Racism - Mod Note on 1st Post - Read before posting.

rarnes1 wrote: »

I'm a Liverpool fan.

If Terry is innocent and is proved to be, I'll accept it.

When the report of the Suarez case comes out and if he is proved without a doubt to have racially abused Evra intently I'll accept that too.

What part exactly are you having trouble accepting?

Suarez admitted using language that referred to Evra's colour - he was found guilty in week long inquiry. What more do you need?

Paul Tergat wrote: »

I wanna know exactly what that first rule is that he has said to have broken

From the FA Handbook;

General Behaviour;

3 (1) A Participant shall at all times act in the best interests of the game and shall not act in any manner which is improper or brings the game into disrepute and use any one, or combination of, violent conduct, serious foul play, threatening, abusive, indecent or insulting words or behaviour.

3 (2) In the event of any breach of Rule E 3(1) including a reference to any one or more of a person's ethnic origin, colour, race, nationality, faith, gender, sexual orientation or disablilty (an "aggravating factor"), a Regulatory Commission shall consider the imposition of an increased sanction...

Blackhorse Slim wrote: »

From the FA Handbook;

General Behaviour;

3 (1) A Participant shall at all times act in the best interests of the game and shall not act in any manner which is improper or brings the game into disrepute and use any one, or combination of, violent conduct, serious foul play, threatening, abusive, indecent or insulting words or behaviour.

Yeah see my post then. What do you reckon counts of 'abusive' words, or 'indecent' or 'insulting'. Can a player after the game report another for calling him a cúnt for example?

greendom wrote: »

No the public nature of the case has been a good thing. It means now that any players coming over to play in the EPL or even English players will be under no doubt what constitutes racist abuse in the UK and that it is not tolerated. If a similar case had happened previously, you can be sure that Suarez wouldn't have used the language he did.

The ruling also means that they'll they be less inclined to ply their trade in the EPL.

ilovelamp2000 wrote: »

There is another conclusion, if you take all the information that has been provided and read between the lines.

In a case as serious as this, reading between the lines is not an option. If there is evidence that Suarez broke these rules, other than the word of a player with a history of providing suspect evidence to the FA, then the FA must release it.

The LIverpool statement suggests there isn't, we don't know whether that is true. If the Liverpool statement is correct, this leaves the FA open to hundreds of similar cases every week where Rules E3 (1) and E3 (2) can be claimed to have been broken by any player with a grudge after a match. At the very least, they need to tighten up their rules, or see that every player who breaks these rules is punished accordingly.

My final thought (Springer style)

I'm sure every club in England have a strict no racism policy. I've been to SJP a number of times this season and they have a strict no racism policy. If I was to shout out a racist comment towards Shola Ameobi or any other black or "foreign" player I'd be ejected from the stadium and given a lifetime ban for sure. There's no way I'd be allowed back after 8 games.

I'm not saying that Suarez is a racist but he's been found guilty of making a racist comment. Why is the same treatment not applied to players as it is for fans if they make racist comments inside the ground?

FWIW I think Suarez is a good footballer bar the odd diving antics here and there but if I was found guilty of a racist comment in my place of work I'd be fired. No questions asked. 8 games and a 400,000 fine is nothing imo.

s_carnage wrote: »

But Dalglish has backed up that he said as such. From todays article in the Telegraph

That is a journalist's version of what he thinks Dalglish said. Nobody knows....so much so that it's went from "negrito" to "negro" back to "negrito" again, all in the space of a week.

Nothing in the FA's statement yesterday gave any further clues to what exactly Suarez was alleged to have said. Neither did anything in it say what, if anything, Suarez admitted to saying. This is what those "defending" Suarez are most annoyed about.

Brain Stroking wrote: »

I cant explain it any simpler i'm afraid. If you still are of the belief that Evra gave evidence on a slur that he always maintained he never heard and that the burden of proof in that matter fell on him, well i cant paint it any easier for you.

I never claimed the burden of proof fell on Evra, indeed went to pains not to say that, and I'm surprised a sharp, well trained solicitor's mind would take that from my posts. Based on that I don't think you are capable of any type of objective discussion on the issue, I'm out as you are reading what you want to read.

Sad day for Liverpool. A great club but they have let themselves down big time. And their fans have jumped over the cliff after them. Pity

Indeed. Point proven.

That_Guy wrote: »

My final thought (Springer style)

I'm sure every club in England have a strict no racism policy. I've been to SJP a number of times this season and they have a strict no racism policy. If I was to shout out a racist comment towards Shola Ameobi or any other black or "foreign" player I'd be ejected from the stadium and given a lifetime ban for sure. There's no way I'd be allowed back after 8 games.

I'm not saying that Suarez is a racist but he's been found guilty of making a racist comment. Why is the same treatment not applied to players as it is for fans if they make racist comments inside the ground?

FWIW I think Suarez is a good footballer bar the odd diving antics here and there but if I was found guilty of a racist comment in my place of work I'd be fired. No questions asked. 8 games and a 400,000 fine is nothing imo.

They seem to have taken the basis that "Negro or Negrito" is racist language but not that racist! It doesn't make him a racist though!

Handsome Bob wrote: »

Ah jaysus Lloyd, I've been one of the more vocal Liverpool fans on here since last night but come on will you, I hardly think foreign players are going to be saying to themselves "Ah **** the EPL, I need my opportunities to get a few little racist digs in."

No they won't be saying that but they might be saying "as a foreign player if I do misbehave I am likely to be vilified to a ridiculously unfair extent".

mixed up wrote: »

It's all a load of bo**ox what would happen if evra had called suarez a white f**ker? nothing. Suarez called evra a black whatever so if he should be banned for anything it should be for using foul language if he used it.I can't believe the crap over this if a player is black or white what difference does it make?Evra you ARE black get over it :mad: I think evra is the person with a problem about his colour not suarez.I mean evra is black and has a problem being called black :rolleyes: I'm white and won't cry if you call me white.

Jesus wept

I'm actually embarrassed for you

s_carnage wrote: »

Doesn't matter what word he used though. If either word was used in the argument between the players then in my opinion he is guilty.

Of course it matters. The FA haven't told us what word he used. It might have been "negro". It might have been "negrito". It might have been neither.

We're all still waiting for them to release the report where the "evidence" is going to be presented and quite frankly I think it's disgraceful that this wasn't provided to Suarez and/or Liverpool in advance of the punishment being handed down.