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Irish Government is set to censor the internet

  • 19-12-2011 02:44PM
    #1
    RATM
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,591 ✭✭✭RATM


    Seems like the Irish government is going to issue an order that allows the internet to be censored, at the behest of the music industry. This is only the beginning of online censorship by government, it will be interesting to see how this latest attempt plays out and even more interesting to see the resourceful ways that people will find around it.

    Full Article http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2011/1219/1224309259318.html

    THE GOVERNMENT is set to tackle illegal downloading of music and films in January by plugging a gap in the Republic’s laws that allows internet users access to sites that “pirate” this material.

    Minister of State for Enterprise Seán Sherlock is to publish an order early in the new year that is expected to allow music publishers, film producers and other parties to go to court to prevent internet service providers from allowing their customers access to pirate websites.

    The Department of Enterprise, Innovation and Jobs has written to music publisher EMI Ireland confirming the order will be published and incorporated into existing legislation in January. Mr Sherlock also said in a written answer to a parliamentary question that the order, or statutory instrument, would be published next month.

    EMI Ireland recently warned the Government that it would take legal action against the State if the Government did not address the problem.

    Its chief executive, Willie Kavanagh, is not ruling out going ahead with this if the statutory order does not give companies such as his a clear right to seek court injunctions against internet service providers that allow access to music and video piracy websites.

    His company was involved in the High Court case that originally highlighted the loophole in Irish law in October last year.

    EMI sought an injunction against UPC, ordering it to block access to websites that allowed illegal downloading. While the court found that EMI’s rights were breached, Mr Justice Peter Charleton pointed out that he could not grant the injunction as the Copyright Act did not provide for this remedy.

    And this is the Labour TD who is going to make it happen with a government order in January
    http://seansherlock.ie/


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Comments

  • #2
    D1stant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,806 ✭✭✭D1stant


    Oh nooooo!

    Enda is going to 'stand down' the Internet


  • #3
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056488459


  • #4
    FatherLen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,808 ✭✭✭FatherLen


    so get downloading now people.


  • #5
    later12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,298 ✭✭✭✭later12


    Seán Sherlock is to publish an order early in the new year that is expected to allow music publishers, film producers and other parties to go to court to prevent internet service providers from allowing their customers access to pirate websites.
    Sounds reasonable.

    As much as lots of people enjoy free downloads, a company ought to be perfectly entitled to protect their sales.

    Not quite censoring the internet, the government are simply putting a procedure in motion that will allow the courts to decide what is legal and what is not.


  • #6
    magicianz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,115 ✭✭✭magicianz


    Tbh I'm hoping Anonymous will see this and get their feathers all a-ruffled about the censorship :P Its not like its going to be hard to get into Irish networks :L


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  • #7
    Fishooks12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,318 ✭✭✭Fishooks12


    Not so much censorship as anti-theft

    Yet another Government related thread with a highly misleading inflammatory title



    Although I will miss my Dvdrips!


  • #8
    Kojak
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,801 ✭✭✭✭Kojak


    Fúck off Irish Government.

    Seems like thye are going to follow the line of China and North Korea....


  • #9
    Seachmall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭Seachmall


    Law can't pass. ISPs will tell the courts to Fuck Off.
    Brussels, 24 November 2011
    The European Internet Services Providers Association

    (EuroISPA) welcomes the Court of Justice’s ruling that network providers cannot be required to engage in large scale filtering of all users’ communications.

    EuroISPA and its members welcome the Court of Justice’s clarification in the Scarlet extended case that existing EU law preclude network providers from implementing systems for large scale filtering and blocking of users’ electronic communications. This ruling guarantees the protection under EU law of fundamental rights and the freedom of a network provider to conduct its business. Intellectual property rights should be respected but are not inviolable, and disproportionate technical enforcement that infringes on the rights of others is contrary to EU law.

    The court ruled that a requiring Internet Service Providers to conduct general filtering of Internet traffic for to prevent copyright infringement is incompatible with the Electronic Commerce Directive and with fundamental rights. Requiring an ISP to install such a complicated, costly computer system at its own expense is a serious infringement of the freedom to conduct business. What is more, such systematic analysis of all content passing through the network undermines both the customers’ right to protection of their personal data and their right to receive and impart information.

    The ruling from the Court of Justice of the EU will have serious implications for content blocking systems imposed on ISPs in other Member States, especially where these are also maintained at the ISP’s expense.

    “The Internet industry plays a crucial part in connecting European citizens and businesses
    to information, news, entertainment, social media, cultural content and other public interest content. This ruling is therefore of fundamental importance for the future of the Internet and the development of a strong Digital Single Market,” said Malcolm Hutty, President of EuroISPA “Considering the major contribution that the Internet industry can make to the economic recovery, it was indeed not the time to put the innovation of the Internet at risk, and it is of fundamental importance for the future of the Internet that the principles reaffirmed in the ruling are respected”, he continued.

    - ISPAI


  • #10
    paddyandy
    Site Banned Posts: 2,037 ✭✭✭paddyandy


    That is about Intellectual Copyright a different matter A l t o g e t h t e r .!!!!!


  • #11
    number10a
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,062 ✭✭✭number10a


    This being Ireland, it won't be designed properly anyway so it won't work unless you go to http://www.download-pirate-illegal-music.com/ or such similar blatantly obvious websites.


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  • #12
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    later10 wrote: »
    Sounds reasonable.

    I believe the death of the concept of intellectual property is inevitable.

    The sooner the better imo.


  • #13
    The Internet Explorer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 789 ✭✭✭The Internet Explorer


    Aaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr !


  • #14
    hooradiation
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭hooradiation


    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    I believe the death of the concept of intellectual property is inevitable.

    The sooner the better imo.

    Yeah, I mean the notion of being able to own and profit from the works you create? Madness, amirite?
    I mean, seriously, fuck those guys, making things and expecting to be paid for it.......


  • #15
    Dartz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,458 ✭✭✭Dartz


    Jaysus, we're going to need to build a bigger wall so to line all these bastards up against.


  • #16
    Auvers
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,987 ✭✭✭Auvers


    the horse has long since bolted, this is just silly.

    There are way to many places from \newgroups\dropboxes\seedboxes\blogs\etc and other methods of getting illegal data that this sort of probation is just not going to work, its just going to cost the record companies cash in the long run


  • #17
    DB21
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,715 ✭✭✭DB21


    Thankfully, THAT METHOD is legal. PB says y'arr.


  • #18
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    hooradiation wrote: »
    Yeah, I mean the notion of being able to own and profit from the works you create? Madness, amirite?
    I mean, seriously, fuck those guys, making things and expecting to be paid for it.......

    Most people don't partake in something that gives them joy for profit.

    Creativity is unlikely to fade with the ending of copyright.

    Indeed the internet has allowed talent to flourish while traditional sources are bombarding us with rubbishy boy bands and x-factor manufactured shite.

    Roll on the revolution. (it will not be televised).


  • #19
    Liam Byrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,152 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    Chronically misleading thread title!

    Censoring involves limiting what you say or do.......stopping you breaking the law is - here in the real world - a different topic entirely.


  • #20
    Cathaoirleach
    Closed Accounts Posts: 701 ✭✭✭Cathaoirleach


    Spineless Eircom have already censored thepiratebay.org

    One down, thousands to go. Fn idiots. :rolleyes:


  • #21
    Voodoo_rasher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 521 ✭✭✭Voodoo_rasher


    "And this is the Labour TD who is going to make it happen with a government order in January
    http://seansherlock.ie/"

    No Sh#t Sherlock!


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  • #22
    hooradiation
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭hooradiation


    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    Most people don't partake in something that gives them joy for profit.

    So?
    What does this actually mean, that people who create content ought not to be able to profit from it because you think that they should do it for "the love of it?"
    Is that it? Please tell me it's not and you're just not explaining yourself well.


    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    Creativity is unlikely to fade with the ending of copyright.

    Didn't say it would, no idea why you'd think to say this.
    Doesn't seem to address the question of why you think the concept of intellectual property needs to be "done away with"
    Why don't people who make 'creative' things deserve to profit from it?

    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    Indeed the internet has allowed talent to flourish while traditional sources are bombarding us with rubbishy boy bands and x-factor manufactured shite.

    Once again, Why do you think this has to do with anything?
    I am fucking puzzled as to why you think this is relevant.

    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    Roll on the revolution. (it will not be televised).

    What "revolution"?


  • #23
    kincsem
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,012 ✭✭✭kincsem


    I see the OP is RATM

    These people?
    Critics have noted Rage Against the Machine for its "fiercely polemical music, which brewed sloganeering leftist rants against corporate America, cultural imperialism, and government oppression into a Molotov cocktail of punk, hip hop, and thrash."
    As of 2010, they have sold over 16 million records worldwide.

    Nice earner for those guys. They have the faux-activism, tours, break-ups, reunions, projects, farewell tours thing going well.

    Enough of this scaremongering already.


  • #24
    AnonoBoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    Remember in the 80's when all those bomb threats were being phoned in to different locations in the North?

    Remember how the government successfully stamped them out by suing the phone companies for allowing their service to be used for illegal activity?

    The same smart thinking is totally going to solve the problem of online piracy.


  • #25
    charlemont
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,725 ✭✭✭charlemont


    Ireland...The arse-licking country.:mad:


  • #26
    TheZohanS
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,581 ✭✭✭✭TheZohanS


    It's good that the Government are focusing on the big problems like illegal downloads...god forbid those cretins tackled something like unemployment.

    Useless bunch of fùckers.


  • #27
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    hooradiation wrote: »
    So?What does this actually mean, that people who create content ought not to be able to profit from it because you think that they should do it for "the love of it?"

    They can profit from it by doing gigs, selling paraphernalia like t-shirts and collectibles. They can request that people pay if they like their work. They can also seek payment on the assurance that more composition will follow.

    Copying music is not like stealing in the traditional sense because nothing is being taken. If a TV or Radio program use a song to promote itself then the composer should be remunerated.
    Didn't say it would, no idea why you'd think to say this.
    Doesn't seem to address the question of why you think the concept of intellectual property needs to be "done away with"
    Why don't people who make 'creative' things deserve to profit from it?

    In it's current guise intellectual property is stifling creativity and innovation. Look at Microsoft. It has a total stranglehold on the computer software market due to it's state granted privilege in the form of copyright. They've been in court in the US and EU for anti-trust transgressions.
    What "revolution"?

    The unrestricted transfer of information and media. The internet revolution.

    Recently wrinkly millionaire Cliff Richard had copyright laws pushed out from 50 to 75 years (I think) against the wishes of entire countries in the EU.

    So effectively you and I pay to protect his privilege.

    I'm against privilege.


  • #28
    dlofnep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    Torrent sites are not used purely for illegal content. They are also used for genuine content like ISOs for open source operating systems, free games, open source software, etc.. It is a futile exercise - you block one tracker, another will popup. And you certainly can't block a protocol like bittorrent.

    Stupid move.


  • #29
    nimrod86
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 789 ✭✭✭nimrod86


    number10a wrote: »
    This being Ireland, it won't be designed properly anyway so it won't work unless you go to http://www.download-pirate-illegal-music.com/ or such similar blatantly obvious websites.

    it's already begun!!! that sites down!!! the Bástárds!


  • #30
    Kasabian
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,688 ✭✭✭Kasabian


    The liberal use of mis-leading thread titles in AH should be censored.

    Giving people the power to protect their product is not censorship.


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  • #31
    Seachmall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭Seachmall


    Kasabian wrote: »
    Giving people the power to protect their product is not censorship.

    This may be what the law intends but it's not what it will accomplish.

    It'll filter websites (whatever websites the entertainment industries decides need to be filtered) which in essence prevents websites publishing their content to an Irish audience, which is censorship.

    But, once again, it won't pass. If it does ISPs will simply take it to the European Courts and they'll simply take the same stance they have done in the past; i.e. no internet filtering.


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