Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12 - Mod Note 4153

danniemcq · 06-12-2011 12:49PM

well if Suarez gets a ban then Carroll will have to perform and he will have the time on the pitch to finally find his feet.

just like Lucas's injury meaning Hendo seems to be moving into the CM role where he works best it could be good for him.

YouTookMyName · 06-12-2011 12:50PM

Crowd# "WANKER, WANKER, WANKER"

Suarez# *points to sky with middle finger* Let God judge you....

Crowd# AIIEEEEE, MY EYES, MY EYES, WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN, BURN HIM, BURN HIM AND THEN BAN HIM! *takes photo with camera phone, twitters updates*

media# THIS PROVES HE'S A RACIST!

Kess73 · 06-12-2011 12:50PM

RasTa wrote: »

I remember that, it was clearly to his teammates. I don't agree with any moral outcry but you can't have players giving the finger to fans in modern day English football.

Kissing the badge is the acceptable "f off"

What about supporters who are caught on camera giving the finger or shouting vile abuse at players then? Should there be something in place that when they get filmed doing so or caught in a photo doing so that they should be identified and punished/banned from the ground?

How many pictures do we see of a player after getting a goal and the background is just a wall of finger gestures and people roaring abuse. There is a right can of worms that could be opened if one day a player gets sick of that kind of abuse, and of not being able to do the same back. That player may decide to use a printed photo of him getting abused by supporters and try to take some form of action based on the abuse he got. Then we really get the risk of a sterile game on and off the pitch.

I can think of plenty of players who are mouthy with those in the stands on a regular basis, but there is rarely the same media outrage about it. Yes Suarez was stupid to drop to the same level as those that were abusing him both verbally and with gestures, but the media have the bit between their teeth over Suarez and are going overboard on anything relating to him.

I do find it a bit rich, but am not surprised, that the Mail is runniong the story along with it's newspaper peers. Afterall it is the same paper that ran a fake story last week about how a missing man was found dead in the River Lee. The same missing man whose body was not found and who is still missing. Nice thing for his family and friends to read whilst they are trying to find him.

Suarez was not too clever in doing what he did, but I sure as hell won't be jumping on the bandwagon to condemn him for doing what was being done to him as there are plenty of tabloid reading idiots and media led simpletons who will happily criticize Suarez for giving the middle finger and then do the same to some random motorist who cuts them up in traffic on the way home and have no thought as to whether or not such a gesture caused offence.

I want to be able to give the middle finger to twats in the future so I sure as hell ain't gonna slam Suarez for doing the same thing I know I will do at some point.:D

argosy2006 · 06-12-2011 12:52PM

Giving the finger
''In Ancient Greece it was known as the κατάπυγον[1][2] (katapugon, from kata - κατά, "downwards"[3] and pugē - πυγή, "rump, buttocks"[4]) and reference is made to using the finger in ancient Greek comedy to insult another person, where the term katapugon also meant "a male (or a female, katapugaina[5]) who submits to anal penetration".

I'm sure lots of the Fulham fans do, so whats the problem JK!:P

danniemcq · 06-12-2011 12:53PM

argosy2006 wrote: »

He's just counting how many goals he got

Is this one shopped?

Crazy Horse 6 · 06-12-2011 12:58PM

This proves he is a racist.:rolleyes:

SlickRic · 06-12-2011 01:04PM

he was an idiot. end of.

he should concentrate on scoring rather than moaning and reacting to any decision that doesn't go his way. it's a vicious circle. the more he gets annoyed, the less he'll get from the referee in the future.

Ronaldo had the same problem, especially in his earlier years at Utd.

RasTa · 06-12-2011 01:05PM

Kess73 wrote: »

What about supporters who are caught on camera giving the finger or shouting vile abuse at players then? Should there be something in place that when they get filmed doing so or caught in a photo doing so that they should be identified and punished/banned from the ground?

How many pictures do we see of a player after getting a goal and the background is just a wall of finger gestures and people roaring abuse. There is a right can of worms that could be opened if one day a player gets sick of that kind of abuse, and of not being able to do the same back. That player may decide to use a printed photo of him getting abused by supporters and try to take some form of action based on the abuse he got. Then we really get the risk of a sterile game on and off the pitch.

I can think of plenty of players who are mouthy with those in the stands on a regular basis, but there is rarely the same media outrage about it. Yes Suarez was stupid to drop to the same level as those that were abusing him both verbally and with gestures, but the media have the bit between their teeth over Suarez and are going overboard on anything relating to him.

I do find it a bit rich, but am not surprised, that the Mail is runniong the story along with it's newspaper peers. Afterall it is the same paper that ran a fake story last week about how a missing man was found dead in the River Lee. The same missing man whose body was not found and who is still missing. Nice thing for his family and friends to read whilst they are trying to find him.

Suarez was not too clever in doing what he did, but I sure as hell won't be jumping on the bandwagon to condemn him for doing what was being done to him as there are plenty of tabloid reading idiots and media led simpletons who will happily criticize Suarez for giving the middle finger and then do the same to some random motorist who cuts them up in traffic on the way home and have no thought as to whether or not such a gesture caused offence.

I want to be able to give the middle finger to twats in the future so I sure as hell ain't gonna slam Suarez for doing the same thing I know I will do at some point.:D

You're going way overboard on this point, similar to the tabloids in fact just the opposite end.

I hope you where similarly disgusted and worried about the game going sterlie after the Rooney incident last year.

Don't want to get into one of those debates but you made the correct point in saying

Yes Suarez was stupid to drop to the same level as those that were abusing him both verbally and with gestures

That's where the issue ends with me on this topic. I don't think there is some media witch hunt against him.

Kess73 · 06-12-2011 01:21PM

RasTa wrote: »

You're going way overboard on this point, similar to the tabloids in fact just the opposite end.

I hope you where similarly disgusted and worried about the game going sterlie after the Rooney incident last year.

Don't want to get into one of those debates but you made the correct point in saying

That's where the issue ends with me on this topic. I don't think there is some media witch hunt against him.

If you are talking about him being caught swearing on camera then yes I thought the overblown reaction to what he did was a joke. I cannot stand Rooney but that does not mean I have to think that every reaction to something he does is as it should be.

There are bigger things, for me anyway, to be interested in and be worried about with regards to my team than one player stupidly reacting by making a finger gesture towards a group of people who were abusing him.

I disagree about there not being a slant in the tabloid media against Suarez though. It seems that since the Evra incident that the tabloid media have on a regular basis painted him as a diver and tried to highlight any incident they deem to be a dive. I have even seen reports where the article said that Suarez was fouled but that still try to make out it was his fault for falling after being fouled.

Kess73 · 06-12-2011 01:32PM

SlickRic wrote: »

he was an idiot. end of.

he should concentrate on scoring rather than moaning and reacting to any decision that doesn't go his way. it's a vicious circle. the more he gets annoyed, the less he'll get from the referee in the future.

Ronaldo had the same problem, especially in his earlier years at Utd.

Given that Suarez is our top scorer and top assist getter this season to date, there are plenty of others in the team that need to buck up their finishing to a far greater degree tbh. Of course the fact that Suarez is our top scorer on only 7 goals in all comps speaks volumes as well.

Carroll gets defended for his non goal getting with comments about how he is trying to link up play and the like. He moans a lot on the pitch and falls down a hell of a lot.

Downing, who I actually think has been very unlucky this season, has no goals and no assists to his name.

The list could grow and grow with regards to the attacking side of the team.

We have brought in over £100m in attacking talent since last January and the end result to date is pretty worrying, more worrying than Suarez being an idiot and raising his middle finger.

Handsome Bob · 06-12-2011 01:38PM

RasTa wrote: »

Anyway in Uruguay the middle finger means "hey pals"

Good one, have you got anymore?

PHB · 06-12-2011 01:43PM

Personally, I've no problems with players reacting to fans who consistantly shout abuse at them. Now obviously, it'd be nice if he just celebrated in front of them after scoring, but like, fans can't have it both ways. The real trouble here is people on TV don't hear the abuse that players get at matches, and think these players are just being assholes, when in reality they are reacting to the crowd.

If Arsenal play at United, United fans will sing sit down you pedophile to him, however it's always muted out on the TV, and then people are amazed that Wenger sometimes reacts to the United fans.

YouTookMyName · 06-12-2011 01:43PM

Crazy Horse 6 wrote: »

This proves he is a racist.:rolleyes:

Ha ha joke, I was taking the piss.

th3 s1aught3r · 06-12-2011 01:44PM

Kess73 wrote: »

We have brought in over £100m in attacking talent since last January and the end result to date is pretty worrying, more worrying than Suarez being an idiot and raising his middle finger.

totally agree
I think we have been really improved defensively lately. But the lack of goals is worrying. I am not worried about Suarez at all. he gives his all every match and sets up chances and scores
I wonder if we will be in the market for a striker come January

Turtyturd · 06-12-2011 01:44PM

Handsome Bob wrote: »

Good one, have you got anymore?

Doubtful since he took the premise of it from a couple of posts before his.

SlickRic · 06-12-2011 01:45PM

i'm not excusing anyone Kess, but he needs to cop on a bit too.

his theatrics are working against him, he's getting frustrated, and it's getting on top of him.

if he calms himself down in that regard, he might concentrate on more end product than he's already providing. he's top quality, and should have better stats to back that up than he currently he has.

i'm tough on him, because i love him, and i know what he is capable of

Turtyturd · 06-12-2011 01:51PM

Kess73 wrote: »

I disagree about there not being a slant in the tabloid media against Suarez though. It seems that since the Evra incident that the tabloid media have on a regular basis painted him as a diver and tried to highlight any incident they deem to be a dive. I have even seen reports where the article said that Suarez was fouled but that still try to make out it was his fault for falling after being fouled.

There has been a definite media agenda against him in recent weeks. It has gotten to the stage where some commentators bias against him makes a game unwatchable...although I think Ray Wilkins was a bit overboard in the opposite direction regarding Luis last night.

JimsAlterEgo · 06-12-2011 02:04PM

Turtyturd wrote: »

There has been a definite media agenda against him in recent weeks. It has gotten to the stage where some commentators bias against him makes a game unwatchable...although I think Ray Wilkins was a bit overboard in the opposite direction regarding Luis last night.

He hasnt helped himself with his behavior either

Grayditch · 06-12-2011 02:11PM

I lost any faith left in Andy last night. I don't care about the price tag, there's players on the bench that are better for our style of play. He lacks the pace, control and passing ability and intuition of the players around him.

That's not to say he's not good, just that he's not one for fluid, pass and move football. What I thought would be an ace in the hole is more of a spanner in the works.

I can see the efforts he's making, but he's just not working. I can live with the waste of money, but not the waste of time and opportunities.

Crazy Horse 6 · 06-12-2011 02:12PM

There's too many self righteous people these days. Oh, he stuck his finger up to the fans that were calling him a cheating c*nt, a w*nker and booing every time he had the ball all game.

I'm glad to see some fight in him but the fairies and ballerinas of this world have to make it seem like he's committed a crime worthy of sticking him behind bars when in reality, no one would've blinked an eyelid about it years ago. Football has become a soap opera and it's pathetic.

SlickRic · 06-12-2011 02:14PM

Crazy Horse 6 wrote: »

I'm glad to see some fight in him but the fairies and ballerinas of this world have to make it seem like he's committed a crime worthy of sticking him behind bars when in reality, no one would've blinked an eyelid about it years ago. Football has become a soap opera and it's pathetic.

he was stupid, end of.

he knows his reputation, and he knows it's a soap opera. he needs to use common sense.

Will I Amnt · 06-12-2011 02:17PM

Crazy Horse 6 wrote: »

There's too many self righteous people these days. Oh, he stuck his finger up to the fans that were calling him a cheating c*nt, a w*nker and booing every time he had the ball all game.

I'm glad to see some fight in him but the fairies and ballerinas of this world have to make it seem like he's committed a crime worthy of sticking him behind bars when in reality, no one would've blinked an eyelid about it years ago. Football has become a soap opera and it's pathetic.

Totally agree with all that but in saying that the rules are there for everyone,it's up to the players to ignore it.

Kess73 · 06-12-2011 02:18PM

SlickRic wrote: »

i'm not excusing anyone Kess, but he needs to cop on a bit too.

his theatrics are working against him, he's getting frustrated, and it's getting on top of him.

if he calms himself down in that regard, he might concentrate on more end product than he's already providing. he's top quality, and should have better stats to back that up than he currently he has.

i'm tough on him, because i love him, and i know what he is capable of

I'm not excusing what he did, however I am saying that I think the media and tabloid reaction to what he did is overblown. I think he was stupid to react, but with the exception of Carroll, and maybe Bellamy, I don't think any other LFC player on the pitch last night would have garnered as much attention and faux outrage if they did the exact same thing.

Take Carragher's rant at the crowd after the Wolves game last December. He let fly with plenty of expletives at the crowd and there was plenty of back and forth between him and a chunk of the support afther the final whistle. But other than posts on various forums by people who were at the game or from people who knew someone who was at the game, how much of a ripple did it cause in the tabloid media? Little to none.

We could find similar incidents involving players from many clubs where someone stuck up a finger at the crowd or shouted "fcuk off" or something similar at the crowd. It happens every weekend and in pretty much every league.

Was Suarez wrong to react? Yes, as I think he should have been smarter and not risen to the baiters who were abusing him.

Do I think it is a big enough incident to see Suarez tarred and feathered over it? Hell No. I don't think it should be big enough to warrant a punishment from the FA and I don't think it is big enough for Suarez to be labelled a scumbag or whatever else floats around about him.

Now if he has a shyte game then I will criticise him for that game. If he has a run of shyte games then I will question his place in the team and/or his application and attitude. If he does something really bad on the pitch or off the pitch then I would condemn him for it, but last night was minor, and I guess I am reacting to what I see as unwarranted tabloid criticism of a player.

I would much rather come on here and dicuss fantasy formations, or fantasy transfer targets, or debate why we are so damn toothless up front, or debate our very shallow pool of midfielders, but sometimes when you see an overreaction to something minor the only way to vent your own annoyance is to have an overreaction of your own.:D

Turtyturd · 06-12-2011 02:24PM

Kess73 wrote: »

I'm not excusing what he did, however I am saying that I think the media and tabloid reaction to what he did is overblown. I think he was stupid to react, but with the exception of Carroll, and maybe Bellamy, I don't think any other LFC player on the pitch last night would have garnered as much attention and faux outrage if they did the exact same thing.

Take Carragher's rant at the crowd after the Wolves game last December. He let fly with plenty of expletives at the crowd and there was plenty of back and forth between him and a chunk of the support afther the final whistle. But other than posts on various forums by people who were at the game or from people who knew someone who was at the game, how much of a ripple did it cause in the tabloid media? Little to none.

We could find similar incidents involving players from many clubs where someone stuck up a finger at the crowd or shouted "fcuk off" or something similar at the crowd. It happens every weekend and in pretty much every league.

Was Suarez wrong to react? Yes, as I think he should have been smarter and not risen to the baiters who were abusing him.

Do I think it is a big enough incident to see Suarez tarred and feathered over it? Hell No. I don't think it should be big enough to warrant a punishment from the FA and I don't think it is big enough for Suarez to be labelled a scumbag or whatever else floats around about him.

Now if he has a shyte game then I will criticise him for that game. If he has a run of shyte games then I will question his place in the team and/or his application and attitude. If he does something really bad on the pitch or off the pitch then I would condemn him for it, but last night was minor, and I guess I am reacting to what I see as unwarranted tabloid criticism of a player.

I would much rather come on here and dicuss fantasy formations, or fantasy transfer targets, or debate why we are so damn toothless up front, or debate our very shallow pool of midfielders, but sometimes when you see an overreaction to something minor the only way to vent your own annoyance is to have an overreaction of your own.:D

Good point, Kelly had a few choice words for Chelsea fans during the CC game last week which where caught on camera and there was absolutely no mention of it.

Crazy Horse 6 · 06-12-2011 02:26PM

SlickRic wrote: »

he was stupid, end of.

he knows his reputation, and he knows it's a soap opera. he needs to use common sense.

I agree he was stupid but if you take that part of his game away he won't be the same player. He plays with that fire and if he's not allowed he'll be gone. Seriously it's just giving a group of fans the finger so the hell what.

Guy:Incognito · 06-12-2011 02:27PM

Loads o fballs tbh. If he shouts **** off its no issue but a finger is suddenly some sort of weapon that people need protecting from?:rolleyes:

Crazy Horse 6 · 06-12-2011 02:28PM

cambo2008 wrote: »

Totally agree with all that but in saying that the rules are there for everyone,it's up to the players to ignore it.

Yes i see that side of the arguement but footballers are human beings not robots, they are full of emotion and so is life. Either way i expect Suarez to get a hefty fine or ban or both because he's an easy target at present.

K-9 · 06-12-2011 02:29PM

Turtyturd wrote: »

Good point, Kelly had a few choice words for Chelsea fans during the CC game last week which where caught on camera and there was absolutely no mention of it.

Yeah, remember that now, was for a throw or a corner and he said something to the fans mouthing of. Better say nothing or the FA will pick on that too.

The Chessplayer · 06-12-2011 02:46PM

Grayditch wrote: »

I lost any faith left in Andy last night.

Even with Carroll on the pitch we should still be beating Fulham. The players around him aren't chipping in with goals. The only midfielder that ever seems to score for us is Maxi.

Stevie Gerrard in behind Suarez would be a different story.

Kess73 wrote: »

I'm not excusing what he did, however I am saying that I think the media and tabloid reaction to what he did is overblown.

Take Carragher's rant at the crowd after the Wolves game last December.
...

The difference is that Carragher has earned his stripes as a legend. Suarez has only just arrived in the country and is too thick to realise there will be a spotlight on him. Take Ronaldo for example. He is as thick as a plank, and got a lot more abuse than Suarez gets but he usually managed to channel his aggression.

J. Marston · 06-12-2011 03:02PM

Kess73 wrote: »

I do find it a bit rich, but am not surprised, that the Mail is runniong the story along with it's newspaper peers. Afterall it is the same paper that ran a fake story last week about how a missing man was found dead in the River Lee. The same missing man whose body was not found and who is still missing. Nice thing for his family and friends to read whilst they are trying to find him.

Does that really have anything at all to do with The Mail printing a picture of a footballer giving the finger? Pointless paragraph.

But I don't have a problem with Suarez giving the finger. If he's putting up with people shouting obscenities at him during the match (even though he draws a lot of it on to himself) then the fans can't act offended if he flips the bird at them. Can't have it both ways.

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