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Speed ramps need to go

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  • #32
    Anan1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »
    The GF's MX5 bottomed out on the speed bumps in our industrial estate, one can hardly say an MX5 is such an outrageous and exotic car that one shouldn't have any business driving it round this country.
    On the plus side, it does give a much nicer roar over 4k RPM, making the inbetween dash much more fun.
    Same goes for the Elise and Honda S2000 in the estate.
    I'd understand that a Ferrari, Lamborghini or Zonda might not be suitable for our roads, especially our potholed and boulder strewn back boreens, but if you can't use the above examples on regular main and city roads and even industrial estates, maybe the speed ramps aren't fit for purpose?
    You're looking at it in terms of right and wrong, I think you need to be more pragmatic. The fact is that any road imperfection, from a pothole to a ramp, is going to affect every car differently. If you choose a car with hard, limited-travel suspension and big wheels then you're going to be forced to slow down more, and more often, than otherwise. None of us discovered ramps after buying our cars, moaning about it after the fact is IMO akin to complaining that the car you bought doesn't have enough seats/doors/horsepower. An MX-5 is a great car in many ways, it's just not really able for ramps.


  • #33
    challengemaster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,930 ✭✭✭✭challengemaster


    Anan1 wrote: »
    There's a point here that many people seem most unwilling to take on board - in this country, low suspension and big wheels = slow car. You can say it's the fault of the ramps, or of the potholes or whatever - IMO, if ramps slow you to a crawl then your car is not fit for purpose.

    I can't understand how you can defend the state of the potholes in the roads... nevermind the badly designed speed ramps which easily damage cars

    I think you need to dig your head out of the sand and realise that people who want to modify their cars, be it alloys or suspension, should have no issues doing so, and anyone should be able to buy and drive a standard or non standard car without any hassle on the roads.

    You seem to have an attitude which stinks of high-horse tbh.


  • #34
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,781 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    Anan1 wrote: »
    dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »
    The GF's MX5 bottomed out on the speed bumps in our industrial estate, one can hardly say an MX5 is such an outrageous and exotic car that one shouldn't have any business driving it round this country.
    On the plus side, it does give a much nicer roar over 4k RPM, making the inbetween dash much more fun.
    Same goes for the Elise and Honda S2000 in the estate.
    I'd understand that a Ferrari, Lamborghini or Zonda might not be suitable for our roads, especially our potholed and boulder strewn back boreens, but if you can't use the above examples on regular main and city roads and even industrial estates, maybe the speed ramps aren't fit for purpose?
    You're looking at it in terms of right and wrong, I think you need to be more pragmatic. The fact is that any road imperfection, from a pothole to a ramp, is going to affect every car differently. If you choose a car with hard, limited-travel suspension and big wheels then you're going to be forced to slow down more, and more often, than otherwise. None of us discovered ramps after buying our cars, moaning about it after the fact is IMO akin to complaining that the car you bought doesn't have enough seats/doors/horsepower. An MX-5 is a great car in many ways, it's just not really able for ramps.

    Sorry, but you're wrong. An MX-5 is neither stiffly suspended, and has small std wheels - 14"ers, and should be able to travel anywhere without issue in this country.

    Ramps are an abomination, and are a typical PS lazy answer ti a problem......which only makes things worse......

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • #35
    dr.fuzzenstein
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,620 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein


    Anan1 wrote: »
    You're looking at it in terms of right and wrong, I think you need to be more pragmatic. The fact is that any road imperfection, from a pothole to a ramp, is going to affect every car differently. If you choose a car with hard, limited-travel suspension and big wheels then you're going to be forced to slow down more, and more often, than otherwise. None of us discovered ramps after buying our cars, moaning about it after the fact is IMO akin to complaining that the car you bought doesn't have enough seats/doors/horsepower. An MX-5 is a great car in many ways, it's just not really able for ramps.

    As I found out...
    But I would argue that an MX5 is a fairly standard car, it's not a Veyron, Lambo or Ferrari.
    It's a fairly common car, nothing exotic and one could say that it was designed with as much practicality in mind as possible for a two seater convertible. You can even fit some shopping in the boot.
    It is fairly low, but if someone designs ramps that this car cannot cross, the ramp is faulty, not the car.
    After all, it is easier to change a ramp, rather than the design of millions of cars, nevermind modifying the ones that are already out there.
    A ramp to me is something that does not HAVE to be there, it does not fulfill a vital role, it is merely there to annoy motorists so they rev their engines more, which in turn annoys residents.
    As for joyriders? They just enjoy going over them as fast as possible.
    I think ramps are self-defeating and pointless.
    http://www.topspeedracer.com/do-speed-bumps-save-lives.html


  • #36
    Anan1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    challengemaster wrote: »
    I can't understand how you can defend the state of the potholes in the roads... nevermind the badly designed speed ramps which easily damage cars
    I'm no more defending ramps than I am potholes. They both exist, so I plan for them.
    challengemaster wrote: »
    I think you need to dig your head out of the sand and realise that people who want to modify their cars, be it alloys or suspension, should have no issues doing so, and anyone should be able to buy and drive a standard or non standard car without any hassle on the roads.
    That'd be nice, but so would lighting on every road in the country. Don't hold your breath.
    challengemaster wrote: »
    You seem to have an attitude which stinks of high-horse tbh.
    Ah, this witless old chestnut again. Anything looks high when viewed from below.
    galwaytt wrote: »
    Sorry, but you're wrong. An MX-5 is neither stiffly suspended, and has small std wheels - 14"ers, and should be able to travel anywhere without issue in this country.
    Depends on the MX-5, I suppose. I drove a standard Mk1 for a good while, and I don't remember having any particular problems with ramps. I'm only taking dr.fuzzenstein's word for it that the car can't do ramps.
    galwaytt wrote: »
    Ramps are an abomination, and are a typical PS lazy answer ti a problem......which only makes things worse......
    Ramps are a crude answer to @rsehole driving. Cameras would be better, but cameras are expensive. I could drive a low-slung car and spend my days whining about ramps too, but i'd sooner get around the problem and treat ramps as a useful overtaking opportunity.


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  • #37
    Stinicker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,102 ✭✭✭Stinicker


    I don't know if there was a speed ramp here but even Obama fell foul of them!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWxxuG2Ru9c


  • #38
    ART6
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,632 ✭✭✭ART6


    I have paid lot of money for my car, in VRT and annual motor tax, together with VAT and duty on fuel. In return for that I have a reasonable expectation of having roads that I can drive it on without damaging it, irespective of whether or not the suspension has been lowered. I recognise that there are some drivers who will ignore reasonable speed limits, and are incapable of imagining that in towns and near schools they should slow a little. I want them caught and put off the road. Doing that needs a bit more than speed ramps and the odd sign threatening speed cameras where there there obviously aren't any.

    This is yet another simplistic solution devised by politicians of limited intelligence, intended to penalise the majority for the sins of the few. Let's face it, if there are speed ramps a few hundred metres apart, even a little family car nowadays, in the hands of a boy racer, could get up to some speed between them. In fact, where I live, that seems to be the latest challenge.

    What's the alternative? Perhaps a lot more Gardai on the streets and in the traffic corps. Perhaps an environment where, if you want to act the idiot, you never know if the eyes of the law are on you.

    Government solution? Downgrade the Garda traffic corps and get rid of a raft of Gardai. Brilliant!


  • #39
    dgt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,985 ✭✭✭✭dgt


    challengemaster wrote: »
    anyone should be able to buy and drive a standard or non standard car without any hassle on the roads.

    Some roads have trenches left in them... Now thats a real hazard

    Edit: Not as severe as some but example (the Audi is in it)

    http://maps.google.ie/maps?hl=en&ll=53.396797,-6.392887&spn=0.001099,0.00284&t=m&z=19&vpsrc=6&layer=c&cbll=53.396716,-6.393049&panoid=bEC0PdnaQDiY7TO-D16bEA&cbp=12,341.71,,0,27.71


  • #40
    benmad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27 ✭benmad


    Wolverine_1999 wrote: »
    Speed ramps should be used to slow you down.. not give you a concussion. The state of some of them are just a disgrace, destroying the car.

    If the legal speed limit is 50 for example, then why shouldn't you be entitled to drive that? Why are 30 zones not introduced for housing estates etc. with permanent speed cameras? No need for these god awful creations.
    Why where are you going,are you in a hurry!!:cool:


  • #41
    challengemaster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,930 ✭✭✭✭challengemaster


    dgt wrote: »
    Some roads have trenches left in them... Now thats a real hazard

    Edit: Not as severe as some but example (the Audi is in it)

    http://maps.google.ie/maps?hl=en&ll=53.396797,-6.392887&spn=0.001099,0.00284&t=m&z=19&vpsrc=6&layer=c&cbll=53.396716,-6.393049&panoid=bEC0PdnaQDiY7TO-D16bEA&cbp=12,341.71,,0,27.71
    That's nothing really...

    take a look at Tuam

    http://g.co/maps/aq3f3

    Start there, go through the town in street view. It'll take a few minutes but you'll see what I mean (and it's only gotten worse since those images were taken)


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  • #42
    dgt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,985 ✭✭✭✭dgt


    challengemaster wrote: »
    That's nothing really...

    take a look at Tuam

    http://g.co/maps/aq3f3

    Start there, go through the town in street view. It'll take a few minutes but you'll see what I mean (and it's only gotten worse since those images were taken)

    That is quite disgraceful, I thought it improved towards the Milltown road but that was me being optimistic :rolleyes:

    Heres a place I hate driving through. The roads are so bumpy and humpy :(

    http://maps.google.ie/maps?q=duleek&hl=en&ll=53.653233,-6.435974&spn=73.876963,186.152344&sll=53.519466,-8.855774&sspn=74.013008,186.152344&vpsrc=6&hnear=Duleek,+County+Meath&t=m&z=3&layer=c&cbll=53.653233,-6.435974&panoid=WawiD-3qd-zGF8QZs2tQlQ&cbp=13,55.67,,0,7.73


  • #43
    challengemaster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,930 ✭✭✭✭challengemaster


    dgt wrote: »
    That is quite disgraceful, I thought it improved towards the Milltown road but that was me being optimistic :rolleyes:
    To be honest with you, I just had a look at it myself on street view - it's currently about 20 times worse than that. Massive gouges and holes in the road, massive lumps of manholes in the middle of the road where it's been cut back a few layers to put newer tarmac down - all sorts. Must take a video the next time I'm going through.


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