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Racism - Mod Note on 1st Post - Read before posting.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,255 ✭✭✭Renn


    This thread gets somewhere close to why I stop supporting any football team.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,743 ✭✭✭Revolution9


    Loving the false outrage from the United fans on this thread. Some really being shown up for what they are.

    Please elaborate or the only thing your post will succeed in doing will be drawing dozens of scathing responses (which was probably your intention anyway).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,474 ✭✭✭Crazy Horse 6


    Please elaborate or the only thing your post will succeed in doing will be drawing dozens of scathing responses (which was probably your intention anyway).

    Listen pal you think it makes a difference if i explain it or not? I couldnt care less how people respond tbh i just think the fake moral outrage is laughable.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,068 ✭✭✭Bodhisopha


    This thread became a farce after about 3 pages. I can't believe some of you still have an appetite for this rubbish after 300 pages - you're all as bad as each other.

    *gallops off on high horse*


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,243 ✭✭✭✭Jesus Wept


    Bodhisopha wrote: »
    This thread became a farce after about 3 pages. I can't believe some of you still have an appetite for this rubbish after 300 pages - you're all as bad as each other.

    *gallops off on high horse*

    Try changing your posts per page to something respectable, might help.
    It's only 116 pages for me, fewer for others.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,235 ✭✭✭✭flahavaj


    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    It is wonderful that we have so many people posting on this forum though who have never:

    - quibbled with how an exam was marked;
    - disagreed with aspects of a perfomance review in work;
    - disagreed with a decision from a superior in work;

    etc, etc. Apparently appointed authority figures are never wrong. They decree something and it becomes gospel, you have to take it on the chin. So much black and white existence out there eh!

    fair point,but what would you say tosomeonne who reacted to on of youur hypothetical situations by getting a t shirt made and making a complete tool of themselves in the provess.

    nobody is denying liverpool have a right to disagree with the verdict or appeal it. its the hyyperbolic way in which they reactted thats realy taken the biscuit.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,219 ✭✭✭✭Pro. F


    Loving the false outrage from the United fans on this thread. Some really being shown up for what they are.

    Indeed they are. There have been rubbish posts and arguments from United fans and Liverpool fans. Some of your posts have been absolutely pathetic.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,305 ✭✭✭DOC09UNAM


    Mister Men wrote: »
    Please elaborate or the only thing your post will succeed in doing will be drawing dozens of scathing responses (which was probably your intention anyway).

    Listen pal you think it makes a difference if i explain it or not? I couldnt care less how people respond tbh i just think the fake moral outrage is laughable.



    I find re-regging trolls laughable.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Pro. F wrote: »
    Indeed they are. There have been rubbish posts and arguments from United fans and Liverpool fans. Some of your posts have been absolutely pathetic.

    Idiotic posts belong to both clubs sets of fans.

    But here we are surprised at the moronic posts of both sets of fans. We all know there's a few posters that could easily be removed from this forum, at the same time we like to point and laugh at the morons. No Morons would be rather boring.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,397 ✭✭✭Paparazzo


    Would have been nice to see the pool players wear "kick it out" t-shirts instead of "we support racism if it scores enough goals for us" tee shirts.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,658 ✭✭✭✭Peyton Manning


    Paparazzo wrote: »
    Would have been nice to see the pool players wear "kick it out" t-shirts instead of "we support racism if it scores enough goals for us" tee shirts.

    "Let's kick racism out of football.....but not for 8 games, that's too harsh."


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,100 ✭✭✭tommyhaas


    Paparazzo wrote: »
    Would have been nice to see the pool players wear "kick it out" t-shirts instead of "we support racism if it scores enough goals for us" tee shirts.

    You could have had a point there if you had of managed to resist the temptation of to get a fairly **** and inaccurate dig in at Liverpool


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,588 ✭✭✭daithijjj


    This is where you get the media spin, it depends on your nationality of course, pseudo moralists, the oul brits are great at it.

    Never-say-die John Terry ignores brickbats and does what he does best.

    Chelsea's captain gave a good impression of the heroic leader as he left his off-field troubles behind him against Tottenham.

    The scene at the end was the perfect cliché of the never-say-die, heroic captain. One point in the bag and another seemingly made, John Terry sauntered towards the band of Blues, peeled off his shirt and waded bare-chested over the advertising hoardings to hand his Chelsea jersey to one of his disciples. As he walked away, he banged his fist on his heart.

    In Planet Terry, the vignette represented how fond he is of a performance that reeks of his own determination to tackle adversity head on. But the problem with Planet Terry is that there is no place for the kind of subtlety that would better suit his current circumstances. As Liverpool discovered with their T-shirt idea, the rest of the world does not always appreciate bravado in times of controversy.

    Mind you, keeping his head down has never been part of his approach during an eventful 13-year career. And besides, do the boos hurt? Do the chants cut deep? Does the microscope burn? It has never appeared that way, and few players are as efficient at erecting a force field that such stuff bounces off. What wounds John Terry is losing, conceding goals, straining to be half the player he was in his pomp.

    Brickbats have seldom seemed to bother him half as much as his detractors would like. And there were many, here at White Hart Lane, many and varied.
    Not for the first time Terry found himself under special scrutiny, with his on-pitch performance analysed for signs of any stress emanating from the unnattractive headlines he currently commands following the CPS announcement that he will stand trial for alleged racist abuse.

    From the moment he emerged into the spotlight he did what he always does, presenting a devil-may-care attitude. He evidently wants the world to know that whatever happens outside the pitch stays on the other side of the white line and so he sprinted towards the Park Lane, puffed his chest out, patted his badge and saluted the Chelsea contingent. Of course, Terry was the subject of some toxic hostility. But he gave the unmistakable impression that his worst moment came when he was exposed for footballing, rather than any other, limitations.

    Eight minutes into this compelling encounter he heard nothing but white noise. Terry was caught dawdling as Tottenham broke down the left. Emmanuel Adebayor was his man. Terry was in front of him. Yet as Gareth Bale's cross skidded over, Chelsea's captain slowed up just as Adebayor anticipated keenly. The difference in sharpness between the two men helped to give Spurs the lead.

    Tellingly he recovered from that to put in the kind of performance that had his manager purring and reflecting how, perversely, Terry has increased his levels since "the incident". His leadership was evident as he took charge of a reshuffled defence. Early in the second half his yen for goals in circumstances such as this rose again as he thumped a header on target.
    In stoppage time he blocked what would have been an Adebayor match-winner.

    The scale of insults aimed at him fluctuated during the game from the kind of ordinary rudeness he might expect every week, via observations about his family's misdemeanours to some inevitable insinuations concerning his upcoming court appearance. The idea of arming stewards with headcams to guard against the most unacceptable of behaviour in the stands was not entirely successful. But as an idea it makes one wonder whether some bright spark could come up with a tiny device that footballers themselves could wear, armband-cam, for example, which might clarify instances of abuse on the pitch for all to see.

    The visiting support reacted to the Terry baiting with an array of supportive songs. Then they changed tack and decided to pick at Tottenham, pointing out in a none too complimentary way: "You stupid bastards, you burn your own town."

    But it was a measure of how Chelsea's players responded that the Terry-ometer soon quietened down. Once his team drew level through Daniel Sturridge, both sections of the crowd felt compelled to acknowledge that a football match broke out. Terry has plenty of previous when it comes to getting on with the job while extra-curricular shenanigans shadow his every move. If anything, history shows he uses moments of adversity as fuel to his fire.

    There were match-winning performances for Chelsea after revelations about his liaison with Wayne Bridge's girlfriend, and after his father made tabloid headlines for selling cocaine in an Essex bar. There was a goal for his country after he missed a penalty in the Champions League final. There was a composed defensive performance and clean sheet after he was stripped of the England captaincy.

    Not that it always works. A couple of months ago against Arsenal, in his first appearance after the allegations of racism against Anton Ferdinand were put under investigation, he ended up floored, as a calamitous mistake paved the way for a humiliating defeat.
    And that is what appears to stick in his craw more than the worst from any loudmouth.

    http://m.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/dec/23/john-terry-chelsea-tottenham?cat=football&type=article


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,235 ✭✭✭✭flahavaj


    In fairness now daithi the British media are well able to turn ontheir own players, especially with an international tournament looming.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,219 ✭✭✭✭Pro. F


    K-9 wrote: »
    Idiotic posts belong to both clubs sets of fans.

    But here we are surprised at the moronic posts of both sets of fans. We all know there's a few posters that could easily be removed from this forum, at the same time we like to point and laugh at the morons. No Morons would be rather boring.

    I honestly think no morons would be fantastic. The soccer forum would loose nothing if their hateful bullshít was cleared out. But since that is very hard to achieve I think it's worthwhile rubbing each of their noses in the shíte they have written now and again. They might try to ignore it or pretend they don't care that they have been shown to be idiots, but there is the slim hope that they are at least embarrassed by it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,235 ✭✭✭✭flahavaj


    Pro. F wrote: »
    I honestly think no morons would be fantastic. The soccer forum would loose nothing if their hateful bullshít was cleared out. But since that is very hard to achieve I think it's worthwhile rubbing each of their noses in the shíte they have written now and again. They might try to ignore it or pretend they don't care that they have been shown to be idiots, but there is the slim hope that they are at least embarrassed by it.

    If there were no morons we wouldn't get to read your wildly entertaining rants quite so often.:(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,235 ✭✭✭✭flahavaj


    LIVERPOOL’S DECISION to don T-shirts in support of Luis Suarez 24 hours after he was found guilty of racially abusing Patrice Evra was described as “shameful” last night by Paul McGrath, while Alan Hansen, the club’s former captain turned television pundit, issued an unreserved apology for describing black players as “coloured” on Match of the Day.

    McGrath, the former Republic of Ireland, Manchester United and Aston Villa defender, led widespread condemnation of Liverpool’s increasingly isolated stance over Suarez and claimed he would have thrown the T-shirt to the floor had he been the striker’s team-mate Glen Johnson. The right-back later responded on Twitter: “I will support who I want when I want!!! There are a lot of reasons why I’m standing by Luis Suarez!!!”

    Liverpool players and the manager, Kenny Dalglish, all wore the T-shirt, featuring Suarez’s image on the front and his name plus number on the back, before their draw at Wigan Athletic on Wednesday night. The Football Association is not expected to take action over Liverpool’s defiant show of support for the Uruguay international or the extraordinary statement released by the club in the wake of the eight-match ban and €48,000 fine handed to the 24-year-old on Tuesday.

    The FA is keen for the findings of the independent commission that found Suarez guilty, led by Paul Goulding QC, to be published as quickly as possible, given the controversial and often uninformed debate that has erupted around the case. Goulding, however, does not work for the FA and the reasons may not be released until after Christmas.

    Only when Liverpool have received the commission’s findings will their 14-day period in which to appeal commence.

    Liverpool’s pre-match clothing at the DW Stadium has attracted criticism from several black footballers, and McGrath claimed it represented a devastating setback to the accomplishments of anti-racism campaigns. He said: “Maybe Kenny (Dalglish) is trying to make a statement to the FA but I just think it is in bad taste that he sent them out in those T-shirts. It would have been much better for Liverpool Football Club if they had have worn anti-racism shirts.

    “It’s about respect. There’s this issue going on about respecting your opponents. It is actually a game. The game itself has gone too big, it’s about winning and the money. The actual element of football being a game has long since gone, it is all about protecting your interest, protecting your best players.

    “There are a lot of children that watch these games and to have done what they did last night, doing their warm-up in T-shirts with his smiling face on it, having just been done for a supposedly racist comment to one of his opponents, is shameful for football. It puts the anti-racism campaign back to the beginning as far as I’m concerned.

    “If I was in Glen Johnson’s situation, I’d have thrown the shirt to the floor. If that had been someone in my time and I’d heard the comments or I’d even suspected he was guilty – and obviously there has been a tribunal – then I would not wear a T-shirt with his name on it, saying all is well and good here.”

    The Blackburn Rovers striker Jason Roberts also thinks the Suarez case transcends sport. He tweeted: “The stance on the Suarez issue from LFC has bemused me – are United going to print Evra shirts now????? Some issues are bigger than football.”

    The former Newcastle United defender Olivier Bernard, now an anti-racism campaigner, said: “I really didn’t think it was fine to wear the T-shirts. I can understand the club’s side of it, but in society we can’t accept racism and give support to a player who has used racist words.”

    The controversy enveloped Hansen after he twice used the word “coloured” to describe black footballers on Match of the Day on Wednesday when discussing the current John Terry and Suarez racism cases. The 56-year-old Hansen, the show’s long-time pundit, said: “I unreservedly apologise for any offence caused – this was never my intention and I deeply regret the use of the word.”

    McGrath labels Liverpool T-shirt stance as shameful - The Irish Times - Fri, Dec 23, 2011

    LFC getting slated over the t shirt gaffe. Heard a clip of McGrath on Newstalk earlier he was quite emotive about it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,588 ✭✭✭daithijjj


    flahavaj wrote: »
    In fairness now daithi the British media are well able to turn ontheir own players, especially with an international tournament looming.

    I dont think you have grasped the point made. Its not about football talent or looming tournaments. Its about impartiality. Terry is 'celebrated' in that article. I want to say plenty on this topic but its pretty pointless, and late.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,100 ✭✭✭tommyhaas


    I always assumed the phrase coloured was an acceptable term. Given MOTD isn't filmed live, surely if it were to be generally deemed offensive, some one in the studio would have picked up on it prior to airing and advised him not to say it


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,222 ✭✭✭✭Will I Amnt


    The FA is keen for the findings of the independent commission that found Suarez guilty, led by Paul Goulding QC, to be published as quickly as possible, given the controversial and often uninformed debate that has erupted around the case. Goulding, however, does not work for the FA and the reasons may not be released until after Christmas.
    That's an interesting paragraph,seems like the FA are very keen to make it clear what was said afterall.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,349 ✭✭✭✭J. Marston


    daithijjj wrote: »
    I dont think you have grasped the point made. Its not about football talent or looming tournaments. Its about impartiality. Terry is 'celebrated' in that article. I want to say plenty on this topic but its pretty pointless, and late.

    He has a point. Look at the Daily Mail's headline for the Spurs/Chelsea match...''Taunted Terry! Blues skipper hit by race row abuse but still rescues his beloved club at the death''.

    Big John rises above the taunts and hate to rescue his beloved Chelsea. Could they crawl any further up his hole?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,836 ✭✭✭Sir Gallagher


    tommyhaas wrote: »
    I always assumed the phrase coloured was an acceptable term. Given MOTD isn't filmed live, surely if it were to be generally deemed offensive, some one in the studio would have picked up on it prior to airing and advised him not to say it

    Nah man "coloured" went out out with the indians... (bollox i may have unintentionally started another race row soz lol)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,305 ✭✭✭DOC09UNAM


    tommyhaas wrote: »
    Paparazzo wrote: »
    Would have been nice to see the pool players wear "kick it out" t-shirts instead of "we support racism if it scores enough goals for us" tee shirts.

    You could have had a point there if you had of managed to resist the temptation of to get a fairly **** and inaccurate dig in at Liverpool
    Very inaccurate, he doesn't score goals....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,100 ✭✭✭tommyhaas


    Nah man "coloured" went out out with the indians... (bollox i may have unintentionally started another race row soz lol)

    Well obviously that completely depends upon where you're posting from, what culture you were brought up in and whether it could be deemed offensive in your culture. Obviously any reasonable person would seek to to clarify this before reporting your post :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,832 ✭✭✭✭Blatter


    The Independent are saying that Suarez can only appeal against the punishment handed to him and not the actual guilty verdict.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/suarez-and-terry-whats-the-difference-6280728.html
    Once Luis Suarez receives the written reasons for the independent regulatory commission's decision he will have 14 days to decide whether or not to appeal – against the level of the sanction, rather than the guilty verdict.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,219 ✭✭✭✭Pro. F


    tommyhaas wrote: »
    I always assumed the phrase coloured was an acceptable term. Given MOTD isn't filmed live, surely if it were to be generally deemed offensive, some one in the studio would have picked up on it prior to airing and advised him not to say it

    I know that the Apartheid crowd used it to describe mixed race people. And a quick google shows that it has an association with British racist colonial history and American racist history. Fair enough, that word is generally accepted as offensive now and so he should apologise. The context of what he was saying make his good intentions completely clear, it was a simple mistake. It was a particularly easy mistake to make when you realise that the term person of colour is a term currently promoted.

    Just to cut off anybody who wants to jump in and play dumb about the difference between his case and Suarez's: Hansen was explicitly and necessarily referring to a group of people by race in a discussion about racism, he made a mistake and used a word now regarded as unacceptable. Suarez was using a word to describe race too, but he was using it unnecessarily when talking with someone of that race, which would imply that he was making an issue out of the race difference. Allegedly anyway.


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    don't think coloured should be seen as in any way racist tbh, perfectly acceptable in my perspective...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,592 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    What word to people believe Hanson should have used?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,111 ✭✭✭✭RasTa


    Black


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Leiva


    I know standards and racism laws need to be maintained but does anyone else think the World has gone mad , and way over the top ?

    Maybe it's a byproduct of the rise of the P.C Brigade in recent years but everyone has become super sensitive .

    I am not saying this in direct reply to the Suarez case


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