Racism - Mod Note on 1st Post - Read before posting.

cambo2008 wrote: »

opr wrote: »

cambo2008 wrote: »

You will take his unbiased word because it suits you,if he came on and said it was more than likely offensive would you so readily accept it???

I am saying it is unbiased because he doesn't support a soccer team or give a dam about Suarez.

Opr

I've heard an Argentinian sports reporter on newstalks off the ball show who originally came on defending Suarez saying it was a friendly term,concede that it could also be used as an insult in certain circumstances.

After some questioning about the incident he ended up saying it probably was offensive given the nature of the exchange.

This lad had no agenda so should we take his word for it aswell???

Read what I said. The word alone has no offense in my opinion and how I was brought up around its usage. However if you add more to it such negrito de mierda or puto negrito etc it is used offensivey. And I also mentioned i didn't hear the exchange of words so I won't comment on an assumption. Which is what that Argentine sports reporter done when he said 'probably'. Nobody knows the exact conversation that took place so it's strange that a lot of people are acting like they do.

J. Marston wrote: »

There has been a brilliant website set up today that is trying to post the details of and expose the people abusing Collymore and calling Evra the N word. They've already tracked down one guy and have sent an e-mail to his college highlighting his racist behaviour. Not sure what it will achieve but at least it exposes these people. I would post a link but the guy they exposed is from Ireland so I dunno what the deal is with that.

That's good to hear unfortunaetly I don't know if they can be prosecuted in Ireland for saying that but some form of punishment needs to be sorted.

J. Marston wrote: »

There has been a brilliant website set up today that is trying to post the details of and expose the people abusing Collymore and calling Evra the N word. They've already tracked down one guy and have sent an e-mail to his college highlighting his racist behaviour. Not sure what it will achieve but at least it exposes these people. I would post a link but the guy they exposed is from Ireland so I dunno what the deal is with that.

I'd also say you could put up the website as well there because Everyone can just go through Collymore's favourite tweets anyway and see the guy that says he's from Ireland:cool:

everdead.ie wrote: »

I'd also say you could put up the website as well there because Everyone can just go through Collymore's favourite tweets anyway and see the guy that says he's from Ireland:cool:

Took a look for his Twitter account but it says this account doesn't exist and his name has disappeared from Collymore's Tweet list. But the website has a screenshot of an e-mail that they sent to the guy's college and within that e-mail there is a screenshot of the guy's Twitter page but it's blurred out.

http://www.liverpool-kop.com/2011/12/suarez-why-its-liverpool-fcs-fault-if.html

IMO well written article.

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

I'm not talking about suarez, I'm talking about the word negrito, which we don't even know if it was used.

Any sort of verbal attack prefaced by "****ing...." should be subject to punishment under the same laws the FA highlighted in their ruling. Unfortunately, they never did before and some particularly high profile PL players can be seen and heard to say it week in week out, sometimes to officials....always went unpunished though.

ROCKMAN wrote: »

El Horseboxo wrote: »

If I was talking to him in English or Spanish? That's an important aspect because if it was in English, to me that's the only context I can see that would make it appear going out of your way to address his skin color or race. But if it was in Spanish it would be something that could come out without me even thinking bout it. Sort of in the same way an Irish person might say craic to somebody that they probably know very well doesn't understand that word if they stopped to think before saying it. Granted that's not a offensive word. The point I'm trying to make is if it's a word you are used to saying it can naturally come out in the flow of a conversation and you won't have pre thought about using it. It just happens. If I mentioned negrito to a black guy in a pub and he expressed offense. I would instantly apologize and explain why I used it. I don't know what conversation took place between Suárez and Evra so I won't guess or comment on the nature of it.

Not getting involved in the overall debate ,will wait for the full report ,

But if the word was not used in a conversation but in an heated argument would the use and meaning of the word change ,would it still flow or would you be more aware of its use ,

You could use it in a heated argument and the meaning of the word wouldn't change. One instance would be something like 'que pasa negrito. eres estúpido? ' which is like what's up man [of dark skin] are you stupid? I say dark skin because dark skinned Latinos can be called negrito too as I was.

But I'll say again I don't have a transcript of the conversation so I can't say what Suárez meant. I only posted because there was a lot of wrong stuff being attributed to the word.

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

That's fair enough, but I'm not interested in the fa either, I'm just asking if ''you f_cking negrito'' can be perceived as a racial slur.

My own opinion is that if a natural Spanish speaker wanted to make a racial slur that went along the lines of how "fcuking n*gg*r" would be a highly offensive racial slur in english, negrito would not be the most obvious word to use for that purpose, but negrito would work quite well in a sarky/narky manner. To actually translate the english insult you mentioned directly into Spanish would not work as it would not translate properly.

It's when things get translated into english in the most literal manner that things take on a different meaning to how the same words would be taken in their original form.

But until the FA actually get around to actually publishing the finer details in terms of what exactly was said, we are all guessing to a large degree.

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

Didn't Suarez himself admit to using the word? How is this still in doubt :S

The only tv interview given by Suarez since the incident and it's translation into English is further back in this thread. Suarez never confirmed what the actual word was, he just said it was a word that some of Evra's own teammates were using when they spoke to him, and that he did not make a racist comment to Evra.


The only outlets that had it as being "confirmed" that Suarez admitted to saying one word or another were those in the English media. Until the FA state what the word was exactly the rest of us are guessing.