Internship scheme offers 5,000 work placements to people on the dole

Worztron · 13-12-2011 02:41PM

Does the number of work placements stay at 5,000 or will the government allow for more places?
The whole thing is a joke.

siltirocker · 13-12-2011 02:45PM

Worztron wrote: »

Does the number of work placements stay at 5,000 or will the government allow for more places?
The whole thing is a joke.

You do understand that these are filtered after applicants apply. These people aren't ACTUALLY getting interns. When they accept them and go to register FÁS block them.

There are no Deli Assitant interns or Fuel Injection technicians on Jobbridge that are actually accepted. They are not being stopped advertising them, but FÁS come in and stop things after.

abouttobebanned · 13-12-2011 02:58PM

I have a couple of problems with this scheme.

1. If you have been on job seekers benefit for a while and you have applied for many jobs and ended up going for a work placement you will encounter some problems. The social welfare don't really care about job placements. What I mean is, if you have run out of stamps you will need to be means tested, placement or no placement. This means that you may have to work for FREE that is no dole til your means test has been processed and that can take up to 6 months.

2. There are some "arts" organisations that are piggybacking on legitimate companies in order to try and get some "graduates". This means that you go to an interview on the belief that you're going to be doing a job for a particular company only to be told that it's a separate company all together and you will in fact be working for a volunteer organisation with zero chance of employment.

There are some good people who are championing this jobsbridge scheme but it sickens me. Businesses who can't afford, for example a marketing department, hire someone through a placement and then treat that person like an employee - making demands etc. It needs to be revised as soon as possible.

siltirocker · 13-12-2011 04:00PM

abouttobebanned wrote: »

I have a couple of problems with this scheme.

1. If you have been on job seekers benefit for a while and you have applied for many jobs and ended up going for a work placement you will encounter some problems. The social welfare don't really care about job placements. What I mean is, if you have run out of stamps you will need to be means tested, placement or no placement. This means that you may have to work for FREE that is no dole til your means test has been processed and that can take up to 6 months.

2. There are some "arts" organisations that are piggybacking on legitimate companies in order to try and get some "graduates". This means that you go to an interview on the belief that you're going to be doing a job for a particular company only to be told that it's a separate company all together and you will in fact be working for a volunteer organisation with zero chance of employment.

There are some good people who are championing this jobsbridge scheme but it sickens me. Businesses who can't afford, for example a marketing department, hire someone through a placement and then treat that person like an employee - making demands etc. It needs to be revised as soon as possible.

Not on Jobbridge. Your stamps are not affected and left whilst on Jobbridge. If your internship finishes up and you have not secured a job and go back on welfare then they come back into play untouched from the day you began your internship.

Katgurl · 13-12-2011 04:10PM

siltirocker wrote: »

Worztron wrote: »

Does the number of work placements stay at 5,000 or will the government allow for more places?
The whole thing is a joke.

You do understand that these are filtered after applicants apply. These people aren't ACTUALLY getting interns. When they accept them and go to register FÁS block them.

There are no Deli Assitant interns or Fuel Injection technicians on Jobbridge that are actually accepted. They are not being stopped advertising them, but FÁS come in and stop things after.

I don't understand this, can you explain it again?

AnnyHallsal · 13-12-2011 04:12PM

siltirocker wrote: »

You do understand that these are filtered after applicants apply. These people aren't ACTUALLY getting interns. When they accept them and go to register FÁS block them.

There are no Deli Assitant interns or Fuel Injection technicians on Jobbridge that are actually accepted. They are not being stopped advertising them, but FÁS come in and stop things after.

Why are they allowed advertise them in the first place? Are the positions screened first by FAS? What you describe seems extremely inefficient.

abouttobebanned · 13-12-2011 04:17PM

siltirocker wrote: »

Not on Jobbridge. Your stamps are not affected and left whilst on Jobbridge. If your internship finishes up and you have not secured a job and go back on welfare then they come back into play untouched from the day you began your internship.

I'd imagine it would be very easy for people to confuse "jobbridge" and other placements. Take a look on FAS now and 85% of what you see is placements of some kind.

Nothingbetter2d · 13-12-2011 06:12PM

stupidusername wrote: »

i'm doing the wpp at the moment. so is a girl that i'm working with. she's been there since september and has been told now that there's no paid job for her.

I'll have my 6 months done in mid august, and can't really see me being offered a paid job either. i mean what i'm doing is a bit more important, but doesn't change how cheap my boss is.

report that to the dole office when your finished.... that cheap ass boss wont be allowed more interns again

Nothingbetter2d · 13-12-2011 06:15PM

abouttobebanned wrote: »

I have a couple of problems with this scheme.

1. If you have been on job seekers benefit for a while and you have applied for many jobs and ended up going for a work placement you will encounter some problems. The social welfare don't really care about job placements. What I mean is, if you have run out of stamps you will need to be means tested, placement or no placement. This means that you may have to work for FREE that is no dole til your means test has been processed and that can take up to 6 months.

2. There are some "arts" organisations that are piggybacking on legitimate companies in order to try and get some "graduates". This means that you go to an interview on the belief that you're going to be doing a job for a particular company only to be told that it's a separate company all together and you will in fact be working for a volunteer organisation with zero chance of employment.

There are some good people who are championing this jobsbridge scheme but it sickens me. Businesses who can't afford, for example a marketing department, hire someone through a placement and then treat that person like an employee - making demands etc. It needs to be revised as soon as possible.

i liked the advert for a vajezzler

abouttobebanned · 13-12-2011 06:22PM

Wha?

Ace2007 · 13-12-2011 08:33PM

Nothingbetter2d wrote: »

report that to the dole office when your finished.... that cheap ass boss wont be allowed more interns again

a) that was 6 months ago
b) there is no guarantee of a job so what is there to report - he's doing nothing illegal.

How was your fist day df1985?

theg81der · 13-12-2011 08:38PM

Have applied for few of these and i can`t understand whats going on. Been interview for a good few but they reappear on fas and are never filled - anyone know whats the story?

stupidusername · 13-12-2011 09:45PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

a) that was 6 months ago
b) there is no guarantee of a job so what is there to report - he's doing nothing illegal.

How was your fist day df1985?

It was 6months ago,i was asked to stay till 9months,i did,and now i've finished. But yeah there is no obligation to keep people on.

siltirocker · 14-12-2011 01:55AM

AnnyHallsal wrote: »

Why are they allowed advertise them in the first place? Are the positions screened first by FAS? What you describe seems extremely inefficient.

Incredibly. Put up 'snot taster' if you'd like. Sure half the jobs put up there for the ridiculous positions are fake and are made by trolls. There is next to no admin on the site.

FÁS only check what's going on when a company comes to them trying to register an intern. Which is when they step in and go bull****. That's why only 25% or something like that of the 5,000 internships have been filled, the majority are rejected by FÁS on exploitation reasons.

AnnyHallsal · 14-12-2011 11:47AM

siltirocker wrote: »

Incredibly. Put up 'snot taster' if you'd like. Sure half the jobs put up there for the ridiculous positions are fake and are made by trolls. There is next to no admin on the site.

FÁS only check what's going on when a company comes to them trying to register an intern. Which is when they step in and go bull****. That's why only 25% or something like that of the 5,000 internships have been filled, the majority are rejected by FÁS on exploitation reasons.

Positions are only added between office hours - nine to five, Monday to Friday. Why would that be so if anyone can add a position any time? I'm not doubting you, just thought that would suggest FAS employee involvement.

siltirocker · 14-12-2011 12:11PM

AnnyHallsal wrote: »

Positions are only added between office hours - nine to five, Monday to Friday. Why would that be so if anyone can add a position any time? I'm not doubting you, just thought that would suggest FAS employee involvement.

There is admin (employees of W3C) on the site that post up what is sent in, but positions are not checked by FÁS at all really before they go up. Only when someone tries to register an intern do FÁS Mediators check it out.

So whilst Tesco were looking for 150 shelf stockers, I'm pretty sure they got less than I can count on my fingers in the end. And how they got that is by an intern verbally/in print requesting that their Mediator accept. (For the extra €50 no doubt).

Jarren · 14-12-2011 07:37PM

CURRENT VACANCIES

Job Ref DRV - Job Bridge
Job Title Driver / Driver's Helper Job Bridge Intern
Job Type Full-time
Location West Dublin - Greenouge
Description
Job Title: Greenstar Driver (C Licence)
Job Status: FAS Job Bridge Internship
Reporting To: Transport or Operations Supervisor or Manager
Location: West Dublin - Greenouge

Role Purpose:

* To safely deliver and collect waste, bins and skips in line with customer requirements.

Key responsibilities include:

* Carry out required vehicle condition checks as required on daily or weekly basis in accordance with company policy (Drivers Manual)
* Carry out assigned collection and delivery targets on a daily/weekly basis.
* Be 100% compliant with health, safety, smoking regulations and environmental requirements.
* Maintain written and electronic records as required.
* Assist in route optimisation through the use of GPS system.
* Maintain the cleanliness of the assigned company vehicle to agreed standards.
* Deal courteously with customers and relay any relevant information on delivery or customer requirements to the relevant Greenstar staff.
* Communicate information that could potentially improve customer service or increase business.
* Work flexibly in line with the requirements of the depot.
* Assist in training new personnel, as required.
* Communicate effectively with helpers (where relevant) and ensure their health and safety.
* Participate in company mandated training.
* Carry out any other duties as required in line with meeting Greenstar company objectives.
* Observing and maintaining Greenstar values.

Key Performance Indicators

* Route knowledge
* Productivity
* Health & safety awareness
* Customer service
* Condition of assigned vehicle
* Compliance with environmental, health and safety and customer requirements
* Keeping accurate records
* Attendance and timekeeping
* Competent to drive full range of Greenstar vehicles (within licence restrictions)
* Demonstrated knowledge and application of drivers manual.

Qualifications / Skills Requirement

* Valid C Licence without endorsements
* Be certified fit to undertake this role by Greenstar Occupation Health Advisors
* Attention to detail
* Well organised
* Courteous
* Self motivated with the ability to work on own initiative
* Good communication skills
* Knowledge of health and safety
* Safe Pass qualification desirable (but not essential)

Typical Vehicle Types: Box Trucks, Skip Trucks, Hook Loaders and Rear End Loaders

Job Bridge National Internship Scheme
Why Apply?
The Job Bridge National Internship Scheme offers you an alternative if you have been unable to find paid work. If you secure a placement you have an opportunity to keep your skills fresh in a real work environment so that you will be better positioned when applying for your next paid job. If you are a recent graduate, you gain valuable work experience that you can add to your Curriculum Vitae

How to Apply?
To apply for placements you must be registered with FÁS. You can do this at any local FÁS Employment Service Office, or Local Employment Service Office (LES).

Once you have done this you can view our advert and apply through the FÁS Website or www.greenstar.ie

Who is Eligible?
Anyone who is in receipt of any of the following for a minimum of three months?

Jobseekers Allowance
Jobseekers Benefit
Signing for social insurance contribution credits

http://www.candidatemanager.net/cm/Micro/JobDetails.aspx?&mid=YFBW&sid=BAZUU&jid=FFDUYEV&site=Greenstar&a=mSPSz7HAkT0%253d&b=wD7bQG4veQE%253d

Sad:(:(

Cantona's Collars · 14-12-2011 08:00PM

That Greenstar one is pure unadulterated exploitation,they expect you to drive a skip lorry to deliver & pick up skips around Dublin as well as upkeep of the lorry for free:eek::mad:

AnnyHallsal · 14-12-2011 08:12PM

jarecki1976 wrote: »

CURRENT VACANCIES

Job Ref DRV - Job Bridge
Job Title Driver / Driver's Helper Job Bridge Intern
Job Type Full-time
Location West Dublin - Greenouge
Description
Job Title: Greenstar Driver (C Licence)
Job Status: FAS Job Bridge Internship
Reporting To: Transport or Operations Supervisor or Manager
Location: West Dublin - Greenouge

Role Purpose:

* To safely deliver and collect waste, bins and skips in line with customer requirements.

Key responsibilities include:

* Carry out required vehicle condition checks as required on daily or weekly basis in accordance with company policy (Drivers Manual)
* Carry out assigned collection and delivery targets on a daily/weekly basis.
* Be 100% compliant with health, safety, smoking regulations and environmental requirements.
* Maintain written and electronic records as required.
* Assist in route optimisation through the use of GPS system.
* Maintain the cleanliness of the assigned company vehicle to agreed standards.
* Deal courteously with customers and relay any relevant information on delivery or customer requirements to the relevant Greenstar staff.
* Communicate information that could potentially improve customer service or increase business.
* Work flexibly in line with the requirements of the depot.
* Assist in training new personnel, as required.
* Communicate effectively with helpers (where relevant) and ensure their health and safety.
* Participate in company mandated training.
* Carry out any other duties as required in line with meeting Greenstar company objectives.
* Observing and maintaining Greenstar values.

Key Performance Indicators

* Route knowledge
* Productivity
* Health & safety awareness
* Customer service
* Condition of assigned vehicle
* Compliance with environmental, health and safety and customer requirements
* Keeping accurate records
* Attendance and timekeeping
* Competent to drive full range of Greenstar vehicles (within licence restrictions)
* Demonstrated knowledge and application of drivers manual.

Qualifications / Skills Requirement

* Valid C Licence without endorsements
* Be certified fit to undertake this role by Greenstar Occupation Health Advisors
* Attention to detail
* Well organised
* Courteous
* Self motivated with the ability to work on own initiative
* Good communication skills
* Knowledge of health and safety
* Safe Pass qualification desirable (but not essential)

Typical Vehicle Types: Box Trucks, Skip Trucks, Hook Loaders and Rear End Loaders

Job Bridge National Internship Scheme
Why Apply?
The Job Bridge National Internship Scheme offers you an alternative if you have been unable to find paid work. If you secure a placement you have an opportunity to keep your skills fresh in a real work environment so that you will be better positioned when applying for your next paid job. If you are a recent graduate, you gain valuable work experience that you can add to your Curriculum Vitae

How to Apply?
To apply for placements you must be registered with FÁS. You can do this at any local FÁS Employment Service Office, or Local Employment Service Office (LES).

Once you have done this you can view our advert and apply through the FÁS Website or www.greenstar.ie

Who is Eligible?
Anyone who is in receipt of any of the following for a minimum of three months?

Jobseekers Allowance
Jobseekers Benefit
Signing for social insurance contribution credits

http://www.candidatemanager.net/cm/Micro/JobDetails.aspx?&mid=YFBW&sid=BAZUU&jid=FFDUYEV&site=Greenstar&a=mSPSz7HAkT0%253d&b=wD7bQG4veQE%253d

Sad:(:(

Ehm, the bolded part. The intern is supposed to be trained by a mentor themselves, not expected to train other, what, interns? Employees?

This is clearly an ad for a job hastily converted into an ad for an internship.

Sierra Oscar · 14-12-2011 09:30PM

All of these adverts should be vetted prior to them being put on the site. An absolute disgrace - and its an absolute joke that this is still occurring months after the government said it would be sorted.

AnnyHallsal · 14-12-2011 09:34PM

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

All of these adverts should be vetted prior to them being put on the site. An absolute disgrace - and its an absolute joke that this is still occurring months after the government said it would be sorted.

Joan Burton was declaring it a great success the other day. Based on what? The feedback of interns? No. A positive impact on unemployment? No. Political spin and wishful thinking.

thefinalstage · 14-12-2011 09:46PM

I still find it funny how wages are dropping and cost of living is rising.

siltirocker · 15-12-2011 04:02PM

AnnyHallsal wrote: »

Joan Burton was declaring it a great success the other day. Based on what? The feedback of interns? No. A positive impact on unemployment? No. Political spin and wishful thinking.

Whilst calling it a great success when fcuk all places have been taken up is wrong, the feedback from interns has been overwhelmingly positive, just look through this thread!

The majority of positive comment regarding the scheme are from interns of the project, while the negative one's have been coming from others (a disappointing amount of which don't even understand it and are playing the 'assumption' game to troll-esque levels).

Not having a FÁS person in charge of administration of the website though is disastrously stupid and were I reckon 90% of this negativity is directly (although unassumingly) coming from.

Millicent · 15-12-2011 04:08PM

siltirocker wrote: »

Whilst calling it a great success when fcuk all places have been taken up is wrong, the feedback from interns has been overwhelmingly positive, just look through this thread!

The majority of positive comment regarding the scheme are from interns of the project, while the negative one's have been coming from others (a disappointing amount of which don't even understand it and are playing the 'assumption' game to troll-esque levels).

Not having a FÁS person in charge of administration of the website though is disastrously stupid and were I reckon 90% of this negativity is directly (although unassumingly) coming from.

Ah, Joan, how are ya? :pac:

Seriously though, you seem very strongly in support of this scheme. May I ask why? It's being hideously abused and the unemployment figures have actually risen since its inception. I would also dispute that "The majority of positive comment regarding the scheme are from interns of the project." There has been a mixed response on this thread from interns. The giant amount though of the positive comments on this thread about the scheme have been from the "Let them work for their dole" crowd.

AnnyHallsal · 15-12-2011 04:08PM

siltirocker wrote: »

Whilst calling it a great success when fcuk all places have been taken up is wrong, the feedback from interns has been overwhelmingly positive, just look through this thread!

I was basing that on tweets from JobBridge interns on Twitter who say they were never asked for feedback. I also saw some tweets claiming that FAS were very lax with check-ups and check-ins. There certainly has been positive feedback here, but I believe Burton's was an ad hominem defence, not based on any proper evaluation. I heard no substance in her speech, anyway.

EDIT: I've also seen negative feedback about JobBridge - people saying they weren't being used in the way the ad suggested but left to do basic work, and people who have gone for interviews for jobs only to be asked if they'd do an internship instead. Very dangerous stuff.

siltirocker · 15-12-2011 04:41PM

Millicent wrote: »

Ah, Joan, how are ya? :pac:

Seriously though, you seem very strongly in support of this scheme. May I ask why? It's being hideously abused and the unemployment figures have actually risen since its inception. I would also dispute that "The majority of positive comment regarding the scheme are from interns of the project." There has been a mixed response on this thread from interns. The giant amount though of the positive comments on this thread about the scheme have been from the "Let them work for their dole" crowd.

I support Jobbridge strongly because of what it's done for myself (and a housemate of mine). I am a Marketing Manager for a Training Consultant that manages EU Commisioned Life Long Learning Programmes like Leonardo da Vinci Mobility, ERASMUS & Grundtvig, etc. this time last year I was unemployed 'musician' with a poor leaving cert in a dole queue who's ability to pull a pint was to be my fallback FOR LIFE. I thank my obvious bad-ass networking skills :cool: and Jobbridge for the turn around. In particular my FÁS Mediator who as well as hooking me up with the internship - paid for evening college for me too (through FÁS's Technical Employment Support Grant).

I also have to ask (for the 100th time on this thread :mad: ) how is it being hideously abused??? These internships that people keep posting going "That's disgraceful", "How is that legal?" etc. Well they are disgraceful and illegal and don't happen! FÁS pull the plug on these as soon as they try to register an intern. These internships NEVER happen and if someone can see / show me otherwise should report them to the Department.

7Sins · 15-12-2011 04:42PM

Did we not vote yes to Lisbon? Were we not told that a Yes vote would mean a minimum wage of less than €2? :rolleyes:

ejmaztec · 15-12-2011 04:44PM

poisonedstream wrote: »

I still find it funny how wages are dropping and cost of living is rising.

Yes, the only thing preventing me from splitting my sides with laughter is the cost of medical treatment afterwards.:(

AnnyHallsal · 15-12-2011 04:48PM

siltirocker wrote: »

I support Jobbridge strongly because of what it's done for myself (and a housemate of mine). I am a Marketing Manager for a Training Consultant that manages EU Commisioned Life Long Learning Programmes like Leonardo da Vinci Mobility, ERASMUS & Grundtvig, etc. this time last year I was unemployed 'musician' with a poor leaving cert in a dole queue who's ability to pull a pint was to be my fallback FOR LIFE. I thank my obvious bad-ass networking skills :cool: and Jobbridge for the turn around. In particular my FÁS Mediator who as well as hooking me up with the internship - paid for evening college for me too (through FÁS's Technical Employment Support Grant).

I also have to ask (for the 100th time on this thread :mad: ) how is it being hideously abused??? These internships that people keep posting going "That's disgraceful", "How is that legal?" etc. Well they are disgraceful and illegal and don't happen! FÁS pull the plug on these as soon as they try to register an intern. These internships NEVER happen and if someone can see / show me otherwise should report them to the Department.

I'm very glad to hear your success story, and don't imagine you're alone. I've said before that JobBridge offers some great opportunities for people to gain experience in careers that are difficult to break into, especially without connections, connections JobBridge helps people make.

The second part - I can't take it on faith that none of the objectionable positions are being filled. Just because someone wants to work for the dole, doesn't mean a profitable company should be allowed to exploit the process to avoid paying a wage, increasing the cost to the state.

Given that FAS are inefficient in screening the positions to begin with, why should I believe they are not allowing this exploitation to occur? If you can point me to a list of filled positions, I will investigate for myself.

Jesus Wept · 15-12-2011 05:15PM

7Sins wrote: »

Did we not vote yes to Lisbon? Were we not told that a Yes vote would mean a minimum wage of less than €2? :rolleyes:

By some retarded group whose name I can't recall, yes.

Internship scheme offers 5,000 work placements to people on the dole

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