Racism - Mod Note on 1st Post - Read before posting.

J. Marston · 21-12-2011 05:07AM

mormank wrote: »

you found this article interesting huh?? I find it to be very biased and presumptuous. Was it written by Fergie by any chance?

Isn't he too busy running United and the FA?

Blatter · 21-12-2011 05:08AM

mormank wrote: »

you found this article interesting huh?? I find it to be very biased and presumptuous. Was it written by Fergie by any chance?

I find some of the points raised in it valid.

You have to admit, it is a lolistic statement from Liverpool. I'm not surprised by the sentiment of the statement, they would look foolish to do a U-turn now, but the much of the content is laughable tbf.

Revolution9 · 21-12-2011 05:10AM

manual_man wrote: »

Except Evra could have been a man and confronted Liverpool and Suarez in private. 5 minutes. Apologies if necessary. Walk away. Drama over. Instead he went crying to Mummy (FA), like a b*tch

This is what galls me the most. The attention seeking little rat that he is. He knew full well the impact going crying to the FA would have, and did it cynically, and coldly. He is a man i have no respect for. Actually, calling him a man is pretty generous. He acted like a 4 yr old girl. And deserves respect, from no one

There are many valid reasons to dislike Patrice Evra, but reporting what he believed to be racist abuse is not one of them and makes him no less of a man.

J. Marston · 21-12-2011 05:12AM

manual_man wrote: »

Except Evra could have been a man and confronted Liverpool and Suarez in private. 5 minutes. Apologies if necessary. Walk away. Drama over. Instead he went crying to Mummy (FA), like a b*tch

This is what galls me the most. The attention seeking little rat that he is. He knew full well the impact going crying to the FA would have, and did it cynically, and coldly. He is a man i have no respect for. Actually, calling him a man is pretty generous. He acted like a 4 yr old girl. And deserves respect, from no one

manual_man · 21-12-2011 05:13AM

Revolution9 wrote: »

manual_man wrote: »

Except Evra could have been a man and confronted Liverpool and Suarez in private. 5 minutes. Apologies if necessary. Walk away. Drama over. Instead he went crying to Mummy (FA), like a b*tch

This is what galls me the most. The attention seeking little rat that he is. He knew full well the impact going crying to the FA would have, and did it cynically, and coldly. He is a man i have no respect for. Actually, calling him a man is pretty generous. He acted like a 4 yr old girl. And deserves respect, from no one

There are many valid reasons to dislike Patrice Evra, but reporting what he believed to be racist abuse is not one of them and makes him no less of a man.

Like i said, he could have dealt with it like a man, and didnt, so yes absolutely he is less of a person imo

We'll have to disagree on this one

manual_man · 21-12-2011 05:15AM

J. Marston wrote: »

manual_man wrote: »

Except Evra could have been a man and confronted Liverpool and Suarez in private. 5 minutes. Apologies if necessary. Walk away. Drama over. Instead he went crying to Mummy (FA), like a b*tch

This is what galls me the most. The attention seeking little rat that he is. He knew full well the impact going crying to the FA would have, and did it cynically, and coldly. He is a man i have no respect for. Actually, calling him a man is pretty generous. He acted like a 4 yr old girl. And deserves respect, from no one

I'm happy dude. I just dont think Patrice is

Pro. F · 21-12-2011 05:20AM

manual_man wrote: »

Except Evra could have been a man and confronted Liverpool and Suarez in private. 5 minutes. Apologies if necessary. Walk away. Drama over. Instead he went crying to Mummy (FA), like a b*tch

This is what galls me the most. The attention seeking little rat that he is. He knew full well the impact going crying to the FA would have, and did it cynically, and coldly. He is a man i have no respect for. Actually, calling him a man is pretty generous. He acted like a 4 yr old girl. And deserves respect, from no one

How is reporting racism to the authorities being in any way cowardly? Whichever action is most effective at stamping out racism would be justified for any man or woman to do.

Highlighting racism and getting it punished is in no way attention seeking. Do you not think that racism is serious enough to get the authorities involved?

Your whole post is pathetic and immature.

niallo27 · 21-12-2011 05:24AM

Blatter wrote: »

I find some of the points raised in it valid.

You have to admit, it is a lolistic statement from Liverpool. I'm not surprised by the sentiment of the statement, they would look foolish to do a U-turn now, but the much of the content is laughable tbf.

We cant be sure until we get the official report, if it turns out he was found guilty on evras word alone and evra has abused Suarez and not being charged, i don't find a lot wrong with the statement.

Xavi6 · 21-12-2011 05:31AM

mormank wrote: »

Blatter wrote: »

I found this article analysing Liverpool's statement interesting.

http://www.surrealfootball.com/2011/12/20/forensic-examination-of-the-luis-suarez-statement/

you found this article interesting huh?? I find it to be very biased and presumptuous. Was it written by Fergie by any chance?

Not Fergie but they are United fans.

Blatter · 21-12-2011 05:34AM

niallo27 wrote: »

We cant be sure until we get the official report, if it turns out he was found guilty on evras word alone and evra has abused Suarez and not being charged, i don't find a lot wrong with the statement.

Even if the above scenario does turn out to be true, the statement will still be retarded in the extreme.

Insinuating that because Suarez has a black grandfather and has links to other black people he can't be capable of a racial slur is beyond ridiculous.

And why is Evra credible when he says Suarez isn’t racist but not credible when he says he’s made a racist remark? How does it work? When is Evra allowed to be considered ‘credible’?

Looking back over the statement and studying it, I really can't believe some of the dross that's in it and it's quite frankly embarrassing.

manual_man · 21-12-2011 05:35AM

Pro. F wrote: »

manual_man wrote: »

Except Evra could have been a man and confronted Liverpool and Suarez in private. 5 minutes. Apologies if necessary. Walk away. Drama over. Instead he went crying to Mummy (FA), like a b*tch

This is what galls me the most. The attention seeking little rat that he is. He knew full well the impact going crying to the FA would have, and did it cynically, and coldly. He is a man i have no respect for. Actually, calling him a man is pretty generous. He acted like a 4 yr old girl. And deserves respect, from no one

How is reporting racism to the authorities being in any way cowardly? Whichever action is most effective at stamping out racism would be justified for any man or woman to do.

Highlighting racism and getting it punished is in no way attention seeking. Do you not think that racism is serious enough to get the authorities involved?

Your whole post is pathetic and immature.

Youre completely acting like a kid. Just like Evra. Thats my point. I'm not condoning racist remarks. Only that this whole business could have been resolved without a media circus, and Evra knew that. And if you think what you call 'highlighting racism' in this case is a positive, youre completely and utterly wrong. People can feel the bad vibes coming from this furore, and mark my words it will INCREASE racial tensions in society, not decrease them. And if you see this as a positive, fair play to you. Like i said. A private confrontation. 5 minutes. Done and dusted. No different when a person wants to confront someone over anything else, doesnt fu**ing matter if its about skin colour or anything else, you man up and confront the person, coz you want to resolve the problem, find closure. Evra chickened out of the confrontation and got the whole world and it's granny involved, when its none of their f***ing business. This was a matter between TWO people, and should have stayed so, only for one of the parties (at least) didnt want a swift resolution. I'll say it again, the man is a little rat

jebidiah · 21-12-2011 05:39AM

I dont see why not. He'll hopefully get a run of games and start putting them away.

He is not a bad striker. End of.

Hopefully this creates a good mentality in the dressing room. Bonding the team even further!

Pro. F · 21-12-2011 05:41AM

A lot of that LFC statement is really badly constructed. So it is kind of funny. If it comes out that Suarez hasn't been found guilty on the word of Evra alone then it will make a laughing stock of the club.

J. Marston · 21-12-2011 06:01AM

Evra reacts to Liverpool's statement...

bradlente · 21-12-2011 06:05AM

8 games seems VERY harsh to me,If theres more evidence that we don't know about regarding the case fair enough,But if there isn't then the FA are really going to have to walk the walk with Terry,A case that has video evidence and appears to be a lot more inflammatory.

In the next few days both stories could get very interesting.Surely Liverpool will appeal this ban,It'd be incredibly hypocrital of them not to do so at this stage.

Pro. F · 21-12-2011 06:06AM

manual_man wrote: »

I'm not condoning racist remarks. Only that this whole business could have been resolved without a media circus, and Evra knew that. And if you think what you call 'highlighting racism' in this case is a positive, youre completely and utterly wrong. People can feel the bad vibes coming from this furore, and mark my words it will INCREASE racial tensions in society, not decrease them. And if you see this as a positive, fair play to you.

Nonsense. The old cry of trying to pin the blame for racism on the victim and portray them as attention seekers and trouble makers. If Evra wants to stop footballers on the pitch being racially abused by other players then doing his part to get a footballer who racially abused him called up before the authorities and punished will be very effective. Having a private word with Suarez would have meant that Suarez got off much more lightly then he should. It is a serious issue and an eight match ban is perfectly justified for racial abuse. Do you think it would be right that somebody who uses racial abuse on the pitch gets away without punishment? Is racial abuse not serious enough to be worth punishing?

The only racial tensions this will increase is among the racists who want an excuse for their racism. It is not Evra's fault that racists will use cases like this as a reason to justify their words and actions. Racists are logic defying, hate filled cretins and society is much harmed when we fear to enact our normal rules because of the racists' much hyped backlash.

manual_man wrote: »

Like i said. A private confrontation. 5 minutes. Done and dusted. No different when a person wants to confront someone over anything else, doesnt fu**ing matter if its about skin colour or anything else, you man up and confront the person, coz you want to resolve the problem, find closure. Evra chickened out of the confrontation and got the whole world and it's granny involved, when its none of their f***ing business. This was a matter between TWO people, and should have stayed so, only for one of the parties (at least) didnt want a swift resolution. I'll say it again, the man is a little rat

It is not just a matter between these two. If Suarez racially abused Evra and got away without punishment then he might racially abuse other people. It is not a matter just between Suarez and Evra, it is a matter between Suarez and people who don't accept racism.

Professional Griefer · 21-12-2011 06:08AM

manual_man wrote: »

Youre completely acting like a kid. Just like Evra. Thats my point. I'm not condoning racist remarks. Only that this whole business could have been resolved without a media circus, and Evra knew that. And if you think what you call 'highlighting racism' in this case is a positive, youre completely and utterly wrong. People can feel the bad vibes coming from this furore, and mark my words it will INCREASE racial tensions in society, not decrease them. And if you see this as a positive, fair play to you. Like i said. A private confrontation. 5 minutes. Done and dusted. No different when a person wants to confront someone over anything else, doesnt fu**ing matter if its about skin colour or anything else, you man up and confront the person, coz you want to resolve the problem, find closure. Evra chickened out of the confrontation and got the whole world and it's granny involved, when its none of their f***ing business. This was a matter between TWO people, and should have stayed so, only for one of the parties (at least) didnt want a swift resolution. I'll say it again, the man is a little rat

You think a private conversation is the answer? Then why wouldn't players do it all the time to wind someone else up, cause it will upset people, and provoke a reaction, with the likely outcome to be a red card?

Sure **** it, afterwards, go for a conversation.

If a United player has racially abused a Liverpool player you'd call for their head. But keep saying nasty things about him, shows just the type of person you are.

Corholio · 21-12-2011 06:21AM

manual_man wrote: »

Youre completely acting like a kid. Just like Evra. Thats my point. I'm not condoning racist remarks. Only that this whole business could have been resolved without a media circus, and Evra knew that. And if you think what you call 'highlighting racism' in this case is a positive, youre completely and utterly wrong. People can feel the bad vibes coming from this furore, and mark my words it will INCREASE racial tensions in society, not decrease them. And if you see this as a positive, fair play to you. Like i said. A private confrontation. 5 minutes. Done and dusted. No different when a person wants to confront someone over anything else, doesnt fu**ing matter if its about skin colour or anything else, you man up and confront the person, coz you want to resolve the problem, find closure. Evra chickened out of the confrontation and got the whole world and it's granny involved, when its none of their f***ing business. This was a matter between TWO people, and should have stayed so, only for one of the parties (at least) didnt want a swift resolution. I'll say it again, the man is a little rat

Not a Pool or Man U fan and first time posting in any of these Suarez/Evra/Racism threads, but your post is incredible. I can't believe some of the stuff your saying. A 5 minute chat to solve Suarez racially abusing him? Done and dusted? Dosen't matter if it's about skin colour or anything else? I think hundreds of years of history would like to have a few words with you over that. None of their business? You do realise racism is actually a crime, as in a legal crime, yes? Man up and confront the person?? Are you from a street gang or something? Some people would argue the only proper 'confrontation' for receiving racial abuse would be to knock the head clean off Suarez.

I can imagine Martin Luther King's speech including the famous line "5 minutes, done and dusted"

Sir Gallagher · 21-12-2011 06:23AM

Just read the club statement on the Suarez ban and i'm embarrassed to be honest.

manual_man · 21-12-2011 07:04AM

Pro. F wrote: »

manual_man wrote: »

I'm not condoning racist remarks. Only that this whole business could have been resolved without a media circus, and Evra knew that. And if you think what you call 'highlighting racism' in this case is a positive, youre completely and utterly wrong. People can feel the bad vibes coming from this furore, and mark my words it will INCREASE racial tensions in society, not decrease them. And if you see this as a positive, fair play to you.

Nonsense. The old cry of trying to pin the blame for racism on the victim and portray them as attention seekers and trouble makers. If Evra wants to stop footballers on the pitch being racially abused by other players then doing his part to get a footballer who racially abused him called up before the authorities and punished will be very effective. Having a private word with Suarez would have meant that Suarez got off much more lightly then he should. It is a serious issue and an eight match ban is perfectly justified for racial abuse. Do you think it would be right that somebody who uses racial abuse on the pitch gets away without punishment? Is racial abuse not serious enough to be worth punishing?

The only racial tensions this will increase is among the racists who want an excuse for their racism. It is not Evra's fault that racists will use cases like this as a reason to justify their words and actions. Racists are logic defying, hate filled cretins and society is much harmed when we fear to enact our normal rules because of the racists' much hyped backlash.

manual_man wrote: »

Like i said. A private confrontation. 5 minutes. Done and dusted. No different when a person wants to confront someone over anything else, doesnt fu**ing matter if its about skin colour or anything else, you man up and confront the person, coz you want to resolve the problem, find closure. Evra chickened out of the confrontation and got the whole world and it's granny involved, when its none of their f***ing business. This was a matter between TWO people, and should have stayed so, only for one of the parties (at least) didnt want a swift resolution. I'll say it again, the man is a little rat

It is not just a matter between these two. If Suarez racially abused Evra and got away without punishment then he might racially abuse other people. It is not a matter just between Suarez and Evra, it is a matter between Suarez and people who don't accept racism.

Look i think it should have been dealt with in private, to start with. To promote some sort of reconciliation with the players. I have no problem with the FA mediating in this (again, privately), and dishing out bans as a result of what was proved / admitted etc. Even have a press conference (with the players involved) to give them a chance to apologize for their actions (where necessary), and generally bring awareness to the issue. THIS would be positive. I just find the way Evra has gone about it sneaky, underhand. And i dont like it

niallo27 · 21-12-2011 08:21AM

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

Just read the club statement on the Suarez ban and i'm embarrassed to be honest.

There must be a reason it's so strong worded though, would they put this out there if they knew it could be shot to pieces. I'm a bit surprised by it but I would not say embarrassed.

Handsome Bob · 21-12-2011 08:24AM

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

Just read the club statement on the Suarez ban and i'm embarrassed to be honest.

It had to be, it's important we aren't submissive.

_blank_ · 21-12-2011 09:06AM

Peopple saying Liverpool should take the FA to court.

Yeah, sure.

Do that, and Liverpool will get English teams kicked out of Europe.

greendom · 21-12-2011 09:06AM

No the public nature of the case has been a good thing. It means now that any players coming over to play in the EPL or even English players will be under no doubt what constitutes racist abuse in the UK and that it is not tolerated. If a similar case had happened previously, you can be sure that Suarez wouldn't have used the language he did.

killwill · 21-12-2011 09:09AM

The-Rigger wrote: »

Hasn't Evra admitted saying 'don't touch me you south american'.
Admission is enough evidence = where is his ban?

Noone made an official complaint about Evra.
Also I don't think he did say that. Neither Evra or suarez, to my knowledge, have claimed this.

Leiva · 21-12-2011 09:20AM

Des wrote: »

Peopple saying Liverpool should take the FA to court.

Yeah, sure.

Do that, and Liverpool will get English teams kicked out of Europe.

What are you on about .

YouTookMyName · 21-12-2011 09:26AM

Injury free for 1 month! Congrats Fabio!

Necronomicon · 21-12-2011 09:27AM

manual_man wrote: »

Except Evra could have been a man and confronted Liverpool and Suarez in private. 5 minutes. Apologies if necessary. Walk away. Drama over.

Are you Sepp Blatter in disguise?

_blank_ · 21-12-2011 09:28AM

mixednuts wrote: »

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What are you on about .

Every team signs a participation agreement at the start of the season, part of it states that teams won't take the FA through the public court process. If they do, the sanction imposed by UEFA is that all teams from the association will be booted from UEFA competitions.

It's currently hanging over Swiss teams regarding the Sion affair which saw Celtic re-insated, Basle could be booted from the CL.

Leiva · 21-12-2011 09:29AM

If all the evidence is two conversations in the box and what was said and only heard between two players then I hope Liverpool persue this to the end and take it to a higher level/court .

Cause I firmly believe that if that's all the FA are going on this has the potential to bring them down ... Yes bring them down .

This could easily get politicalised if over turned in a court of law and some serious questions been asked why this course of action was taken .

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