Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12 - Mod Note 4153

We still have an outside chance of 4th but these lads need to find their shooting boots.

Gerrard's injuries have been devastating to us this year. He would have scored a few of those pens and maybe one or two from general play as well. It could all have been worth at least 6 points extra to us

Fowler87 wrote: »

No it was the missed header that riled me. I twas an open goal FFS and he puts it wide:rolleyes:

Its gonna be a big ask to make CL now. Ya cant keep dropping points at HOME against Swansea, Norwich, Sunderland and now Blackburn:mad:

I'm not even thinking about the CL to be honest because at this stage we're just going backwards.

ShamoBuc wrote: »

So, another 2 points dropped at home.
Too many players not playing up to standard expected from them.
Something has to change and Kenny needs to do it now!

A 40m swoop for Chris Brunt and we'll be back up there.

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

I'm not even thinking about the CL to be honest because at this stage we're just going backwards.

The season sort of reminds me off 08/09 though with all the draws but lack of goals for the first part of the season. Lets hope the 2nd half of this season will be of similar vein...

FlawedGenius wrote: »

Terrible. King Kenny out. Carrol worst signing ever for that money!:mad:

Oh Jesus.

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

Just thinking Suarez might as well have just taken the ban.

He missed a open goal too which was perhaps easier chance than Carrolls. Wish we had a goalscorer again:(

this is not going to end well.

Kenny is showing serious signs of being tactically inept. Clarke has made a good go at shoring up our defence, but the management teams attempt at having a "plan B" and "plan c" and adjusting and adapting our attacking formation mid game is terrible.

But more worringly their judgement of players is not up to it, and we aswell just call a spade a spade on that one.

Adam, Henderson, Downing, Carroll, lets not piss about waiting for it to click. Those names are not up to it no matter how much one feels the need to bury their heads in the sand.

And we can ****e on about transfer fees not being important, and players mentioned not being responsible for their cost, or whatever reasoning people may want to use to square it in their own heads.

£80million is what the above 4 players cost us and that is absolutely shocking. SHOCKING.

And sadly it continues the tradition of Liverpool FC blowing crazy amounts of money on either dross, or B level players.

But no doubt Kenny will get adequate time, as our fans always tend to hero worship our managers until the inevitable happens and we are forced to accept that they are just no up to it in essence.

Jayob10 wrote: »

this is not going to end well.

Kenny is showing serious signs of being tactically inept. Clarke has made a good go at shoring up our defence, but the management teams attempt at having a "plan B" and "plan c" and adjusting and adapting our attacking formation mid game is terrible.

But more worringly their judgement of players is not up to it, and we aswell just call a spade a spade on that one.

Adam, Henderson, Downing, Carroll, lets not piss about waiting for it to click. Those names are not up to it no matter how much one feels the need to bury their heads in the sand.

And we can ****e on about transfer fees not being important, and players mentioned not being responsible for their cost, or whatever reasoning people may want to use to square it in their own heads.

£80million is what the above 4 players cost us and that is absolutely shocking. SHOCKING.

And sadly it continues the tradition of Liverpool FC blowing crazy amounts of money on either dross, or B level players.

But no doubt Kenny will get adequate time, as our fans always tend to hero worship our managers until the inevitable happens and we are forced to accept that they are just no up to it in essence.

Unfortunately i agree.

FlawedGenius wrote: »

Terrible. King Kenny out. Carrol worst signing ever for that money!:mad:

Watched a stream and don't like basing my opinion completely on that as the quality was so so but Carroll seemed to do ok - certainly had a few decent chances.

I would be more than happy for him to have an extended run in the team to be honest.

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

Watched a stream and don't like basing my opinion completely on that as the quality was so so but Carroll seemed to do ok - certainly had a few decent chances.

I would be more than happy for him to have an extended run in the team to be honest.

Carroll's the easy target. Suarez isn't scoring much either.

as for the Carroll thing,

18 PL goals in like 55 PL games incl substitutions, which is just a little over 1 in 3

Majority of those were with a newcastle side that couldn't really attack.

Now I'm not a massive Carroll fan but seriously he's 22 years of age, playing for one of the biggest clubs in the world for that teams record transfer fee.

I do think the treatment of Carroll is very unfair. What are people exactly expecting in his first proper season, he's a youngfella for christ sake.


Just after doing a little bit of Maths there and see Dwight Yorkes career premier league goalscoring record is 123 in 373, i know its a poor comparison but it gives a little perspective given he was good and played in one of the best sides in premier league history for 2 years

Jayob10 wrote: »

But no doubt Kenny will get adequate time, as our fans always tend to hero worship our managers until the inevitable happens and we are forced to accept that they are just no up to it in essence.

I didn't find that with Hodgson. I found that Liverpool fans were all to quick to bring out the knives when they felt their manager wasn't up to it.

With any luck, the fact that it's King Kenny will mean he is somewhat immune from the incredibly impatience that I find players, owners and worst of all fans have with new managers these days.

Players like Carroll, Henderson, Adam and Downing were bought for the long-term, not the 5 month period. Ignore the prices paid for them, that's irrelevant now. They are in your squad, and all of them have shown a lot of potential in their careers and can go on to be very good players, if given faith and time to develop. Think of how people responded to Lucas, and think of him now. That's what can happen if young players are let develop.

Steve Clarke or Kenny has done wonders on the defence, with a set of players who imo are just above average, he's got the tightest defense in the league.

It's easy to look back on Rafa's time as a golden age, not least because you were winning things. But imo, by the time he had left the club, irrespective of his impressive achievements while there, the squad was in serious need of re-building.

Hodgson started that process, and was given little to no patience. Then he was replaced by Kenny, who did very well to get the squad to 6th in the league. Now, that's where you are sitting fairly comfortably. 3 points behind Chelsea, who have a much better squad again. Possibly 5 off Arsenal.

Liverpool are not challenging for the title. They will not challenge for the title next season either. However, I'd fully expect them to be in the Europa Cup next season, and fully expect them to be challenging hard for the top 4 in that season. Then, maybe then, the players like Suarez, Carroll, Downing, Henderson, Lucas, Skrtel, Enrique, Reina will be added with another 5-6 players, and then will have a really impressive team that can do something.

Small clubs give managers no time. Panic from one manager to the next, and while maybe maintaining this position, never really progress much. Big clubs make their decision and stick with it. Live with the fact that it could go badly, but it could go well. When you make the right decision, stick with it, it has the potential to win the league. Nothing else does.

p.s. Anyone who trots out the line that Carroll cost 35 million and therefore should be amazing is being silly. Carroll cost Torres - 15 million. If Torres had gone for 40, Carroll would have cost 25. For Liverpool, it's irrelevant what he cost. Ultimately, you got him for Torres + 15. That's the price that should be talked about.

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

Carroll's the easy target. Suarez isn't scoring much either.

Suarez has become the martyr though. He is untouchable now in terms of constructive criticism from 85% of our fans, by virtue of the unjust racism ban.

He has been poor for 4-5 games. 5 goals and 3 assists in the league isn't exactly a world class return considering the team is being set up to play to his strengths.

Poor finishing and being excessively selfish isn't a good combination, but we will see a different Suarez with better attacking quality around him.

PHB wrote: »

I Carroll cost Torres - 15 million. If Torres had gone for 40, Carroll would have cost 25. For Liverpool, it's irrelevant what he cost. Ultimately, you got him for Torres + 15. That's the price that should be talked about.

I really expected better from you PHB. This is the kind of retarded economics that gets spouted out by the clueless on here. We could have taken the £50m from Chelsea for Torres and not spent it on Carroll.

The club may well have used the asking price for Carroll to set the price for Torres - but that doesnt change the fact that we spent £35m of the clubs money, in cash, on Carroll. That is what he cost.