Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12 - Mod Note 4153

Henry Winter is saying the written reasons for Suarez ban wont be published until mid Jan (apparently) so an appeal doesnt have to be made until this is disclosed.

Seeing also that the Uruguayan government is adding its weight too. Lots of this to run yet it seems.

Implications for the team!!!!

I dont think some of the criticism is warranted really, some deeper problems than a quicker sub etc. Just seems to me that the forwards try to provide more than they are comfortable trying to put the ball in the net. Said this some time ago but we really need a poacher, who doesnt mind if its a 30 yarder or it deflects in off an arse cheek.

The-Rigger wrote: »

Doesn't that describe the majority of Kuyt's goals?

Dirk doesnt have the ability to play a fast possession based game though. And he isnt exactly the future either. At this stage, we need another striker for next season, even if Carroll shows something in the interim, we still need another one.

The-Rigger wrote: »

You take that back, Dirk is the future.

Im just trying to goad you into telling me who we are signing :P

daithijjj wrote: »

Henry Winter is saying the written reasons for Suarez ban wont be published until mid Jan (apparently) so an appeal doesnt have to be made until this is disclosed.

Seeing also that the Uruguayan government is adding its weight too. Lots of this to run yet it seems.

Implications for the team!!!!

I dont think some of the criticism is warranted really, some deeper problems than a quicker sub etc. Just seems to me that the forwards try to provide more than they are comfortable trying to put the ball in the net. Said this some time ago but we really need a poacher, who doesnt mind if its a 30 yarder or it deflects in off an arse cheek.

I agree but we have to use what we have to maximum effect, Stevie Wonder could see that changes needed to be made tonight if we were to have any chance of winning the game.

For example we have Caroll there sitting on the bench and being brought on with 4 minutes to go, pointless. Now some people might say "Ah Caroll wouldn't have scored anyway", this attitude frustrates me. If a team isn't playing well and there's options there to change it then why not do that? This has happened in a few games this season and i feel we've dropped points because of it, it reminds me of when Rafa was in charge except when Rafa was in charge usually we had zero options on the bench.

Tonights performance was different though as in we were just poor it wasn't like some of the other games where we did everything but score. Yes we had some good chances (btw this not converting penalties lark is an absolute joke) but it was completely obvious we needed some new ideas on the pitch. I wholeheartedly agree on the Meireles issuse, Kenny putting his faith in Gerrard being fit this season was extremely risky and proved to be a bad move. Ultimately he'll be judged on these decisions.

Anyway we definitely need a striker in Jan if we are to have any hope of 4th. But to be honest i cant see the owners handing over a big wad of cash considering how our big signings are faring at the moment.

mixednuts wrote: »

Why does anyone think we are going to buy big in January ?

Personally I think there will be a few people very disappointed at the end of January transfer window who expected the type of (once off !) investment seen in the summer .

The selling of Raul for me was the give away . It looked like a sale to balance an over spend , and smelled of " you will need to sell X to buy Y "

Time will tell but I'm not expecting big spending .

I hope I'm wrong.

January typically does not have much activity. Last year was exceptional

Maybe Hoilet from Blackburn with him stalling over a new deal

Just seen this on twitter, it amused me, slightly.

"The FA have handed Andy Carroll an 8 game run in the first team. Liverpool set to appeal."

As disappointing as last night's result was, there was one shining light. I was more impressed with Enrique over those 90 minutes than I have been in any match so far this season. He was immense. What a great deal we got there.

Vudgie wrote: »

I agree with you regarding any expensive signings in January, and we will have to rely on Comolli's skill in the transfer market to pull off a clever deal, a loan agreement or an experienced player on a short contract.

We really don't have all that many saleable assets at the moment given that we are building a team so I am not sure who we can sell to create funds if neceaasry.

I hope I am wrong and we are all cheering our new £30m stricker in January!

Yep, lets sign Stricker up and he'll start "putting" the goals in, don't forget he's lethal from 80 yards out!! :pac:

Sappy404 wrote: »

As disappointing as last night's result was, there was one shining light. I was more impressed with Enrique over those 90 minutes than I have been in any match so far this season. He was immense. What a great deal we got there.

I seem to say this after every game but it amazes me how he manages to hold onto the ball just when it looks like the opposing player has won it off him.

Last night was f*cking dire after a really bright start. The players seemed to lack any kind of urgency, and it was the first game where Downing really annoyed me with his lack of interest. Even Suarez didn't seem up to it, gimme the snarling Suarez who hassles defenders over the smiling version we got last night. Have been a fan of Adam* since he signed but last night had to be his worst game since signing, even excluding the penalty miss nothing went right for him.

People are saying changes should have been made earlier but when they were made there was no impact, granted Carroll may have done something with more time but Bellamy and Shelvey offered nothing.


The positives were Agger was immense again and if he picks up an injury we are well and truly screwed. Skrtel looked composed alongside him, Henderson was decent if not spectacular in the middle and Enrique was Enrique.



*Adam's performance last night annoyed me so much that I went and sold him when I was playing FIFA after the match...actually made me feel slightly better:D...on a side note I have been trying to sell Carra for a season and a half but the stubborn f*cker won't leave.:pac:

kingshankly wrote: »

downing has so far been the worst of our signings has been shocking bar 1 or 2 games.
we're not talking about a young foreign lad who might need time to adapt he's an England international with a couple of hundred games in the premiership that just isn't performing at all
front 6 tonight were a disgrace

If anything he is just continuing the tradition since the mid 90's of English players generally being poor settlers into Liverpool teams for whatever reasons.

The two players that settled the quickest from what was bought in the past two windows were foreign lads (albeit with one already living in England), whereas the three English lads bought (Carroll, Henderson, Downing) have been very mixed in terms of form. The three of them have shown glimpses of form, but generally all three have produced very little by way of impact or final product. For me (and the players are obviously not at fault for the price tags) it really does show how badly overpriced and poor value for money English players actually are in terms of the inflated transfer fees they fetch simply because of their nationality.

If Carroll, Henderson, and Downing were a trio made up of lads from Belgium, France, and Holland who had shown the exact same form in the 12 months before LFC bought them and who had the exact same amount of ability, I doubt if the three combined would have cost what Carroll went for on his own.

Bloody hate the stupid prices English players cost. Not a rant against the players, as I think the squad is stronger now, but certainly a moan about the money paid out against on pitch performances received to date.

It's depressing when we look at the last two transfer windows with that Suarez, Carroll, Downing, Henderson, and Adam were all bought pretty much with offensive play in mind, and then taking a look at our final third play this season. £100m spent on improving the attacking side of the team and we got worse in front of goal.:(

Really hope that over the next two transfer windows we get more luck in terms of how many players come in and hit the ground running nearly straight away because it is all well and good buying players that might come good six, twelve, or however many months after buying them, but each batch of big money transfers that we buy that need that kind of time to settle is just more time for the rest of the clubs ahead of us to consolidate themselves as the top four and it is also more and more money spent that is not putting us in as strong a position as it maybe should.

Kess73 wrote: »

If anything he is just continuing the tradition since the mid 90's of English players generally being poor settlers into Liverpool teams for whatever reasons.

The two players that settled the quickest from what was bought in the past two windows were foreign lads (albeit with one already living in England), whereas the three English lads bought (Carroll, Henderson, Downing) have been very mixed in terms of form. The three of them have shown glimpses of form, but generally all three have produced very little by way of impact or final product. For me (and the players are obviously not at fault for the price tags) it really does show how badly overpriced and poor value for money English players actually are in terms of the inflated transfer fees they fetch simply because of their nationality.

If Carroll, Henderson, and Downing were a trio made up of lads from Belgium, France, and Holland who had shown the exact same form in the 12 months before LFC bought them and who had the exact same amount of ability, I doubt if the three combined would have cost what Carroll went for on his own.

Bloody hate the stupid prices English players cost. Not a rant against the players, as I think the squad is stronger now, but certainly a moan about the money paid out against on pitch performances received to date.

It's depressing when we look at the last two transfer windows with that Suarez, Carroll, Downing, Henderson, and Adam were all bought pretty much with offensive play in mind, and then taking a look at our final third play this season. £100m spent on improving the attacking side of the team and we got worse in front of goal.:(

Really hope that over the next two transfer windows we get more luck in terms of how many players come in and hit the ground running nearly straight away because it is all well and good buying players that might come good six, twelve, or however many months after buying them, but each batch of big money transfers that we buy that need that kind of time to settle is just more time for the rest of the clubs ahead of us to consolidate themselves as the top four and it is also more and more money spent that is not putting us in as strong a position as it maybe should.

There is talk of Chelsea getting Cahill for 7 million, when you factor out the English player tax he actually costs minus 3 million...we just need to find better value.:pac:

kingshankly wrote: »

downing has so far been the worst of our signings has been shocking bar 1 or 2 games.
we're not talking about a young foreign lad who might need time to adapt he's an England international with a couple of hundred games in the premiership that just isn't performing at all

Right on.

Adam hasn't been world beating, but we didn't pay £20m for him.