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You're gonna need that linguistics degree to dig your way outta this one Manuel.

Something doesn't add up ..,

The evidence says the Evra believed that the word used by Suarez meant Niggger , but he now (retrospectively) believes it to mean black .

Yet he then said in his written evidence that he walked up to the ref and said quote: " he just called me black "

The three written statements by the UTD players about Evras state in the dressing room use the word "black" as what Evra said when telling them what had happened .
Not one of them write the word "Niggger" ????

I find that bizarre .

At the time of the incident and directly afterwards (dressing room) Evra believed Suarez called him Niggger ... Yet all statements heard "black "

They are either collaborated statements or Evra was lying about thinking it meant Niggger in the first place .

But again that doesn't tally with his CANEL interview ???as he said he called me the "n" word .

Weird hey ... And all can be read on page 27 section 90 all the way to page 36.

Sorry on phone can't cut and paste .

Mr.Crinklewood wrote: »

manual_man wrote: »

Oh yes it does

Are you Suarez?

No he's just incredibly biased and sees things that aren't there to suit his agenda.

mixednuts wrote: »

Something doesn't add up ..,

The evidence says the Evra believed that the word used by Suarez meant Niggger , but he now (retrospectively) believes it to mean black .

Yet he then said in his written evidence that he walked up to the ref and said quote: " he just called me black "

The three written statements by the UTD players about Evras state in the dressing room use the word "black" as what Evra said when telling them what had happened .
Not one of them write the word "Niggger" ????

I find that bizarre .

At the time of the incident and directly afterwards (dressing room) Evra believed Suarez called him Niggger ... Yet all statements heard "black "

They are either collaborated statements or Evra was lying about thinking it meant Niggger in the first place .

But again that doesn't tally with his CANEL interview ???as he said he called me the "n" word .

Weird hey ... And all can be read on page 27 section 90 all the way to page 36.

Sorry on phone can't cut and paste .

No. Evra was consistent that the word used was Negro, but initially thought it translated to nigg*r but now accepts that it translated to black. It's mostly irrelevant anyway because in the context Suarez was using Negro, it was derogative.

It was not inconsistent evidence from Evra, it was simply a minor translation issue.

This was Nani's account:

Originally poster by Luis Nani

"I cannot remember exactly what Evra said but he was complaining that Suarez had said something racist towards him. He said that Suarez had said that he wouldn't talk to him because he was black. When he said this in English I think he used the word "nigg*r" but in Spanish/Portuguese he used the word "negro" or "preto", I cannot remember exactly which. Evra was also angry that Suarez had not been booked for saying what he did. Evra said something like, "This is a joke. How is it possible that the referee does nothing when he knows what happened?" Evra said that he had told the referee what Suarez said to him."

Blatter wrote: »

No. Evra was consistent that the word used was Negro, but initially thought it translated to ****** but now accepts that it translated to black. It's mostly irrelevant anyway because in the context Suarez was using Negro, it was derogative.

It was not inconsistent evidence from Evra, it was simply a minor translation issue.

This was Nani's account:

Ahh Blatter as much as you would like to think that it's not !

I'm on my second read now of the evidence and it clearly states and quotes statements by Evra , Giggs and the Ref in which ;

a.)Evra walks up to the ref and says "he just called me black". not Niggger black !

b.)Giggs asks Evra what's wrong: "he just called me black". not Niggger black !

c.) Evans , Valencia and other UTD written statements never use the word Niggger. bizarre !

Yet you only conveniently paste Nanis statement which is probably the (IMO) honest of them all .

All can be read in the evidence .. Not my words theirs .

mixednuts wrote: »

Ahh Blatter as much as you would like to think that it's not !

I'm on my second read now of the evidence and it clearly states and quotes statements by Evra , Giggs and the Ref in which ;

a.)Evra walks up to the ref and says "he just called me black not Niggger black !

b.)Giggs asks Evra what's wrong: "he just called me black not Niggger black !

c.) Evans , Valencia and other UTD written statements never use the word Niggger. bizarre !

Yet you only conveniently paste Nanis statement which is probably the (IMO) honest of them all .

All can be read in the evidence .. Not my words theirs .

I read the report earlier and Evra had a reason for not saying n*gger. I'll look for it now.

carlcon wrote: »

The word he used was "negro". That's irrefutable now. When Evra first heard it, his own translation was "the N word". Later, he accepted that the actual transaltion may also be "blacky", "black man", or some other variation of that.

Nobody heard "Black". The word was Negro, as spoken in Spanish. Suarez himself has accepted he said it "to calm Evra down", as if it was a term of endearment.

I went over the exact events, as shown in the report, in fairly explicit detail here: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=76262118&postcount=5489

It's a bit long, but in short; The language experts have said it is definitely a racist/negative term when spoken in an aggressive/antagonising/wind-up way. The video evidence shows that Suarez was trying to antagonise Evra by pinching him and pushing him in the back of the head during the period in which he admits to calling him the word... so that, along with Suarez changing his story 3 times, really helped push the conclusion against Suarez.

Not what I'm on about but go on ...