Racism - Mod Note on 1st Post - Read before posting.

Giggsy11 · 23-12-2011 12:03PM

SlickRic wrote: »

but i have to draw the line at the literally dozens of people using it as a reason to call Luis Suarez a racist. it's pathetic. it's lazy. and it's quite simply a false accusation.

Luis Suarez has not been found guilty of being racist...he's been found guilty of making making a racial slur.

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Not only missed by fans, but also by players.

Liverpool players have defended their collective decision to wear the T-shirts at Wigan. José Reina said: "He has our full support. We were together from the very first minute of the allegations and [the T-shirts] were the minimum we can do for him. I am 100% he is not racist and he has been accused of racism. We want him and everyone to know we are right behind our team-mate because he is a lovely guy and he has been crucified by some people and it is not fair. Eight games is not even close to being fair."

Looks like even Reina didn't get for what Suarez was charged.

Sappy404 · 23-12-2011 12:04PM

abouttobebanned wrote: »

Christ. I really feel sorry for supporters of any team but man utd and Liverpool. They must really be fed up of the same old crap recycled over and over. This ain't a Suarez/Evra thing. It's a man utd/pool thing

Don't forget John Terry!

Nalz · 23-12-2011 12:05PM

Daglish on the criticism of wearing the t-shirts

"Club have made their statement, Players have made their statements both verbally and visually and I come back to what I've said before... I think its best for everyone to wait and see what the written verdict is because nobody knows not even us"

Fergie

"not a thing to say about it"

Vudgie · 23-12-2011 12:07PM

Blatter wrote: »

Outspokenness is probably a better word to use.

Maybe he was truly speaking from the heart, but you have to take whatever he says with a pinch of salt due to his position at the club and the connections he has there.

Outburst?

Your use of this word, even though you have now back tracked, is quite telling and illustrates where you are coming from on this matter.

Nalz · 23-12-2011 12:08PM

Vudgie wrote: »

Outburst?

Your use of this word, even though you have now back tracked, is quite telling and illustrates where you are coming from on this matter.

Right ok Blatter used the word "Outburst"

move on!

Blatter · 23-12-2011 12:09PM

Kess73 wrote: »

Outburst?!?!?! LMFAO at that.

If there was one man who, based on how he personally dealt with racism from fans in England and on how he has spoken on the topic for about the last 25 years, I would not have any doubt over his motives and sincerity it would be John Barnes.

Ya already said above, outburst is the wrong word.

His motives may have indeed been honest, but I doubt that the majority of people will take his words with anything more than a pinch of salt given his position at the club.

It would be more powerful if that statement came from a reputable outsider.(And maybe it will once The FA's report is released)

Kess73 · 23-12-2011 12:12PM

Blatter wrote: »

Ya already said above, outburst is the wrong word.

His motives may have indeed been honest, but I doubt that the majority of people will take his words with anything more than a pinch of salt given his position at the club.

It would be more powerful if that statement came from a reputable outsider.(And maybe it will once The FA's report is released)

Just curious if you actually know his position at the club. What would his official title or position be as an official Liverpool football club employee?

Blatter · 23-12-2011 12:17PM

Vudgie wrote: »

Outburst?

Your use of this word, even though you have now back tracked, is quite telling and illustrates where you are coming from on this matter.

I was looking for a word that described the aggressiveness of Barnes' thoughts and picked the wrong one, admitted it and changed it.

Move on.

Kess73 wrote: »

Just curious if you actually know his position at the club. What would his official title or position be as an official Liverpool football club employee?

President of Liverpool's Disabled Supporters Association.

SlickRic · 23-12-2011 12:18PM

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Not only missed by fans, but also by players.

Looks like even Reina didn't get for what Suarez was charged.

true, and he should have worded it better.

it's an emotive subject though, he's defending his friend and teammate, and as i said in my post, the FA have left it open since there was no explanation accompanying the verdict, that this is how most people will see it.

The Sparrow wrote: »

How many racial slurs does it take before someone becomes a racist?

one culturally specific comment that transfers badly to Europe does not a racist make.

do you believe he's a racist? or do you believe he made an ignorant mistake for which he should be punished? do you think he deserves the label of a racist for the rest of his career for making a stupid, culturally specific comment that transfers badly?

that seems more than a little harsh if you do.

as i said, i don't think the verdict is the actual issue. it's the fact that he is now a racist in the eyes of many people.

mike65 · 23-12-2011 12:31PM

England Hero John Terry Stands Tall

Hmmmm.

Will I Amnt · 23-12-2011 12:37PM

mike65 wrote: »

England Hero John Terry Stands Tall

Hmmmm.

That's a terrible article,they make him out to be some kind of hero

The pro English bias in these situations is not on.

Mr Alan · 23-12-2011 12:38PM

Trilla wrote: »

Daglish on the criticism of wearing the t-shirts

"Club have made their statement, Players have made their statements both verbally and visually and I come back to what I've said before... I think its best for everyone to wait and see what the written verdict is because nobody knows not even us"

Fergie

"not a thing to say about it"

Are you really trying to paint Ferguson as some sort of well behaved gent?

Le King · 23-12-2011 12:38PM

The Sparrow wrote: »

SlickRic wrote: »

Luis Suarez has not been found guilty of being racist...he's been found guilty of making making a racial slur.

How many racial slurs does it take before someone becomes a racist?

This.

Not saying that he is a racist person. But you can easily argue that he is a racist.

Mr Alan · 23-12-2011 12:41PM

cambo2008 wrote: »

That's a terrible article,they make him out to be some kind of hero
The pro English bias in these situations is not on.

It's laughable alright.

Not surprising though.

Kess73 · 23-12-2011 12:44PM

Blatter wrote: »

President of Liverpool's Disabled Supporters Association.

That's the one. Then you are aware that the role does not simply make him just a Liverpool football club employee given the LDSA's membership with the National Association of Disabled Supporters.

John Barnes is a guy whose opinion on racism I would sit up and listen to every time. Given how passionate and reasoned he has been in his opinions on racism all his career, I really don't think that the man would say anything on the topic that he did not believe 100% himself just because the club wanted him to. Maybe I would be sceptical of other ex LFC players if they came out and passed comment, but not Digger. Even as a Liverpool player he came out and said what he thought in a very clear and concise manner, and what he said in his recent interview pretty much matches up with some of what he has said before on racism, so for me he is just being consistent with what he has said years ago rather than being the club's mouthpiece.

It was only a few weeks ago that in the LFC superthread I spoke about John Barnes and how his dignified way of dealing with racism throughout his career would make him a great role model, imho of course, for many of today's players who deal with the same problem, and there is no way I think the guy would compromise his own core values for a cheap PR stunt.

_blank_ · 23-12-2011 12:48PM

Yeah, there's no way Barnes is toeing some party line.

SlickRic · 23-12-2011 12:49PM

Le King wrote: »

This.

Not saying that he is a racist person. But you can easily argue that he is a racist.

yeah you could.

but seen as he seems to be used to using the term where he's come from in a non-offensive way, and he seems to have made the mistake of using the term to wind someone up, in a place where people aren't used to the term, then i severely doubt it.

but it suits you, i'd imagine, to be able to outright label him a racist. that's fine.

i love the way, for some, there just isn't any wiggle room, and there is no chance that he could actually just have a made a mistake, for which he should be punished, but where the crime should be clarified, and it may not be as horrendous as him just being an outright racist person. it boggles the mind.

for some, the FA, conveniently, have got this smack on the money for a change...and Liverpool fans are ridiculed for believing there may be something more to it than simply the verdict they've handed down from on high.

fascinating.

as i say, i'm thankful for those who at least try hide their bias, or who see this somewhat from a Liverpool/Suarez point of view, no matter how embarrassing some of what the club have done is.

opr · 23-12-2011 12:52PM

mike65 wrote: »

England Hero John Terry Stands Tall

Hmmmm.

Wow . . . You have to bloody kidding ? People think we are paranoid!

Opr

Blatter · 23-12-2011 12:54PM

Kess73 wrote: »

That's the one. Then you are aware that the role does not simply make him just a Liverpool football club employee given the LDSA's membership with the National Association of Disabled Supporters.

John Barnes is a guy whose opinion on racism I would sit up and listen to every time. Given how passionate and reasoned he has been in his opinions on racism all his career, I really don't think that the man would say anything on the topic that he did not believe 100% himself just because the club wanted him to. Maybe I would be sceptical of other ex LFC players if they came out and passed comment, but not Digger. Even as a Liverpool player he came out and said what he thought in a very clear and concise manner, and what he said in his recent interview pretty much matches up with some of what he has said before on racism, so for me he is just being consistent with what he has said years ago rather than being the club's mouthpiece.

It was only a few weeks ago that in the LFC superthread I spoke about John Barnes and how his dignified way of dealing with racism throughout his career would make him a great role model, imho of course, for many of today's players who deal with the same problem, and there is no way I think the guy would compromise his own core values for a cheap PR stunt.

That's fair enough and I'll take your word on that as I wasn't that familiar myself with Barnes' past stances on racism.

However, I do feel that pubic figures from the game like him and McGrath should wait until the FA's report emerges before passing comment on the situation.

Even Dalglish this morning said;

"The club have issued the statement, the players have issued their statement visually and verbally, but we have to wait for the written report because no-one knows [what it contains].''

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/16315781.stm

Kess73 · 23-12-2011 12:59PM

Le King wrote: »

This.

Not saying that he is a racist person. But you can easily argue that he is a racist.

Totally agree with this, however until the report gets published it is difficult to say how easy that point would be to argue accurately.

The report could show evidence that makes it a watertight arguement that Suarez did indeed say something in a racist manner and meant to do so in order to offend. In which case he could be rightly condemned for doing something that has no place in society.

But if the published evidence is in any way shakey, very open to interpretation, or worse leaves lots of room for reasonable doubt, then there is a very real chance that a wrong verdict was reached and as such the current verdict would have to be fought.

What does bother me is the fact that the FA are unable to publish their findings despite being able to present a verdict, and if the FA media release is correct they may not be able to have the report on the case ready to publish until Febuary, maybe March, of next year. In a case like this where they have already reached a verdict, I think they should have had something ready to publish publicly fairly quickly after announcing the verdict publically. It would have quashed a lot of arguements against the verdict and would have clearly stated why the verdict was reached.

quarryman · 23-12-2011 12:59PM

SlickRic wrote: »

need to get a few things off the aul' chest...

first of all, thanks to the posters on both sides of the divide (and neutrals of course!) that have remained as impartial and as fair as they can. there are a few of you, and you have furthered my thinking on the situation no end. the likes of Blatter and Tommyhaas just to single a couple out. but there's a few of you.

however, the moral highground taken my some on the anti-Liverpool side is absolutely laughable. yes, Liverpool have brought a lot of shít on themselves, and i think deserve a bit of stick, for the whining, quite childish sounding statement the other day. but that is one thing. this, along with the verdict, have given anti-Liverpool people all the ammo they need to go on a tirade against the club. in a sense, that's fine, it's football tribalism.

but i have to draw the line at the literally dozens of people using it as a reason to call Luis Suarez a racist. it's pathetic. it's lazy. and it's quite simply a false accusation.

Luis Suarez has not been found guilty of being racist...he's been found guilty of making making a racial slur.

now, i don't know if people are purposely missing the point, and i don't know if people are too dumb or ignorant to differentiate. but all the stuff that has come to light so far has seemed to point to the fact that it was an off-the-cuff, stupid, wrong remark by Suarez to make at that time. nothing more, nothing less. he's not a founder member of the KKK. he made reference to another man's skin colour in a phrase that is common in his native country. one he shouldn't have used, but ho hum, he did, and is learning the hard way that you cannot do that on this side of the world.

those who will continue to call him a racist are, quite simply, as bad, if not worse than those who are saying that he's done absolutely nothing wrong.

the whole thing is an absolute, grade-A farce at this stage. the t-shirts were cringeworthy, and someone in the PR department at Anfield needs to be unceremoniously fired for that. pro-Suarez shirts? fúcking hell. as has been said, anti-racism shirts would have made a far better statement.

also, i've no problem with Utd fans taking a heightened interest in this. we're rivals, and it involves their player. it's natural.

but the issue Liverpool FC, and the fans, have...even though it's been communicated terribly by the former in particular...is the label that will now be attached to Suarez for the rest of his career. that is the issue.

i guarantee you it's not the verdict itself. i guarantee you it's not even the ban. it's the fact that he is now labelled a racist without clarification from the FA, publicly, on the reasoning behind the verdict. because at the moment, he looks like a racist to the common viewer. Liverpool may have gone about it in a way that is easily ridiculed, and i wished they'd done something different, but i understand their passion for making sure his name is cleared.

those from both sides who are jumping to all sorts of conclusions without the evidence at hand, are foolish in the extreme. the FA, as fans of all clubs, especially Utd, will know, are not infallible in the slightest. it is not beyond the realms of possibility that they have made an example of Suarez to make a statement on the anti-racism campaign. now, when i say "make an example", i don't mean Suarez doesn't deserve a punishment for the remark. i just mean he has been hung out to dry, in public, and that is just not on. this is a delicate case, and an explanation should have been made public immediately. there are too many idiots out there who will label Suarez a racist as a result. hence the passionate outcry from many linked to the club.

now the report could be damning, i don't know, but the vociferous nature of Liverpool's response suggests it probably won't be. if it is, then that really will be a monumentally embarrassing situation for club.

also, those championing Paul McGrath, ex-United, while labelling John Barnes pathetic and disgusting, are loltastic. both are biased, so both statement are to be taken with a pinch of salt for that reason. there will be those on both sides who have differing points of view. that's the delicacy of the case.

in conclusion, let's not label him a racist. it's ignorant, unhelpful for debate, and not clever. he's an idiot, whose also a WUM, who needs to learn there's certain phrases that don't translate well over here, and that you can't reference a person's skin colour in any way when making insults. whether that's deemed ridiculously over-PC by some, it doesn't matter, that's just the case.

everyone, keep your minds open until we get the report, and we see what Liverpool, the FA, and maybe even Evra/Utd have to say about it. it's quite possible Suarez has been a bit hung out to dry. it's also quite possible he'll have deserved all the abuse he's getting, and it's also quite possible Liverpool's statement, both in content and tone, will be proved to be the most ludicrous thing they could have ever produced.

we'll just have to wait and see.

great post. hitting a few of the points that many Liverpool supporters seem to be missing.

1. Suarez might not be a racist (i personally don't think he is) but he did make a racist remark. Enough of this "negro/negrito can't be racist - he's black!". It was racist, end of.

2. The t-shirt idea was ridiculous and only serves to embarrass the club trying to defend a player who has already been found guilty.

3. The club's response was knee-jerk and unprofessional and could come back to bite them.

23-12-2011 01:23PM

Kess73 wrote: »

That's the one. Then you are aware that the role does not simply make him just a Liverpool football club employee given the LDSA's membership with the National Association of Disabled Supporters.

John Barnes is a guy whose opinion on racism I would sit up and listen to every time. Given how passionate and reasoned he has been in his opinions on racism all his career, I really don't think that the man would say anything on the topic that he did not believe 100% himself just because the club wanted him to. Maybe I would be sceptical of other ex LFC players if they came out and passed comment, but not Digger. Even as a Liverpool player he came out and said what he thought in a very clear and concise manner, and what he said in his recent interview pretty much matches up with some of what he has said before on racism, so for me he is just being consistent with what he has said years ago rather than being the club's mouthpiece.

It was only a few weeks ago that in the LFC superthread I spoke about John Barnes and how his dignified way of dealing with racism throughout his career would make him a great role model, imho of course, for many of today's players who deal with the same problem, and there is no way I think the guy would compromise his own core values for a cheap PR stunt.

Great post, agree 100%.

An iconic picture from years gone by( I think you may have posted this a few weeks ago too Kess) - Barnes backhealing a banana thrown by a knuckle dragger

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01009/barnes_1009818c.jpg

thebaz · 23-12-2011 01:24PM

as someone who hates racism , i think the FA have gone way too politically correct - i remember racism in England in the 80's, i lived there, the everton stance was so bad i was shamed by their attitude and my passion for club has been permanently scarred - life, including football , has moved on - we live in a world where blacks culture can call each other ****** , and this is fine , but if whites mention colour/ black , the n word we are termed racist. Any body who has played any sport banter/ sledging / abuse occurs , the lower the level the worse it is - I remember playing with a guy who was was prematurly bald , and the crowd were abusing him as an Aids victim

how many thousand pro soccer players is there and no gays ? - it is ok to laugh at Robby Fowler for slagging Grame leSaux for reading the Guardian, and by default he is gay - once again the FA are out of step

Pro. F · 23-12-2011 01:31PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

No, I'd use the word black too. However by the very worst accounts, that's the word Suarez used. There was no abuse attached, not 'black ****', 'black monkey' anything like that. So in effect referring to someone's skin colour is always racist. Seems ridiculous to me.

I know this has already been responded to but fùck it, you keep repeating this shìt so I'm going to try answering it too...

No, referring to someone's skin colour is not always racist. Look, ''About 2% of the population of the UK is black.'' See? Not racist and it doesn't matter who you say that to. That was easy wasn't it? Context is everything as you have said yourself. And it is not the case that adding the racial reference to an insult is the only possible context that would be unacceptable. Simply referring to someone's race unnecessarily can easily be offensive.

Picture the scene, you're hanging out at a swingers party at your friend's house with your woman. There's a few couples there and some of them you've just been introduced to. Everybody is throwing their keys into the bowl, but it's one set short. The room goes quiet as everybody checks if they've put their keys in, then you turn to one of the guests who happens to be black and you say ''Hey black woman, have you put your keys in yet?'' - You see, that's an unnecessary reference to race and as such it would almost certainly offend. Would you honestly make that mistake? Do you really have difficulty understanding how that would probably offend her?

Now obviously there is the argument ''but it's a friendly term where Suarez comes from and can be applied to anyone!''. Well Suarez isn't at where he comes from, he needs to adapt to what is acceptable in the country where he is living and working. The term ''negro/negrito'', whatever its slang use, still has its original meaning ''black'', so anybody who uses it needs to take care not to cause confusion or offence. Using it in a heated exchange with a black opposition player during the Manchester/Liverpool derby sounds grossly insensitive to me.

Mr Alan wrote: »

Well, as you are both well aware, apparently it was in response to "get your hands off me South American", so he was simply responding in kind by bringing ethnicity into it.

I think you'd want to be off the wall totally crackers to think if that is the case, one fella is a "victim" and the other fella has racially abused him.

So if Evra did wrong, Suarez responding in kind is acceptable? Of course it isn't. Maybe it could be counted as mitigating circumstances if Evra started throwing the unnecessary racial/ethnic references first, but it is not a full blown excuse like you are trying to make out. Obviously if Evra did say that as reported then he should be charged too.

Anyway, didn't the LFC statement say that Suarez hadn't heard the South American reference from Evra? So that would sink that theory.

The Sparrow · 23-12-2011 01:37PM

SlickRic wrote: »

one culturally specific comment that transfers badly to Europe does not a racist make.

do you believe he's a racist? or do you believe he made an ignorant mistake for which he should be punished? do you think he deserves the label of a racist for the rest of his career for making a stupid, culturally specific comment that transfers badly?

that seems more than a little harsh if you do.

as i said, i don't think the verdict is the actual issue. it's the fact that he is now a racist in the eyes of many people.

I find it incredibly difficult to believe that a man who has lived in Europe for 5 years would not know that using a word like negro or negrito is unacceptable and racist. So yes, I believe that Suarez said it in a racist fashion and that makes him a racist.

Although, I do believe that people have the capacity for change and I would have hoped that this whole messy situation would have thought Suarez the error of his ways. However, the frankly deplorable actions of Liverpool FC and the ridiculous attempts to paint Suarez as a victim mean that this is unlikely to happen.

SlickRic · 23-12-2011 01:55PM

The Sparrow wrote: »

I find it incredibly difficult to believe that a man who has lived in Europe for 5 years would not know that using a word like negro or negrito is unacceptable and racist. So yes, I believe that Suarez said it in a racist fashion and that makes him a racist.

wonderful.

even though you or I don't know the context yet, you believe that he is a racist. fúcking hell.

context means nothing for the judgment, as the word has been deemed unacceptable by the FA. that's fine. but it means a lot in terms of whether he is a racist, or just made a stupid error of judgement in his choice of words.

remember, he claims nobody he's come across has had an issue with it, and that Evra's teammates use the term as he understands it. that doesn't make it right, but that is Suarez's point of view, one that actually isn't all that hard to believe is possible if you're not blinkered.

but, some fans will simply choose to believe he is a racist rather than stupid and a hothead, in order to justify the bile in calling him a racist.

do you even realise how big a deal calling someone that is? some people have claimed Liverpool fans have been blasé in their attitude to racism in giving Suarez any sort of the benefit of the doubt on this until the report comes in. i would venture that some fans from the other side are being completely blasé in their willingness to label the man a racist before any context is explained.

he said something unacceptable to the FA, which was deemed a slur pertaining to his ethnicity and/or skin colour. that doesn't automatically mean he is a racist, i.e. believing he is superior to other races. not matter how much some want to blur that line, there is a big enough difference.

Liverpool have handled it poorly, but as i say, i understand the passion when they believe the man is now forever labelled when he may have just made a bad mistake. it has huge knock-on effects in terms of how he will be treated if clarification is not afforded.

just labelling people "racist" is a big deal, hence the passionate support for Suarez in a lot of quarters.

opr · 23-12-2011 01:56PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

The FA say Suarez is not a racist.

Evra says he knows Suarez is not a racist.

The Mirrors headline today?

It's perfectly clear why Liverpool is making such a big deal out of this.

If they don't have solid evidence that he racially abused which we have yet to be made aware of, then their verdict is beyond irresponsible.

Twitter reports that the Daily Mirror have been told they are no longer welcome at Anfield following the publishing of these garbage headlines.

Opr

El Horseboxo · 23-12-2011 01:57PM

I'm Latino and don't support soccer teams other than betting or playing fantasy football. So I've no agenda. But if the conversation took place in Spanish it's easy to slip into that way of talking without thinking about being in a different culture. I've done it plenty of times when talking to people from Spain where I've used words not offensive to me in Latin America but would be to a Spanish person. Also context isn't really an issue for negrito. It's hard to explain if that's not your mind set or brought up in that culture and language. I was called negrito growing up in my family because I'm darker than the rest. My great grandfather was African so I must have had a larger amount of his genes or something. Anyways without adding more words to negrito I don't really find the offense in that word alone. Spanish, especially Latin American Spanish is very descriptive. Flaco, gordito, guero, oscuro, moreno are all words that are just added on like a nickname sort of. They mean skinny, fat, pale, dark and tanned. Could be offensive here but are in no way in Spanish. I'd consider gringo to be more offensive. I have used those words when talking bout close mates with someone in Spanish and in the flow of things it just comes natural. I even called my ex black girlfriend negrita. Not the reason she's an ex by the way.

I don't know much or care that much about the Luis Suárez debacle but just thought I'd add some perspective from someone that was raised in a similar culture and language to him. It's difficult to explain how context doesn't matter too much when using that word. But without hearing the whole conversation it's even more difficult to hazard a guess what Suárez really meant. I'm not taking any sides at all here and am only commenting on the supposed word used.

Helix · 23-12-2011 02:13PM

El Horseboxo wrote: »

I'm Latino and don't support soccer teams other than betting or playing fantasy football. So I've no agenda. But if the conversation took place in Spanish it's easy to slip into that way of talking without thinking about being in a different culture. I've done it plenty of times when talking to people from Spain where I've used words not offensive to me in Latin America but would be to a Spanish person. Also context isn't really an issue for negrito. It's hard to explain if that's not your mind set or brought up in that culture and language. I was called negrito growing up in my family because I'm darker than the rest. My great grandfather was African so I must have had a larger amount of his genes or something. Anyways without adding more words to negrito I don't really find the offense in that word alone. Spanish, especially Latin American Spanish is very descriptive. Flaco, gordito, guero, oscuro, moreno are all words that are just added on like a nickname sort of. They mean skinny, fat, pale, dark and tanned. Could be offensive here but are in no way in Spanish. I'd consider gringo to be more offensive. I have used those words when talking bout close mates with someone in Spanish and in the flow of things it just comes natural. I even called my ex black girlfriend negrita. Not the reason she's an ex by the way.

I don't know much or care that much about the Luis Suárez debacle but just thought I'd add some perspective from someone that was raised in a similar culture and language to him. It's difficult to explain how context doesn't matter too much when using that word. But without hearing the whole conversation it's even more difficult to hazard a guess what Suárez really meant. I'm not taking any sides at all here and am only commenting on the supposed word used.

if you called a black man from another country negrito in a pub or something what do you think would happen? do you reckon he'd be offended?

Le King · 23-12-2011 02:18PM

SlickRic wrote: »

Le King wrote: »

This.

Not saying that he is a racist person. But you can easily argue that he is a racist.

yeah you could.

but seen as he seems to be used to using the term where he's come from in a non-offensive way, and he seems to have made the mistake of using the term to wind someone up, in a place where people aren't used to the term, then i severely doubt it.

but it suits you, i'd imagine, to be able to outright label him a racist. that's fine.

Actually I don't think he's a racist. He comes from a part of the world where using such terminology is just slang and acceptable. Fortunately in this part of the world its not.

I already stated that he is not a racist.

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