidusername
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    af_thefragile wrote: »
    Its really interesting how many of the high profile serial killers had truly messed up childhoods and were doing their killings during the 70s... Maybe something about parenting in the 60s?

    all the drugs...

    but really, yeah of course it's to do with their upbringing.


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    #101
    Spunge
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    Seriel killer thread with 100 posts
    Rapist thread insta-locked, everyone shocked.

    stay logical, AH.


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    #102
    up for anything
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    stupidusername wrote: »
    all the drugs...

    but really, yeah of course it's to do with their upbringing.

    Psychopathy is genetic. Upbringing can release their worst instincts but no psychopath can be normal even when given a loving, nurturing, caring upbringing.


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    #103
    pdbhp
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    Spunge wrote: »
    Seriel killer thread with 100 posts
    Rapist thread insta-locked, everyone shocked.

    stay logical, AH.

    Well serial killing is well serialised on TV and in media whereas rape is more taboo and really horrible all rapists are pieces of human excramant!


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    #104
    up for anything
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    pdbhp wrote: »
    Well serial killing is well serialised on TV and in media whereas rape is more taboo and really horrible all rapists are pieces of human excramant!

    That's not terribly logical as a large proportion of serial killers rape/sexually torture their victims.


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    #105
    stupidusername
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    up for anything wrote: »
    Psychopathy is genetic. Upbringing can release their worst instincts but no psychopath can be normal even when given a loving, nurturing, caring upbringing.

    link?

    and are all serial killers psychopaths?


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    #106
    af_thefragile
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    stupidusername wrote: »
    link?

    and are all serial killers psychopaths?

    I wouldn't say there's a clear genetic link to one becoming a psychopath mostly because there is no clear pathology associated with psychopaths.
    Like for example people with alzhimers who have very clear pathology in their brains which can confirm the disease, one can't find that with psychopaths.
    If there's any genetic link it is likely to be multifactorial which usually is very difficult to prove.

    Most of the theories on serial killers seem to focus on their childhood psychological development becoming messed up due to bad or in occasions truly messed up parenting.

    As W.H. Auden said it... "those to whom evil is done. Do evil in return".


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    #107
    Galwayguy35
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    Leonard Lake and Charles Ng.
    Now these were 2 brutal SOB's


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    #108
    Scanlas The 2nd
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    pdbhp wrote: »
    Spunge wrote: »
    Seriel killer thread with 100 posts
    Rapist thread insta-locked, everyone shocked.

    stay logical, AH.

    Well serial killing is well serialised on TV and in media whereas rape is more taboo and really horrible all rapists are pieces of human excramant!
    Whatever rationalisation works for ya.


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    #109
    stupidusername
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    af_thefragile wrote: »
    I wouldn't say there's a clear genetic link to one becoming a psychopath mostly because there is no clear pathology associated with psychopaths.
    Like for example people with alzhimers who have very clear pathology in their brains which can confirm the disease, one can't find that with psychopaths.
    If there's any genetic link it is likely to be multifactorial which usually is very difficult to prove.

    Most of the theories on serial killers seem to focus on their childhood psychological development becoming messed up due to bad or in occasions truly messed up parenting.

    As W.H. Auden said it... "those to whom evil is done. Do evil in return".

    yeah, anything I've read never mentioned any genetic link or anything biological. it was always about environment and circumstance. much more believable tbh.


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    #110
    up for anything
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    stupidusername wrote: »
    link?

    and are all serial killers psychopaths?

    No, they are not in the strictest sense but from my reading (a few links below - lots more out there on Google) most of them exhibit maybe not all but some of the accepted psychopathic/sociopath traits. Researchers are still looking into the possibility of physical brain malformation or 'wrong wiring' being responsible for these traits. You can say that lots of serial killers had horrendous childhoods but there there are a greater proportion of people who have had terrible childhoods who do not grow up to become serial killers or psychopaths individuals.


    http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/serial-murder/serial-murder-1#four

    http://crime.about.com/od/serial/a/psychopaths.htm

    http://www.lovefraud.com/blog/2008/10/10/sociopathic-children-and-psychopathic-traits-during-childhood/

    http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html

    http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=50579

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128116806

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=127888976

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2242349/


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    #111
    Wattle
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    I find the West case very interesting. Can't make up my mind whether Rose West was involved in the murders or not. Read a very interesting book on the case called 'She Must Have Known' by Brian Masters which showed how unsound her conviction was. I think it's perfectly possible that Fred carried out the killings on his own. Also there must be other victims that we'll never know about.


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    #112
    Richard Hillman
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    The Terminator


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    #113
    Richard Hillman
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    double post


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    #114
    up for anything
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    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    The Terminator

    Your user namesake. :D


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    #115
    stupidusername
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    up for anything wrote: »
    No, they are not in the strictest sense but from my reading (a few links below - lots more out there on Google) most of them exhibit maybe not all but some of the accepted psychopathic/sociopath traits. Researchers are still looking into the possibility of physical brain malformation or 'wrong wiring' being responsible for these traits. You can say that lots of serial killers had horrendous childhoods but there there are a greater proportion of people who have had terrible childhoods who do not grow up to become serial killers or psychopaths individuals.

    there are lots of abusers that themselves were abused, and lots that don't abuse, but you can't say their abuse has nothing to do with being abused themselves.

    I wish I could read all that stuff, but my concentration is quite bad. from what I did read, I could conclude they're saying not all psychopaths are murderers, and not all murderers are psychopaths.


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    #116
    af_thefragile
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    stupidusername wrote: »
    there are lots of abusers that themselves were abused, and lots that don't abuse, but you can't say their abuse has nothing to do with being abused themselves.

    I wish I could read all that stuff, but my concentration is quite bad. from what I did read, I could conclude they're saying not all psychopaths are murderers, and not all murderers are psychopaths.

    I'm pretty sure its not just bad parenting and abuse that leads one to becoming a serial killer/psychopath.

    As you mentioned a lot of people who were abused or had bad childhood do not all end up becoming messed up psycho serial killers. There's a lot more to it than that.

    Like some children do seem to have an inherent tendency towards violence. Many have noticed the earliest manifestation of this in children who are cruel towards animals. Children who like to kill animals for fun or just to "see what its like" and such. Like the ones who posted the videos of setting a cat on fire or suffocating cats in plastic bags n other messed up kids like that.

    And finally its a bit of like The Joker says "madness is like gravity, all it needs is a little push!".


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    #117
    stupidusername
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    af_thefragile wrote: »
    I'm pretty sure its not just bad parenting and abuse that leads one to becoming a serial killer/psychopath.

    As you mentioned a lot of people who were abused or had bad childhood do not all end up becoming messed up psycho serial killers. There's a lot more to it than that.

    Like some children do seem to have an inherent tendency towards violence. Many have noticed the earliest manifestation of this in children who are cruel towards animals. Children who like to kill animals for fun or just to "see what its like" and such. Like the ones who posted the videos of setting a cat on fire or suffocating cats in plastic bags n other messed up kids like that.

    And finally its a bit of like The Joker says "madness is like gravity, all it needs is a little push!".

    so you're saying that your opinion is that it's genetic?


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    #118
    af_thefragile
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    stupidusername wrote: »
    so you're saying that your opinion is that it's genetic?

    Maybe genetic or some sporadic mutation somewhere along the line messing up the way the person thinks and behaves. If not all people with messed up childhood would end up becoming serial killers but thats not the case.

    A lot of psychiatry and psychology at the end of the day is just waffle with some evidence than A leads to B and C can help correcting that sometimes. Nothing can be properly proved.


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    #119
    stupidusername
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    af_thefragile wrote: »
    Maybe genetic or some sporadic mutation somewhere along the line messing up the way the person thinks and behaves. If not all people with messed up childhood would end up becoming serial killers but thats not the case.

    A lot of psychiatry and psychology at the end of the day is just waffle with some evidence than A leads to B and C can help correcting that sometimes. Nothing can be properly proved.

    I know none of it can be proven, but isn't the general accepted theory that it's hugely down to environment?


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    #120
    af_thefragile
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    stupidusername wrote: »
    I know none of it can be proven, but isn't the general accepted theory that it's hugely down to environment?

    At the end of the day probably.
    Good parenting usually leads to good adults.


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    #121
    stupidusername
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    af_thefragile wrote: »
    At the end of the day probably.
    Good parenting usually leads to good adults.

    so.... you're agreeing with my point? ok


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