Racism - Mod Note on 1st Post - Read before posting.

s_carnage · 21-12-2011 11:13AM

niallo27 wrote: »

Did he, who told you this.

Just a quick search and can see Dalglish backed up what Suarez said last week. Snip from Telegraph article below

Kenny Dalglish, the Liverpool manager, defended his player from the outset and personally attended the hearing in Manchester last week.
He argued that the word “negro” – which Suarez admitted using once – does not necessarily have racist connotations in the player’s homeland in Uruguay.

21-12-2011 11:14AM

Sappy404 wrote: »

peterswellman wrote: »

LOL.

You have no idea what evidence was used(excluding a LFC statement, which btw is a crock of ****e)/given, so for you too state it's a 'terrible' verdict is moronic to highest degree. Well done.

Are you deliberately missing his point? He wants the evidence used to be made public so as to either back up or shoot down what Liverpool have claimed in their statement, i.e. that Evra's was the only testimony used for convicting him.

There's also question marks about Suarez's testimony, specifically what he has apparently admitted to saying.

And? He also called the verdict terrible which is what I have issue with.

Crazy Horse 6 · 21-12-2011 11:16AM

Liam O wrote: »

He didn't advocate a lifetime ban in his post, just a time ban, football associations generally don't tend to work like that though I suppose.

he has a point though, even after Suarez basically admitted using racist language to Evra the club continued in their portrayal of Suarez as a pariah.

The thing I find most hilarious about this is that (a lot of) Liverpool fans suddenly having a deep worry about the fate of John Terry after this ban. Has there been another 8 month drug ban since Rio didn't use drugs and got banned?

I'm sorry "Suarez basically admitted using racist language", you have this evidence at hand right and are'nt just throwing it in there to improve your point?

21-12-2011 11:16AM

kfallon wrote: »

Does Evra use the 'n' word here at the end when talking about Lampard and Hasselbaink?

yeah, your point?

21-12-2011 11:16AM

Crazy Horse 6 wrote: »

peterswellman wrote: »

Do you think the FA would convict someone on such charges if they didn't have sufficient evidence?

So race slurs are ok then? Same punishment as a bad tackle? Lol. Moronic.

Lol two insults in two posts. Well done you.

Top reply.

I will be banned like Suarez. Where is the evidence? Moronic in ancient Greek means genius.

JimsAlterEgo · 21-12-2011 11:18AM

Suarez admitted in a newspaper atricle that he said something "that his freinds call him". I guess he explained what that was in the hearing.

The official liverpool statement is factually incorrect, as I am sure as I would say he was convicted on his own and Evras evidence especially if they agreed about what was said. After that they just needed to decide on the severity of it.

mike65 · 21-12-2011 11:18AM

Breaking news

CPS to make announcement on John Terry later today.

21-12-2011 11:19AM

Crazy Horse 6 wrote: »

I'm sorry "Suarez basically admitted using racist language", you have this evidence at hand right and are'nt just throwing it in there to improve your point?

not bothering to look for the article, everyone's already seen it and it was posted multiple times in this thread. Are you being deliberately stupid in this argument just to prove your indignation over a footballer getting banned for racism? It's seriously not that big a deal...

Crazy Horse 6 · 21-12-2011 11:19AM

peterswellman wrote: »

And? He also called the verdict terrible which is what I have issue with.

It is a terrible verdict. If the evidence comes out that Suarez racially abused Evra "10 times" like Evra pointed out to french TV then fair enough but i believe there is no such evidence otherwise the club would have never put out such a statement.

Anyways peace out i'm off to catch a plane laters dude.

kfallon · 21-12-2011 11:19AM

Liam O wrote: »

yeah, your point?

It's ok for him to use it but not others?

Sappy404 · 21-12-2011 11:22AM

Dbl post

21-12-2011 11:23AM

kfallon wrote: »

It's ok for him to use it but not others?

you're right, Evra should be banned for calling Lampard a nigga...

quarryman · 21-12-2011 11:24AM

Morning everyone! Was looking forward to this thread I must say.

So I'm curious, are the Liverpool fans who claimed "Throw the book at whoever is found guilty" going to stand by that now?

Dub XV · 21-12-2011 11:25AM

kfallon wrote: »

It's ok for him to use it but not others?

That was the worst bit of YouTubing ever. Could have been anybody dubbing a voice there

21-12-2011 11:25AM

Sappy404 wrote: »

peterswellman wrote: »

LOL.

You have no idea what evidence was used(excluding a LFC statement, which btw is a crock of ****e)/given, so for you too state it's a 'terrible' verdict is moronic to highest degree. Well done.

Are you deliberately missing his point? He wants the evidence used to be made public so as to either back up or shoot down what Liverpool have claimed in their statement, i.e. that Evra's was the only testimony used for convicting him.

There's also question marks about Suarez's testimony, specifically what he has apparently admitted to saying.

Like I said I have issues with his use of the term 'terrible' without having any idea either and just going on an LFC statement?

We all want evidence published fwiw.

kfallon · 21-12-2011 11:26AM

Liam O wrote: »

you're right, Evra should be banned for calling Lampard a nigga...

And what about Hasselbaink too?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 21-12-2011 11:28AM

Cartman78 wrote: »

Anyone know how the appeal process works?? Does an unsuccessful appeal mean an increased ban & fine?

Trying to come up with a few positives from this but struggling -

1) Suarez is possibly nearing burnout anyway - a break won't do him any harm

2) His absence will surely expedite the signing of a striker in January

3) Chance for Big Andy to prove himself

4) (scrapes bottom of the barrel...)....

The timing actually suits us a bit.

1 - It's close to Januaary where we can strengthen. If this had happaned a month ago, it would have been worse.

2 - If there was no appeal and it were to be the next eight games, two are straightforward enough and three are cup games.

3 - appealing gives Gerarrd mor time to get back,

21-12-2011 11:28AM

kfallon wrote: »

And what about Hasselbaink too?

yep, a black man using a racial term to describe another black man is inherently racist, you ever listened to a rap song? Just stop to think about what you are trying to insinuate here, because I've a feeling you wont be able to stop digging.

mike65 · 21-12-2011 11:29AM

quarryman wrote: »

Morning everyone! Was looking forward to this thread I must say.

So I'm curious, are the Liverpool fans who claimed "Throw the book at whoever is found guilty" going to stand by that now?

Yes if one can trust the judgement and the basis on which it was reached. Until I've seen the panels thinking process on this I'm sceptical.

homerjay2005 · 21-12-2011 11:29AM

quarryman wrote: »

So I'm curious, are the Liverpool fans who claimed "Throw the book at whoever is found guilty" going to stand by that now?

youve got to be joking, theres an all out war declared v the fa, evra, united, humanity, evras dog, jesus, Obama, Oprah, the hotel who hosted the meeting and basically everybody else except suraez, this morning by liverpool fans.

aint you heard?

his grandfather is black.
he is 1/4 black apparently.
nobody heard anything
suarez has black teammates.
he is part of some foundation, that has black people in it.
he has a black puppy.
the paper reports that were used to be a basis to proove his innocence last week, are not not relevant anymore.
its all about culture, its a misunderstanding.
the fa got it wrong.
its all john terrys fault.
Evra lied.

Dont be at yourself · 21-12-2011 11:30AM

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

The timing actually suits us a bit.

1 - It's close to Januaary where we can strengthen. If this had happaned a month ago, it would have been worse.

2 - If there was no appeal and it were to be the next eight games, two are straightforward enough and three are cup games.

3 - appealing gives Gerarrd mor time to get back,

4. It gives Suarez a much needed break (the only break he's had in more than 2 years is his 8 game ban for biting an opponent at Ajax...)

5. It gives the club a chance to give Carroll a sustained run of games.

6. We'll have Luis back and raring to go for the rest of the season - starting with the United game.

mike65 · 21-12-2011 11:31AM

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/dec/21/john-terry-racism-allegations-prosecutors

The Crown Prosecution Service has revealed it will make an announcement on the case involving John Terry's alleged racist slur against Anton Ferdinand on Wednesday afternoon.

The news follows the CPS's recent confirmation that it had received additional evidence, thought to be new video footage of the incident, which allegedly occurred during Chelsea's defeat at Queens Park Rangers on 23 October.

Terry strongly denies the claims. Shortly after the allegations were made, he issued a statement saying: "I've seen that there's a lot of comments on the internet with regards to some video footage of me during the game.

"I'm disappointed that people have leapt to the wrong conclusions about the context of what I was seen to be saying to Anton Ferdinand. I would never say such a thing, and I'm saddened that people would think so."

The development follows Tuesday's decision by the Football Association to ban the Liverpool striker Luis Suárez for eight matches and fine him £40,000 after he was found guilty of misconduct, regarding the use of "insulting words" towards Manchester United's Patrice Evra.

kfallon · 21-12-2011 11:32AM

Liam O wrote: »

yep, a black man using a racial term to describe another black man is inherently racist, you ever listened to a rap song? Just stop to think about what you are trying to insinuate here, because I've a feeling you wont be able to stop digging.

So the word "nigga" has no racist connotations to Evra.....bit like "negro" has no racist connotations to Suarez given it is a term often used in Uruguay?

everdead.ie · 21-12-2011 11:32AM

mike65 wrote: »

Breaking news

CPS to make announcement on John Terry later today.

If the CPS had any sense they would of left this until after the spurs match there is enough abuse at these matches already

Sappy404 · 21-12-2011 11:33AM

JimsAlterEgo wrote: »

I would go farther and actually charge Pool and Dalglish for their behavior throughout this.

Charge them with what?

peterswellman wrote: »

Do you think the FA would convict someone on such charges if they didn't have sufficient evidence?

Lets wait and see what the evidence is. If Evra's word is the only evidence used to prove what was said and when, then Liverpool have a point, don't they?

quarryman wrote: »

Morning everyone! Was looking forward to this thread I must say.

So I'm curious, are the Liverpool fans who claimed "Throw the book at whoever is found guilty" going to stand by that now?

Have a read for yourself instead of parading your childish bull**** rhetoric.

mike65 · 21-12-2011 11:34AM

Hell we should be welcoming this ban! :pac:

Every black cloud has a silver lining etc

Junior Hoilett is a good shout from earlier mind you whether Suarez would want him in the side is another matter....

JimsAlterEgo · 21-12-2011 11:35AM

kfallon wrote: »

So the word "nigga" has no racist connotations to Evra.....bit like "negro" has no racist connotations to Suarez given it is a term often used in Uruguay?

I shouldnt have to point out this but Evra is black.

JimsAlterEgo · 21-12-2011 11:37AM

Sappy404 wrote: »

Charge them with what?

Disrepute charge

niallo27 · 21-12-2011 11:37AM

JimsAlterEgo wrote: »

Suarez admitted in a newspaper atricle that he said something "that his freinds call him". I guess he explained what that was in the hearing.

So I would say he was convicted on his own and Evras evidence especially if they agreed with what was said. After that they just needed to decide on the severity of it.

Well tbh you know **** all really and we'll just have to wait until the report is out.

21-12-2011 11:40AM

kfallon wrote: »

So the word "nigga" has no racist connotations to Evra.....bit like "negro" has no racist connotations to Suarez given it is a term often used in Uruguay?

It clearly has racist connotations, I wouldn't say it to a black man, be it here, France, Senegal or Uruguay, why are you being so idiotic with regards to this? What's it going to prove? If you didn't know that black people use the term with each other you must live a sheltered life. I suppose MLK and Malcolm X criticised the use of it but considering it was a term made by white people to divide black people in society I think it's fair enough they use it however they want...

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