Katie Taylor. Do you think you could beat her in a fight?

enfant terrible · 28-12-2011 03:26AM

cassi wrote: »

Yeah but this thread isn't about boxing vs other fighting styles, thats a whole different story. Its about could any poster here beat Katie Taylor in a fight, which I'm still confident the answer is no.

Also Liamario, Im pretty sure shes taller than 5'4, As far as I know shes about 5'8, 5'9ish!

The point is being good at boxing doesn't mean you can knock guys out at will.

The best boxers in the world can't do it against guys their own size, so how in the world is Katie Taylor supposed to stop a guy twice her size rushing her.

Not being sexist either a top female mma fighter would be a whole different story.

Liamario · 28-12-2011 03:32AM

cassi wrote: »

Also Liamario, Im pretty sure shes taller than 5'4, As far as I know shes about 5'8, 5'9ish!

We're both wrong, she's 5'7. Her height was never going to be the problem anyways.
I think some people are under the illusion that Katie is a super hero or something who could knock out an elephant with an uppercut. The reality is, she's just a boxer, not Kung fu jesus.

mickydoomsux · 28-12-2011 03:34AM

efb wrote: »

Toney was never p4p so how can you describe him as an all time great???

He failed a drugs test and went off to mma- nothing to be impressed with

He was a multi-time pro-boxing champ and he got obliterated by a 47 year old MMA guy in the twilight of his career in exactly the manner everyone with half a brain predicted. He got taken down and hammered into submission. This will happen every time a boxer fights an MMA fighter unless the MMA guy is stupid enough to try to knock out the boxer on his feet.

Boxers are good at boxing. MMA fighters are good at fighting.

Put Katie Taylor against a middling female MMA practitioner under MMA rules and she will lose horribly because boxing only works if the other person uses boxing exclusively.

Liamario · 28-12-2011 03:34AM

enfant terrible wrote: »

The point is being good at boxing doesn't mean you can knock guys out at will.

The best boxers in the world can't do it against guys their own size, so how in the world is Katie Taylor supposed to stop a guy twice her size rushing her.

Not being sexist either a top female mma fighter would be a whole different story.

Couldn't agree more. When she picks up MMA, I might have to cancel the bout.

colly10 · 28-12-2011 03:36AM

enfant terrible wrote: »

The point is being good at boxing doesn't mean you can knock guys out at will.

The best boxers in the world can't do it against guys their own size, so how in the world is Katie Taylor supposed to stop a guy twice her size rushing her

Only some boxers can't knockout with 1 shot, but there facing top pro's and wearing 8 - 10 oz gloves. Alot of these guys have stopped lower class opponents earlier in their career.
When your on the street with no gloves against a guy who leaves his chin exposed, walks onto shots and flinches if/when he see's them coming and doesn't have the reactions so gets hit flush, it's a different story.

cassi · 28-12-2011 03:37AM

enfant terrible wrote: »

The point is being good at boxing doesn't mean you can knock guys out at will.

I don't dispute this.

The best boxers in the world can't do it against guys their own size, so how in the world is Katie Taylor supposed to stop a guy twice her size rushing her.

They can't do it against men their own sizes, who are also experts in another form of combative sport. Katie being a top athlete vs an average guy I'd imagine she'd use her years of training in reading moves, agility, speed, ability to keep a cool head, forsight and her strength.

Not being sexist either a top female mma fighter would be a whole different story.

Would just like to point out I don't think you're being sexiest at all, you posts haven't come off as such.

mickydoomsux · 28-12-2011 03:41AM

colly10 wrote: »

Only some boxers can't knockout with 1 shot, but there facing top pro's and wearing 8 - 10 oz gloves. Alot of these guys have stopped lower class opponents earlier in their career.
When your on the street with no gloves against a guy who leaves his chin exposed, walks onto shots and flinches if/when he see's them coming and doesn't have the reactions so gets hit flush, it's a different story.

In that situation you break your hand. Boxing gloves are designed to make fights longer by stopping guys from busting up their hands quickly so they can swing harder for longer.

colly10 · 28-12-2011 03:42AM

mickydoomsux wrote: »

He was a multi-time pro-boxing champ

A long time ago, do you think he looked anything like that in his prime, he weighed in at 237, he was 167 when he fought Jones
Actually have you ever watched the guy in his prime, it would be fairly obvious that even then his skills wouldn't transfer

Chucky the tree · 28-12-2011 03:43AM

enfant terrible wrote: »

The point is being good at boxing doesn't mean you can knock guys out at will.

The best boxers in the world can't do it against guys their own size, so how in the world is Katie Taylor supposed to stop a guy twice her size rushing her.

Not being sexist either a top female mma fighter would be a whole different story.

The point being made is because Randy Coutre and other proffessional MMA fighters can tackle someone easily then your average person could do the exact same. It's ridiculous really.

efb · 28-12-2011 03:44AM

enfant terrible wrote: »

Middleweight, Super Middleweight, and Cruiserweigh champion and knocked out Evander Holyfield.

Sounds impressive to me.

IBF titles only

colly10 · 28-12-2011 03:47AM

mickydoomsux wrote: »

In that situation you break your hand. Boxing gloves are designed to make fights longer by stopping guys from busting up their hands quickly so they can swing harder for longer.

True enough, happened to a guy in my old club, was attacked and fractured a bone in his hand when he landed but the guy who attacked him didn't jump up for seconds, he wasn't a puncher either

Norwayviking · 28-12-2011 03:53AM

Still not a pro yet.
When she becomes one she has to face Cecilia Brækhus.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cecilia_Br%C3%A6khus

And many other good fighters.

ceegee · 28-12-2011 04:05AM

Norwayviking wrote: »

Still not a pro yet.
When she becomes one she has to face Cecilia Brækhus.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cecilia_Br%C3%A6khus

And many other good fighters.

Wouldnt Taylor be in a lower weight division than welterweight?

Norwayviking · 28-12-2011 04:12AM

ceegee wrote: »

Wouldnt Taylor be in a lower weight division than welterweight?

Light welterweight women 60-64kg
Welterweight women 64-69kg

enfant terrible · 28-12-2011 04:24AM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

The point being made is because Randy Coutre and other proffessional MMA fighters can tackle someone easily then your average person could do the exact same. It's ridiculous really.

So you don't think an average guy who is twice the size of Katie Taylor couldn't take her down.

Tackling someone half the size of you is not so hard, give it a try.

Has she got a good sprawl we don't know about.

mathepac · 28-12-2011 04:37AM

Norwayviking wrote: »

... When she becomes one she has to face Cecilia Brækhus. ....

She won't turn pro.

focus_mad · 28-12-2011 04:43AM

It depends on a few things I suppose...

How agile / fit are ya?
Can you throw a punch / take a punch?

I haven't trained in a good while now but I have a long enough reach that I could connect before she got too close but then she would be able to get in under me arm as I'm 6 ft 3" in me bare feet. But if I connected I'd do damage as I'm 18 stone

Norwayviking · 28-12-2011 04:43AM

mathepac wrote: »

She won't turn pro.

How do you know????
Such a talented boxer,and not turning pro??
Cant see why she shouldnt give it a shot at the title

LH Pathe · 28-12-2011 04:44AM

I'd bate the ****e ouh'ta her arse

Chucky the tree · 28-12-2011 05:36AM

enfant terrible wrote: »

So you don't think an average guy who is twice the size of Katie Taylor couldn't take her down.

Tackling someone half the size of you is not so hard, give it a try.

Has she got a good sprawl we don't know about.

It is when they are a trained athlete. There reflexes and re-actions will be far quicker then mine. I think the average person would be to slow to be able to tackle someone without them telegraphing it a mile off. Also you only have one chance to do it and if you get it wrong and miss then you are in serious trouble.

pickarooney · 28-12-2011 09:21AM

Liamario wrote: »

It wouldn't take long to get close enough to grab her (unless we were in a field). She wouldn't get tired. But she'd have to get close to me to hit me. I'm at an average level of fitness; but let's not forget that she's a boxer not a wrestler. She's nearly a foot smaller and probably half the weight. She would have to keep her distance and I'd have to keep myself covered as I go into her. I wouldn't approach her slowly. I'd get close to her, take a few punches from her and then tie her arms up. She'd be done, I'd have a few bruises, but she'd have to be fairly strong to move me as dead weight, let alone with me putting up resistance.

That would be the reality of it Cassi. It's not confidence. It wouldn't be easy by any stretch, but the fastest boxer in the world can't stop someone from getting in close enough for someone to grab them. Once I've grabbed her, brought her down, she's done.

Please don't take this as me boasting, I'm looking at this as realistically as possible. I'd be avoiding a boxing match at all costs. All she would have is her punches and with no way to swing her arms, she's all out of weapons.

Rubbish man. You'd be on the floor holding your nutsack before you could move your arms. I mean, have you seen her kick? She's an international footballer on top of everything else.

Auvers · 28-12-2011 09:49AM

being 6ft 5 and weighing 18 stone, I would fancy my chances :pac:

arybvtcw0eolkf · 28-12-2011 10:27AM

enfant terrible wrote: »

Kung Fu is a martial art that is practiced without Contact

You don't know what kung fu is.

KTRIC · 28-12-2011 10:49AM

Auvers wrote: »

being 6ft 5 and weighing 18 stone, I would fancy my chances :pac:

She'd still knock the shite out of you, I feel sorry for you if you think otherwise.

Auvers · 28-12-2011 10:59AM

KTRIC wrote: »

She'd still knock the shite out of you, I feel sorry for you if you think otherwise.

indeed you really know about me from a two line post :pac:

I would fancy my chances, all the speed in the world doesn't matter when you can take the punches of a lightweight

arybvtcw0eolkf · 28-12-2011 11:05AM

Liamario wrote: »

People have a lot of respect for her and her talent and are perhaps putting on her a pedestal that's slightly too high.
She's definitely a force to be reckoned with, as long as she stays away from street fighting with men twice her size in temple bar

And whats your experience of men (or anyone) fighting in Templebar?.

Auvers wrote: »

I would fancy my chances, all the speed in the world doesn't matter when you can take the punches of a lightweight

You think lightweights don't hit hard?.

Auvers · 28-12-2011 11:18AM

Kolten Eager Tailor wrote: »

You think lightweights don't hit hard?.

yes they can but every hit is not going to reach its target and I have sparred with lads with Katie's build and I don't think they ever got on my inside

arybvtcw0eolkf · 28-12-2011 11:23AM

Auvers wrote: »

yes they can but every hit is not going to reach its target and I have sparred with lads with Katie's build and I don't think they ever got on my inside

Are you, or were they boxer's?.

leonidas83 · 28-12-2011 11:30AM

Their isnt a straight guy here who wouldnt relish the chance of getting up close and sweaty with Katie Taylor but beating her in a fight would be a tough ask as shes too bloody nice

Mint Sauce · 28-12-2011 11:35AM

Kevin Duffy wrote: »

In an amatuer boxing match, under rules, not a fúcking chance. I boxed for a long time and I'm still pretty fit and fast, with a huge reach and weight advantage, but I doubt I'd land a clean shot in 3 rounds while she'd pick me off at will. We mostly don't realise in this country just how good she is. In comparative terms, she's Tiger Woods, Brian 'Driscoll or Messi. Possibly our greatest performer ever, technical, focussed, fast, durable and no sign of losing the run of herself or getting overconfident. 11 Euro titles and 3 World's. Incredible boxer. When you know what you're watching, her quality is dizzying.

I love football, but in a choice between seeing her make history and going to Poland, I've decided on London.

And with no rules?

;-)

Katie Taylor. Do you think you could beat her in a fight?

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