Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12 - Mod Note 4153

corcaigh07 · 11-12-2011 09:02PM

tommyhaas wrote: »

They bought the club, of which Torres was an asset. Selling selling Torres was selling their asset, and so the Suarez and Carroll purchases were funded by the sale of their asset

and babel dont forget. im still delighted we got suarez and carroll for those 2 wasters!

monkey9 · 11-12-2011 09:05PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

So because he scored 5 goals in 37 appearances 5 years ago when he was 19 we shouldn't spend money on him now despite him having scored 60 goals in 115 appearances since then?

Who are we talking about here?

Chucky the tree · 11-12-2011 09:09PM

monkey9 wrote: »

Who are we talking about here?

Cavani.

GBX · 11-12-2011 09:09PM

tommyhaas wrote: »

If there were signs of that in training, surely the Manager would be giving him more of a chance then he has been?

True .. but they didnt spend the money on him to sit on the bench. Surely they have seen either in training/previous scouting vids etc enough to warrant signing.
Dont forget Kenny has always said they didnt sign him for 1/2 seasons. Its a 5 year contract... I guess time will tell how much he is used.

willmunny1990 · 11-12-2011 09:10PM

GBX wrote: »

Given the chance, Carroll could turn into a Rush style player. While I dont forsee him breaking Rush's records, he could have the impact needed.

Carroll still looks unfit to me, which is a disgrace. lets be honest, the signing of Andy was one of the biggest mistakes Liverpool have made. He has absolutely nothing about him.

No pace, first touch is woeful, for his size he is weak and hes not clinical.

He was a knee jerk signing by Kenny after Torres was sold.

tommyhaas · 11-12-2011 09:13PM

GBX wrote: »

True .. but they didnt spend the money on him to sit on the bench. Surely they have seen either in training/previous scouting vids etc enough to warrant signing.
Dont forget Kenny has always said they didnt sign him for 1/2 seasons. Its a 5 year contract... I guess time will tell how much he is used.

He said that in reference to rushing him back from injury though. Right now what seem's apparent is that Dalglish doesn't feel he adds to the side. Be that because of his style, or because of his limited ability, but either way its not a good sign in terms of his prospects

corcaigh07 · 11-12-2011 09:13PM

tommyhaas wrote: »

There's one common factor in all of the above, and that's poor finishing which I would suggest is of far greater relevance then luck

dont agree with that, the shots were of very decent quality, its hardly like those excellent saves were straight at the keeper or at a nice height. even just looking at yesterday, the way Cerny changed direction mid dive to help it onto the post was breathtaking.

Ruddy, De Gea, Worm, Cerny and Hart were amazing at Anfield, I dont see it as unlucky, i see them as excellent performances by those players, its just also very annoying to be on the receiving end of all those amazing saves...

barone · 11-12-2011 09:14PM

give the young lads a shout up front, the unknown aspect could help us

Iang87 · 11-12-2011 09:17PM

massive news from Kennys twitter account. He is in fact voting for Marcus tonight

GBX · 11-12-2011 09:18PM

willmunny1990 wrote: »

Carroll still looks unfit to me, which is a disgrace. lets be honest, the signing of Andy was one of the biggest mistakes Liverpool have made. He has absolutely nothing about him.

No pace, first touch is woeful, for his size he is weak and hes not clinical.

He was a knee jerk signing by Kenny after Torres was sold.

Yeah quite knee jerk.

tommyhaas wrote: »

He said that in reference to rushing him back from injury though. Right now what seem's apparent is that Dalglish doesn't feel he adds to the side. Be that because of his style, or because of his limited ability, but either way its not a good sign in terms of his prospects

His fitness/enthusiasm isnt what it should be ..

Im just trying to remain positive over his signing... I know its basically p**sing into the wind based on his recent showings .. but ya never know

tommyhaas · 11-12-2011 09:19PM

corcaigh07 wrote: »

dont agree with that, the shots were of very decent quality, its hardly like those excellent saves were straight at the keeper or at a nice height. even just looking at yesterday, the way Cerny changed direction mid dive to help it onto the post was breathtaking.

Ruddy, De Gea, Worm, Cerny and Hart were amazing at Anfield, I dont see it as unlucky, i see them as excellent performances by those players, its just also very annoying to be on the receiving end of all those amazing saves...

So is it a coincidence that all these keepers save so many shots against Liverpool, but not against other sides? I'm not disputing that keepers can often play out of their skin, but given the the stats that show that at present, Liverpool have the second worst shots to goals ratio (IIRC) in the league, I think its perfectly clear that a decent finisher/poacher is lacking

corcaigh07 · 11-12-2011 09:25PM

willmunny1990 wrote: »

Carroll still looks unfit to me, which is a disgrace. lets be honest, the signing of Andy was one of the biggest mistakes Liverpool have made. He has absolutely nothing about him.

No pace, first touch is woeful, for his size he is weak and hes not clinical.

He was a knee jerk signing by Kenny after Torres was sold.

sad thing is, I think he wants to be Newcastle's Number 9 far more badly than Liverpool's Number 9. There was nothing wrong with his pace, touch or strength when he played for them and he fully merited his England call-up. Im not sure if he will ever be the player we want him to be...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z33dzKHpZ7A

monkey9 · 11-12-2011 09:29PM

corcaigh07 wrote: »

sad thing is, I think he wants to be Newcastle's Number 9 far more badly than Liverpool's Number 9. There was nothing wrong with his pace, touch or strength when he played for them and he fully merited his England call-up. Im not sure if he will ever be the player we want him to be...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z33dzKHpZ7A

Newcastle played to his strengths which we don't seem to be doing.

corcaigh07 · 11-12-2011 09:31PM

tommyhaas wrote: »

So is it a coincidence that all these keepers save so many shots against Liverpool, but not against other sides? I'm not disputing that keepers can often play out of their skin, but given the the stats that show that at present, Liverpool have the second worst shots to goals ratio (IIRC) in the league, I think its perfectly clear that a decent finisher/poacher is lacking

i think to a degree, it is a coincidence. I've never seen such an amount of excellent saves against us in such a short period of time. I agree with you though, an in-form Torres would have made the final difference. The floodgates would have been opened in those games had we scored the important second goal and I include United in that.

Blatter · 11-12-2011 09:41PM

monkey9 wrote: »

Newcastle played to his strengths which we don't seem to be doing.

I think the 'we don't play to his strengths' card is used a bit too much. While it may have some merit, he had a decent first touch, good mobility, good shooting, good strength, decent pace, very enthusiastic etc. at Newcastle.

You don't just lose those qualities because you're playing in a different system. There's another reason why Carroll isn't performing. Whether it's just his confidence or whether it's off the field problems, something else is very problematic. It's not all down to 'not playing to his strengths'. I think that's just a nice excuse for him tbh.

bookie basher · 11-12-2011 09:50PM

liverpool are trying to play pass & move football and it dosnt suit carroll,
that speaks volumes about carrolls lack of ability

The Chessplayer · 11-12-2011 09:55PM

The-Rigger wrote: »

19 appearances, 4 goals

It's 4 more goals than Crouch had scored after 19 games.

Bellamy only managed 7 goals in 27.
Keane scored 6 goals in 19.

redzerdrog · 11-12-2011 09:58PM

Carroll hasnt been as bad as people like to make out

but a problem I feel we have got wrong when using Carroll is not playing Downing iirc his last start was with bellamy and suarez either side both like to play quick tempo pass and move but this isnt Carrolls strenght yet and i feel if Carroll is starting it should automatically mean that downing also plays

mike65 · 11-12-2011 10:00PM

bookie basher wrote: »

liverpool are trying to play pass & move football and it dosnt suit carroll,
that speaks volumes about carrolls lack of ability

It speaks more of a rush to buy an inappropriate talent.

The Chessplayer · 11-12-2011 10:05PM

mike65 wrote: »

It speaks more of a rush to buy an inappropriate talent.

The new owners appear to be rolling in it so maybe we can take the hit on Carroll. How much do people think Carroll would fetch if we flogged him in the summer?

corcaigh07 · 11-12-2011 10:08PM

Blatter wrote: »

I think the 'we don't play to his strengths' card is used a bit too much. While it may have some merit, he had a decent first touch, good mobility, good shooting, good strength, decent pace, very enthusiastic etc. at Newcastle.

You don't just lose those qualities because you're playing in a different system. There's another reason why Carroll isn't performing. Whether it's just his confidence or whether it's off the field problems, something else is very problematic. It's not all down to 'not playing to his strengths'. I think that's just a nice excuse for him tbh.

completely agree, where has that all gone? he was largely up front on his own for Newcastle but he did fair more than "held the ball up well etc" that you constantly hear after one of his rare starts these days. People seem to forget he was a decent footballer with good ability on the ball as well as in the air. Now, he has neither.

and his injury or sharpness should not be an excuse now either, he had a full pre-season this summer and its nearly christmas now. he is a professional after all.

willmunny1990 · 11-12-2011 10:11PM

The Chessplayer wrote: »

The new owners appear to be rolling in it so maybe we can take the hit on Carroll. How much do people think Carroll would fetch if we flogged him in the summer?

Who would have him?

Liverpool would take a substantial loss anyway that's for sure.

You'd be lucky to get 10 million for him.

corcaigh07 · 11-12-2011 10:11PM

The Chessplayer wrote: »

The new owners appear to be rolling in it so maybe we can take the hit on Carroll. How much do people think Carroll would fetch if we flogged him in the summer?

up to 20 mill if newcastle were to want him back. half that if they don't. Complete Guesswork of course

ilovelamp2000 · 11-12-2011 10:14PM

GBX wrote: »

Given the chance, Carroll could turn into a Rush style player. While I dont forsee him breaking Rush's records, he could have the impact needed.

What ?

Did you ever see Ian Rush play ?

amiable · 11-12-2011 10:14PM

willmunny1990 wrote: »

Who would have him?

Liverpool would take a substantial loss anyway that's for sure.

You'd be lucky to get 10 million for him.

Maybe if he scores a few goals against Chelsea at Anfield Roman might get out the cheque book again

Crazy Horse 6 · 11-12-2011 10:18PM

The Chessplayer wrote: »

The new owners appear to be rolling in it so maybe we can take the hit on Carroll. How much do people think Carroll would fetch if we flogged him in the summer?

Imo we'll see him back at Newcastle in January never mind the Summer. I'd say we'll get 20m for him. Big loss but imo Kenny has already made his mind up on him. After we sell him back he'll start banging in the goals again for Newcastle it's just the way of things.

willmunny1990 · 11-12-2011 10:18PM

amiable wrote: »

Maybe if he scores a few goals against Chelsea at Anfield Roman might get out the cheque book again

Ya never no with ye being our feeder club and all;)

missingtime · 11-12-2011 10:19PM

I seriously doubt that Carroll will be sold,if anything we will buying more players to support him.

amiable · 11-12-2011 10:20PM

willmunny1990 wrote: »

Ya never no with ye being our feeder club and all;)

Well seeing as Liverpool are a much bigger club than Chelsea that's fine

DDC1990 · 11-12-2011 10:22PM

willmunny1990 wrote: »

Ya never no with ye being our feeder club and all;)

Doesn't the "Bigger Club" have to beat the "Feeder Club"?

You are just our Elephant graveyard, where we send players who dont have the bottle to be at Liverpool anymore.

Benayoun, Meireles, Torres... Some purchases

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