Why are most hotel workers not Irish ?

tina turner · 02-01-2012 10:58AM

SWL wrote: »

Don’t believe you for the following reasons:

1. Poland had access from 2004 not 2003

2. If your wife got a job prior to 2004 then it must have been in the mid-nineties, Ireland has not experienced 14% unemployment since then. A quick look at the CSO website verifies this. Comparing the Irish economy to the mid-nineties is ridiculous as you are aware.

3. The people you describe attending for interviews are the ones from disadvantaged backgrounds with a host of social problems, a day’s work won’t do them any harm. But they won’t get it because low skilled Irish workers from these backgrounds are the ones who are being displaced, the CSO backs this up because from 2004 onwards unemployment has risen very year since the accession states were allowed access to Ireland labour market.

The same individuals are also the ones who cannot emigrate to AUS etc. because unlike Ireland AUS CAN, AND NZ only takes workers with the skills they need. They don’t run an immigration policy on a come one come all basis. So these guys are dammed if they dammed if they don’t.

4. Are you telling me if you lose your job tomorrow that in 12 months you will have lost your skillset, that’s is the most laughable thing I have read in months, complete crazy suggestion.

5. Where are you getting the statistic for the numbers of Irish abroad? Even if they are correct they equate to the number of accession countries national who immigrated to Ireland in under 18 months after May 2004 and that excludes other EU and non EU nationals. What is the population of AUS, CAN, NZ combined and compare that to under 4 million for Ireland.

Opening the labour market of a country with a population of 4 million, to a labour market of 70 million people and the effects it had on an already over heated property boom was the one of the craziest things an Irish government has done to its own people, second after the bank guarantee of course.

Just to clear point no.1,Poland would always have access providing the employer was willing to apply for a work permit.

naughtysmurf · 02-01-2012 11:34AM

mattjack wrote: »

All of us ?

No, of course not .

My most recent experience was of an Irish waitress who couldn't do enough for our party (two of whom are a nightmare to bring anywhere I may add)

She was excellent, knew the menu inside out, done everything she could to make sure we had a pleasant experience.

Result was we had a great time, waitress got a decent tip for her efforts.

Nodin · 02-01-2012 01:03PM

gigino wrote: »

30 minutes work for 25 euro. No I am not making it up. Because you would charge more does not mean the newly arrived immigrant did not.;)

...given your history of convenient anecdotes, yes, yes you are, Jimmy gigino.

gigino wrote: »

could have been work or pleasure, I'm not telling you:P

.....in a country this size, neither makes much sense. Amazing that with all your wheedling little 'I Know Somebody Who..' crap, every time you're put on the spot you shut up like a clam.

gigino wrote: »

Spot on. I guess it boils down to a lot of ( not all ) the foreigners being hungrier for work / more eager to please with a good work ethic.

Bit of a dig at the paddys again. Ye can't help yourself, can ye?

gigino · 02-01-2012 01:38PM

Nodin wrote: »

...given your history of convenient anecdotes, yes, yes you are, Jimmy gigino.

just because you think a polish plumber did not work for 50 an hour ( 25 for half an hour )

I feel sorry for you. Send less time stalking me and more in the real world.

Nodin wrote: »

Bit of a dig at the paddys again. Ye can't help yourself, can ye?

I am Irish myself and its not a dig at the paddies. Its an observation that there are many hard working immigrants in this country doing work, and doing it very wel in most casesl, which some of those hundreds of thousands of unemployed Irish people are not doing. Its a case of the immigrant being hungry for work, and willing to work hard, just as many Irish worked hard when they emmigrated in previous generations - in the 80's for example as someone else pointed out from personal experience. Stay in a hotel and see for yourself. Listen to the accents of the staff in the corridor making up rooms in the morning.

SWL · 02-01-2012 01:47PM

gigino wrote: »

just because you think a polish plumber did not work for 50 an hour ( 25 for half an hour )

I feel sorry for you. Send less time stalking me and more in the real world.

I am Irish myself and its not a dig at the paddies. Its an observation that there are many hard working immigrants in this country doing work, and doing it very wel in most casesl, which some of those hundreds of thousands of unemployed Irish people are not doing. Its a case of the immigrant being hungry for work, and willing to work hard, just as many Irish worked hard when they emmigrated in previous generations - in the 80's for example as someone else pointed out from personal experience. Stay in a hotel and see for yourself. Listen to the accents of the staff in the corridor making up rooms in the morning.

What about the immigrants on the dole - what is your view of them?

Clareboy · 02-01-2012 01:47PM

I spent over 20 years working in the Irish hotel industry and we were treated very badly by the Irish hoteliers. I am sure that they do not treat the foreign workers badly because the hoteliers are terrified of being accused of racism.

SWL · 02-01-2012 01:53PM

K-9 wrote: »

It's rather odd I get reports by each town, but you are saying it isn't possible. Donegal gives unemployment figures based on Letterkenny, Ballybofey, Buncrana etc.

Going on what you said, this is impossible"!

Who publishes the information by town?

The CSO don’t publish the information this way, neither does the INOU (National Organisation for the unemployed). I honestly have never seen unemployment figures given on a community basis, if I need figures on anything I go straight to the CSO.

gigino · 02-01-2012 01:55PM

SWL wrote: »

Who publishes the information by town?

a local paper may have done so in the local big town ?

SWL · 02-01-2012 01:57PM

tina turner wrote: »

Just to clear point no.1,Poland would always have access providing the employer was willing to apply for a work permit.

True, but the hassle of applying for a work permit for a part time position with 14% unemployment in the area seems odd, unless the person was working illegally and thus not paying their taxes but enjoying the benefits that taxes in society provide.

gigino · 02-01-2012 02:01PM

SWL wrote: »

What about the immigrants on the dole - what is your view of them?

I do not think people should have been allowed to come here in big numbers and get our unemployment assistance which may be 5 times what they would get in their own country.

Immigrants who come here should have enough money to support themselves until they get a job, or if they need the dole, it should be less than it is now. We are a small country of 4.5 million, we cannot afford to pay sky high social welfare to half of eastern Europe. Our dole is higher than many people over there get for working.

There are self employed people working here in Ireland for 30 years who find themselves without work for whatever reason and who cannot get the dole, even though they may literally have paid many hundreds of thousands in tax.

I still admire many of the immigrants who do come here and work hard. You will not find many employers saying a bad word about them.

Nodin · 02-01-2012 02:23PM

gigino wrote: »

just because you think a polish plumber did not work for 50 an hour ( 25 for half an hour ) .

#

No, I'd say you're lying.

I'd also say you're lying about your brothers "tour" of Irish hotels. You could of course make some attempt to prove me wrong, but I won't hold me breath on that one.

gigino wrote: »

I am Irish myself and its not a dig at the paddies..

Given your earlier remarks about Irish people, its obvious what you're at.

gigino · 02-01-2012 02:32PM

Nodin wrote: »

I'd also say you're lying about your brothers "tour" of Irish hotels.

lol. You can think or say all you want, but get your facts right : I said in relation to my brother : My brother stayed in a few large hotels in Ireland recently and said even the receptionist, leisure centre staff, waiting staff etc were foreign. If you think its a lie that someone has a brother who stayed in a few large hotels in Ireland recently, thats your problem. You should get out more, maybe even stay in a few hotels yourself. You will find there are some Irish people staying in them, sometimes for pleasure, sometimes on business. And on the law of probability some of them must have brothers and sisters.;). You need to open your mind a bit more.

Nodin · 02-01-2012 02:37PM

gigino wrote: »

lol. You can think or say all you want, but get your facts right : I said in relation to my brother : My brother stayed in a few large hotels in Ireland recently and said even the receptionist, leisure centre staff, waiting staff etc were foreign. If you think its a lie that someone has a brother who stayed in a few large hotels in Ireland recently, thats your problem. You should get out more, maybe even stay in a few hotels yourself. You will find there are some Irish people staying in them, sometimes for pleasure, sometimes on business. And on the law of probability some of them must have brothers and sisters.;). You need to open your mind a bit more.

....why would you need to stay in a "few large hotels recently"? The country isn't that big.

How many hotels did he stay in? What counties did he stay in? What was the duration of his stay? Was he on business or pleasure?

gigino · 02-01-2012 02:48PM

Nodin wrote: »

....why would you need to stay in a "few large hotels recently"? The country isn't that big.

The country does have plenty of hotels. The hotels he stayed in were sizeable ones, the ones that advertise nationally and which many people who travel throughout Ireland, or who read advertisments, would have heard of. They are brand name hotels. You could find lots - dozens - of other hotels just like them in Ireland. I used the word " large hotels" to differentiate them from little old family run 8 bedroom "hotels" in a one street village someplace.

Nodin wrote: »

How many hotels did he stay in? What counties did he stay in? What was the duration of his stay? Was he on business or pleasure?

I am not giving you more information about my brother because (a) its not relevant and (b) you have proved yourself as a stalker. Mind your own business.

Aseth · 02-01-2012 02:53PM

gigino wrote: »

I do not think people should have been allowed to come here in big numbers and get our unemployment assistance which may be 5 times what they would get in their own country.

I find it quite hard to believe that you can just come to a foreign country and apply for a dole :rolleyes:
I myself was working here for a few years and was on a dole for like 3 months - the money wasn't that big to begin with.
I would say the law is equal for everyone - if you have worked for a certain amount of time than afterwards if you find yourself on a dole you will be supported for a certain amount of time(after all we are all paying taxes). And imho that should be based on the length of time worked and money earned.

Nodin · 02-01-2012 02:55PM

gigino wrote: »

The country does have plenty of hotels.
.

...but why would somebody need to stay in a few of them in a short period of time, given the size of the country?

What counties were they in?

What was the duration of the stays? Was it business or pleasure?

gigino wrote: »

I am not giving you more information about my brother because (a) its not relevant and (b) you have proved yourself as a stalker. Mind your own business.

Its entirely relevant, it being in the OP and because, like your mystery HR friend, the wonderful polish plumber, your civil servant friends taking foriegn holidays and allllll the other useful anecdotes you trot out, its more than likely untrue, and being used as a platform by you to get the same old tired digs in.

Nodin · 02-01-2012 02:56PM

gigino wrote: »

I do not think people should have been allowed to come here in big numbers and get our unemployment assistance which may be 5 times what they would get in their own country.
.......

They weren't.

Nodin · 02-01-2012 02:58PM

Aseth wrote: »

I find it quite hard to believe that you can just come to a foreign country and apply for a dole :rolleyes:
.........

You can't. There's a number requirements, including length of residency etc.

mikemac1 · 02-01-2012 03:02PM

gigino wrote: »

I do not think people should have been allowed to come here in big numbers and get our unemployment assistance which may be 5 times what they would get in their own country.

They had to work for two years before they were entitled to the dole afaik
Pay into the system and then it supports them for a set time

You don't just arrive in Ireland and claim dole as you have to satisfy habitual residency

This has caught out Irlsh people too returning from a year traveling or working in Australia

gigino, you've a friend in every business, an anecdote for every situation and and started a very popular thread where most of the contributors post more information then you do. This is your thread

gigino · 02-01-2012 03:02PM

Nodin wrote: »

...but why would somebody need to stay in a few of them in a short period of time, given the size of the country?

dear God, you really have led a sheltered life. Supposing someone was a sales rep ? Or doing business in eg Cork and then decided to go for a weekend away in Galway the following weekend ? Or decided to stay for one night in Limerick to visit someone before the rest of the weekend in Kerry ? Would that be allowed according to Herr Nodin ?

You really should get out more and visit a few hotels, instead of stalking people from thread to thread.

mikemac1 · 02-01-2012 03:03PM

gigino wrote: »

Would that be allowed according to Herr Nodin ?

You've just lowered the tone of the thread, well done :rolleyes:

gigino · 02-01-2012 03:05PM

Aseth wrote: »

I find it quite hard to believe that you can just come to a foreign country and apply for a dole :rolleyes:

I am not sure the exact situation there. I was replying to a question someone asked "What about the immigrants on the dole - what is your view of them?"

Nodin · 02-01-2012 03:05PM

gigino wrote: »

dear God, you really have led a sheltered life. Supposing someone was a sales rep ? Or doing business in eg Cork and then decided to go for a weekend away in Galway the following weekend ? Or decided to stay for one night in Limerick to visit someone before the rest of the weekend in Kerry ? Would that be allowed according to Herr Nodin ?

You really should get out more and visit a few hotels, instead of stalking people from thread to thread.

So a sales rep in a small recession hit country has the budget to constantly stay in brand name hotels all the time? Fascinating.

How many hotels did he stay in, precisely?

Was it business or pleasure? What counties were they in?

gigino · 02-01-2012 03:07PM

mikemac1 wrote: »

You've just lowered the tone of the thread, well done :rolleyes:

it was him / her who called me a liar because he/she thought someone could not stay in a few Irish hotels.

Nodin · 02-01-2012 03:07PM

gigino wrote: »

I am not sure the exact situation there. I was replying to a question someone asked "What about the immigrants on the dole - what is your view of them?"

You're "not sure the exact situation"?

This sounds 100% "sure" to me - "I do not think people should have been allowed to come here in big numbers and get our unemployment assistance which may be 5 times what they would get in their own country."

mattjack · 02-01-2012 03:12PM

Anybody know any good hotels to stay in ?

Nodin · 02-01-2012 03:13PM

mattjack wrote: »

Anybody know any good hotels to stay in ?

I'm making inquiries. Will revert.

mikemac1 · 02-01-2012 03:14PM

mattjack wrote: »

Anybody know any good hotels to stay in ?

The OP has a "friend" who knows the best hotels and the OP will share this info soon

mattjack · 02-01-2012 03:15PM

Nodin wrote: »

So a sales rep in a small recession hit country has the budget to constantly stay in brand name hotels all the time? Fascinating.

How many hotels did he stay in, precisely?

Was it business or pleasure? What counties were they in?

Be fair Nodin, his brother probally has a pain in his being quizzed about hotels.

gigino · 02-01-2012 03:15PM

Nodin wrote: »

So a sales rep in a small recession hit country has the budget to constantly stay in brand name hotels all the time? Fascinating.

Nobody said "all the time". I did not say he was a sales rep either. It could have been a roamantic weekend away. Or he could have stayed in a hotel once to vist someone, and a few weeks later stayed at a different hotel after a wedding. Or he could have been the M.D. of a large company on business. Its none of your business in any case....especially as you have been warned about stalking.

You need to get out more. You will find many hotels are doing great offers now.

Why are most hotel workers not Irish ?

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