Why are most hotel workers not Irish ?

gigino · 31-12-2011 01:37AM

Judgement Day wrote: »

Anyway, it taught me one thing and I will never stay in a new (office block/hospital/tax break type) Irish hotel again - or work in one.

lol "It taught you one thing":D:D:D

You think Irish hotels are bad ? Our minimum wage for hotel workers is one of the very highest in the world, if not the very highest. If you go on holidays to any other country in the world I would say that the equivalent staff in the hotel there would be paid less than the hotel worker in Ireland.

So while you may never stay in an Irish hotel again, please be consistent and do not stay in one if you go abroad either. Take your tent or something.

Judgement Day · 31-12-2011 01:48AM

gigino - I didn't mention wages it my post but concentrated on the shambolic, exploitive kip that it was and I specified the certain type of Irish hotel that I would not patronise. You may well be right about hotel wage rates in other countries - I have no knowledge of them - but it was not well paid employment and if it had not been for the degrading system of tipping...

Father Damo · 31-12-2011 01:50AM

freeze4real wrote: »

In fairness the Easter Europeans look way better than the Irish women

They do in my left one. I was stuck working with too many for too long and believe you me Id have far rathered a few more Irish birds there. Yes the occasional one does look like a model (the Slovaks mainly) but theres an awful lot of munters amongst them.

and one can also say that they're very hard working.

My hole they are. They are more willing to do unsociable hours as drinking isnt as much a part of their life as Irish girls but the hard work theory ends there.

IcedOut · 31-12-2011 01:57AM

Why are most hotel workers not Irish ?

Becuase they are foreigners

gigino · 31-12-2011 01:57AM

Judgement Day wrote: »

but it was not well paid employment and if it had not been for the degrading system of tipping...

so you got tips as well as the Irish minimum wage ? Thats a fortune compared to what most people around the world earn. Nobody is saying hotel work in general is very well paid. But its clear that pay and conditions here in Ireland are jobs which some people value and want.

I'm lucky to have travelled a fair bit, and looked at conditions + hotels elsewhere in the world. Sometimes even chatted to staff there etc. Irish hotel staff are not most exploited by a long shot, believe me.;)

K-9 · 31-12-2011 02:06AM

Everybody goes on about the property bubble thinking houses, ghost estates and unfinished apartment blocks but hotels taken over by banks or in NAMA will be a similar long lasting legacy of the "boom".

CERT were complaining about the lack of Irish workers a decade and more ago. In the 80's CERT was seen as a good thing, handy enough qualification and most importantly, hotels and bars paid cash into the hand. That became harder to do so in the 90's so the emphasis was on cheap labour.

I suppose with less cash in hand jobs and more affluent parents, students having to earn a few pound in the local pub, became less of a necessity, so the natural labour pool dried up. I worked for a pound an hour in the 80's and thought £150 for 2 weeks work was amazing, the boss held back the first weeks wages to keep me on my toes! The same £150 he took in in less than a minute at the nightclub door!

Exploitation is endemic in large parts of catering, nothing has changed since the immigrants came in large numbers. Construction replaced catering as the job for cash in hand work or good money. Now there are very few sources for "easy money" other than doing a nixer on the dole. Handy outlet for some to then moan about the Polish girl doing a breakfast shift rather than actually apply and do the exact same work.

mattjack · 31-12-2011 02:06AM

gigino wrote: »

so you got tips as well as the Irish minimum wage ? Thats a fortune compared to what most people around the world earn. Nobody is saying hotel work in general is very well paid. But its clear that pay and conditions here in Ireland are jobs which some people value and want.

I'm lucky to have travelled a fair bit, and looked at conditions + hotels elsewhere in the world. Sometimes even chatted to staff there etc. Irish hotel staff are not most exploited by a long shot, believe me.;)

Are you telling us now that you quiz staff , examine hotels and conditions while abroad ?

Crann na Beatha · 31-12-2011 02:08AM

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Dyr · 31-12-2011 02:08AM

mattjack wrote: »

Are you telling us now that you quiz staff , examine hotels and conditions while abroad ?

Only in second and third world countries, have to make sure your comparisons are totally inaccurate :pac:

Judgement Day · 31-12-2011 02:10AM

gigino is regular little hotel inspector to be sure.

Che 7 · 31-12-2011 02:10AM

Every foreigner in ireland is a wank3r they just sponge off the state and take our jobs they should all be shot like the rats they are

Mod Note: Banned

gigino · 31-12-2011 02:11AM

K-9 wrote: »

Exploitation is endemic in large parts of catering

the people doing the work do not feel they are very exploited as they choose to come here.

gigino · 31-12-2011 02:13AM

Che 7 wrote: »

Every foreigner in ireland is a wank3r they just sponge off the state and take our jobs they should all be shot like the rats they are

that is a racist statement.

I admire all hard workers, be they Irish or foreign.

Che 7 · 31-12-2011 02:14AM

gigino wrote: »

Che 7 wrote: »

Every foreigner in ireland is a wank3r they just sponge off the state and take our jobs they should all be shot like the rats they are

that is a racist statement.

I admire all hard workers, be they Irish or foreign.

Thats what ur ma said

LH Pathe · 31-12-2011 02:15AM

Because the king khan in my pants would rather be serviced by an exotic green lady?

mattjack · 31-12-2011 02:16AM

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mattjack · 31-12-2011 02:16AM

Che 7 wrote: »

Every foreigner in ireland is a wank3r they just sponge off the state and take our jobs they should all be shot like the rats they are

My wife is of Jewish descent and mixed race heritage..I just reported ya..:D

Faith+1 · 31-12-2011 02:18AM

Che 7 wrote: »

Every foreigner in ireland is a wank3r they just sponge off the state and take our jobs they should all be shot like the rats they are

Nice try Troll.

KeithM89_old · 31-12-2011 02:19AM

MrCreeper7 wrote: »

I agree Che is a massive racicst and him and people like him should be removed from the presence of everyone else.:mad:

Banned

noodler · 31-12-2011 02:21AM

gigino wrote: »

And the 500,000 or so unemployed Irish ? Do you think they are too "ambitious, and skilled, so they just would move on if the job doesn't reward them - financially or mentally" ??

315,000 people. Slightly less actually.

http://cso.ie/en/media/csoie/releasespublications/documents/labourmarket/2011/qnhs_q32011.pdf

Judgement Day · 31-12-2011 02:24AM

noodler wrote: »

315,000 people. Slightly less actually.

http://cso.ie/en/media/csoie/releasespublications/documents/labourmarket/2011/qnhs_q32011.pdf

More massaged figures - does this take into account the 40,000+ who are supposed to have emigrated recently.

noodler · 31-12-2011 02:26AM

Judgement Day wrote: »

More massaged figures - does this take into account the 40,000+ who are supposed to have emigrated recently.

Of course not because that is not the definition of unemployed.

There is also nothing "massaged" about the figures, the CSO are an independent body and the QNHS is done by way of survey as is the international standard for measuring unemployment.

31-12-2011 02:27AM

I think that one of the reasons for EE's mainly taking these jobs is the fact that they are prepared to put up with the cheap accommodation that their wages will stretch to, while still having something left over to save or send home. For them, it is only a short term situation.

The wages are simply too low for the average Irish person to be able to live the lifestyle that the average Irish person expects to live.

gigino · 31-12-2011 02:28AM

noodler wrote: »

315,000 people. Slightly less actually.

http://cso.ie/en/media/csoie/releasespublications/documents/labourmarket/2011/qnhs_q32011.pdf

fair enough, I was not sure the exact figure and was also including people on youth training courses etc.

K-9 · 31-12-2011 02:30AM

Judgement Day wrote: »

gigino is regular little hotel inspector to be sure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRJ1y6GBQqE

noodler · 31-12-2011 02:30AM

gigino wrote: »

fair enough, I was not sure the exact figure and was also including people on youth training courses etc.

No worries.

The media do something similar every month when they refer to the 400,000 plus on the Live Register as the numbers unemployed (those figures also include people who work part time and so are not actually unemployed).

gigino · 31-12-2011 02:33AM

Deleted User wrote: »

For them, it is only a short term situation.

The wages are simply too low for the average Irish person to be able to live the lifestyle that the average Irish person expects to live.

Is there something wrong when the Irish minimum wage, although its probably the highest minimum wage in the world, fails to attract a significant number of people ?

mattjack · 31-12-2011 02:43AM

gigino wrote: »

Is there something wrong when the Irish minimum wage, although its probably the highest minimum wage in the world, fails to attract a significant number of people ?

Maybe its cause there's not lots of jobs..

31-12-2011 02:45AM

gigino wrote: »

Is there something wrong when the Irish minimum wage, although its probably the highest minimum wage in the world, fails to attract a significant number of people ?

There probably is! But we're still (currently) a first world country where expectations are high and most people have set minimum standards as to how they are prepared to live.

In general, you can't do that on a hotel wages, but EEs can as their expectations are much lower. They will share rooms in a shared (rented) house and do without cars etc.

31-12-2011 02:49AM

mattjack wrote: »

Maybe its cause there's not lots of jobs..

There's not many jobs, that's right, but still the EEs are filling the jobs in hotels. If there was a real job shortage, most of them would have gone home by now, as it is, they're still taking the jobs that (some of) the Irish won't do.

Why are most hotel workers not Irish ?

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