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Irish lust for one off housing

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  • #32
    Otis Driftwood
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    OP,there is a drop in mortgage interest rates coming next week,dont worry,that one bed apartment you spent 400k on will soon pay for itself.
    ;)


  • #33
    Stained Class
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    Ever notice how many of these McMansions have only about 2 or 3 people living in them?


  • #34
    dilbert2
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    Clareboy wrote: »
    An English visitor once asked me " Is there any planning in this country ? " . .

    I think that's part of the problem, it's clear to people from other countries what a disgrace the countryside is in this country. However, most people here don't really seem to understand the argument, and can't see that the countryside has been destroyed.


  • #35
    John_Rambo
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    Stained Class wrote: »
    Ever notice how many of these McMansions have only about 2 or 3 people living in them?

    And two cars, overweight children, nowhere to walk or cycle... not good. At least in villages and towns kids can walk or cycle to school, they are part of a community, people keep an eye out for each other etc...

    I live in a suburb close to Dublin city and I get more exercise and fresh air to any of my rural friends that live in one off housing. They can't ever go to get a newspaper without getting in to their car.


  • #36
    Clareboy
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    amacca wrote: »
    you know not everyone likes living side by side with their fellow humans

    their fellow nosey jealous humans.........its nice to have a bit of space around you...its nice not to have to constantly pretend and make pleasantries and get a bit of peace and privacy...presumably if people are building these once off houses there is a desire for them (so not everyone agrees with you)...why should the people who are citizens of a country be dictated to as to where they choose to live be it city, town, village or countryside why do we have to pack them into ever more confined areas assuming that is the dwellings are properly built and not damaging the environment anymore than a typical urban house of the same time period and can be insulated properly etc.

    is there some sort of consensus that one off housing is ugly? I for one prefer it to a lot of urban development

    people live in the countryside in one off housing in other countries too although it is much more prevalent here..... in some of the countries where it is not prevalent large tracts of their countryside is owned by farming companies supporting fewer people than if their were family owned plots of land and the countryside is a place where a lot of the citizens of the country don't go very often....I think that's sad


    +finally...I remember reading details of a study conducted on rats a number of years ago...the closer they had to live together (still adequately provided for individually in terms of food shelter etc) the more psychotic/aggressive/cannibalistic they became so perhaps we were not meant to be crushed into ever diminishing amounts of space

    Surely you are not comparing us with rats! Why are Irish people afraid of others looking at them? What about the massive problem of rural isolation? You tell me! Our greatest failing as a nation has been our reluctance to urbanise.


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  • #37
    amacca
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    Clareboy wrote: »
    Surely you are not comparing us with rats! Why are Irish people afraid of others looking at them? What about the massive problem of rural isolation? You tell me! Our greatest failing as a nation has been our reluctance to urbanise.

    why do you see it as a failing

    I think other nations greatest failing is their continuing urbanisation

    I think Dublin for the most part is a disgusting sprawling monstrosity

    I think Tokyo, new york etc are horrible horrible places....aesthetically and almost every other way......people living in cities like tokyo want to get out of them take your ideal to its logical conclusion and rats are what the human race become....rats packed in ever diminshing amounts of space in huge urban areas.


  • #38
    [Deleted User]
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    John_Rambo wrote: »
    And two cars, overweight children, nowhere to walk or cycle... not good. At least in villages and towns kids can walk or cycle to school, they are part of a community, people keep an eye out for each other etc...

    I live in a suburb close to Dublin city and I get more exercise and fresh air to any of my rural friends that live in one off housing. They can't ever go to get a newspaper without getting in to their car.

    I live in a rural area and I can if I wanted to walk to two shops (10 or 20 minutes walk) and the children can ride bikes to school, but yes many of the one-offs are too far away from these services and are totally dependent on the car!

    I'm better off living here than someone on one of those new estates in the sticks where they have nothing at all. These remote estates are a far worse travesty on the countryside than one-offs.


  • #39
    amacca
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    John_Rambo wrote: »
    Wwhy they want these horrible isolated places is beyond me.


    Of course its beyond you...you think rural areas are horrible and isolated.....not everyone is the same however

    some people think rural areas are beautiful and peaceful and want to live in them.


  • #40
    John_Rambo
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    amacca wrote: »
    their fellow nosey jealous humans.........its nice to have a bit of space around you...its nice not to have to constantly pretend and make pleasantries and get a bit of peace and privacy...presumably if people are building these once off houses there is a desire for them (so not everyone agrees with you)...why should the people who are citizens of a country be dictated to as to where they choose to live be it city, town, village or countryside why do we have to pack them into ever more confined areas assuming that is the dwellings are properly built and not damaging the environment anymore than a typical urban house of the same time period and can be insulated properly etc.

    Lovely, "their nosey jealous humans"... I promise you, a one off house will impact the environment a lot more to build, insulate, wire up, keep, heat, pipe or tanks sewage etc... than a village or town development for a few families.


  • #41
    Cian92
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    John_Rambo wrote: »
    And two cars, overweight children, nowhere to walk or cycle... not good. At least in villages and towns kids can walk or cycle to school, they are part of a community, people keep an eye out for each other etc...

    I live in a suburb close to Dublin city and I get more exercise and fresh air to any of my rural friends that live in one off housing. They can't ever go to get a newspaper without getting in to their car.

    So what? People don't choose where they live just so they can get adequate amounts of exercise. People living in one off housing probably have better places to go for walks, quiet boreens they can walk without ever bumping into somebody, without having to listen to nosy neighbours.

    A friend of mine lives in a housing estate, recently they did up their house. There are people driving past very slowly trying to look in and see what they did. Who in Gods name wants to live in that sort of enivronment?

    If I had to live in a housing estate, flat, or village centre I would go insane. It sounds like some sort of hell on earth if you ask me. People don't seem to know their neighbours, a sense of community is gone in a housing estate.

    Also the noise, I can't sleep with the sound of traffic passing.

    Give me my one off house in the countryside any day.


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  • #42
    Wibbs
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    One off buildings I've no issue with. What I do have an issue with is the lack of taste and style common to the vast majority of them. Of course trying to get planning permission for something more interesting in design can be tricky.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #43
    dilbert2
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    Just another point, housing estates are been brought up a lot. Regardless of the deficiencies of housing estates they are still compressed into one area. One off housing is spread all over the place, and it's footprint is literally hundreds of times greater than housing estates given that is spread all over the countryside.

    Also, to the poster who was justifying one off housing on the basis of living away from other people, I think a psychiatrist or counsellor would be what's needed in those situations, not a 3000 sq foot McMansion, destroying the countryside yet further.

    As people have noted, people from other countries are more than aware of the damage that is been done. Yet, in this country there seems to be pig thick ignorance, particularly in rural Ireland about the issue. For instance, "if it's not one off housing, we'll be hoarded into the cities", failing to see that there is in fact such a thing as a village, that people in most other countries are more than happy to live in.


  • #44
    John_Rambo
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    amacca wrote: »
    Of course its beyond you...you think rural areas are horrible and isolated.....not everyone is the same however

    No, sorry, you picked me up wrong there silly. I meant the houses are horrible!! Not the areas. The areas are stunning, or rather were stunning until silly people started building their horrible mansions on them. Hopefully planning will tighten up and people won't be able to build on their land. The present ones might have to be knocked eventually. I see loads of half built or unfinished ones around.


  • #45
    John_Rambo
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    Cian92 wrote: »
    People living in one off housing probably have better places to go for walks, quiet boreens they can wal


    But, you and I know, they never do. They have to drive everywhere, schools, shops, pubs etc.


  • #46
    dilbert2
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    amacca wrote: »
    Of course its beyond you...you think rural areas are horrible and isolated.....not everyone is the same however

    some people think rural areas are beautiful and peaceful and want to live in them.

    Ironically, they then proceed to destroy formely beautiful areas (which would be protected from development in other countries) with tacky, oversized and cheaply constructed "quanity - over - quality" villas. :rolleyes:


  • #47
    dilbert2
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    amacca wrote: »
    why do you see it as a failing

    I think other nations greatest failing is their continuing urbanisation

    I think Dublin for the most part is a disgusting sprawling monstrosity

    All cities have sprawl. What Dublin does have however, is a lot of it's historical and attractive housing from other centuries intact, and where new construction has taken place, it has been designed by legally qualified architects. There is literally no comparison with rural Ireland, which looks like a dispersed version of Phoenix, Arizona tacked onto a formely green landscape.


  • #48
    Cian92
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    John_Rambo wrote: »
    But, you and I know, they never do. They have to drive everywhere, schools, shops, pubs etc.

    I often do walk in quiet boreens.

    I also always drive to the shop. If I was living a 10 minute walk from the shop and it started to rain (which it so often does) I would still drive, if it was quite cold i would also drive. If it was at night in a city, I would drive.


  • #49
    amacca
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    John_Rambo wrote: »
    No, sorry, you picked me up wrong there silly. I meant the houses are horrible!! Not the areas.

    No, I'm afraid you are the silly one in this instance (particularly when you call someone else silly)...what you typed was ambiguous at very best...you typed "horrible isolated places" that could easily be the place the house was built in so if I picked you up wrong it was because you couldn't express yourself properly.

    John_Rambo wrote: »
    Hopefully planning will tighten up and people won't be able to build on their land.

    I have no problem with planning regulations but its plain to see what you mean by this is that people will not be able to build a dwelling on their own property anymore.........its not really their property then is it?

    they pay for it, maintain it etc but you own it really when it comes down to it right?


  • #50
    amacca
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    dilbert2 wrote: »
    Ironically, they then proceed to destroy formely beautiful areas

    in your opinion...thankfully other people can still have opinions of their own.


  • #51
    John_Rambo
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    amacca wrote: »
    I have no problem with planning regulations but its plain to see what you mean by this is that people will not be able to build a dwelling on their own property anymore.........its not really their property then is it?


    Sorry I didn't express myself properly there. They can still own the land, but they can't just build whatever they want on it. And rightly so. The countryside is littered with silly one of uglies that don't encourage communities. Years ago rural Ireland was known for it's tight knit friendly communities. That's not the case any more in some places and it's down to bad planning.


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  • #52
    dilbert2
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    John_Rambo wrote: »
    Sorry I didn't express myself properly there. They can still own the land, but they can't just build whatever they want on it. And rightly so. The countryside is littered with silly one of uglies that don't encourage communities. Years ago rural Ireland was known for it's tight knit friendly communities. That's not the case any more in some places and it's down to bad planning.

    To be honest, I think some government needs to man up and institute an all out ban on future one off housing, with the exception of people who are working in agriculture. There is no other logical reason for wanting to construct a new house, bar of course been a worker in agriculture. It's tough (for some at least, common sense for others - including people from most other countries) but fair.


  • #53
    Doc Ruby
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    dilbert2 wrote: »
    To be honest, I think some government needs to man up and institute an all out ban on future one off housing
    Yeah that'll learn them independent types, kommissar. Don't forget to institute collectivisation to round up the agricultural workers as well. A good day's work all told.


  • #54
    dilbert2
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    Doc Ruby wrote: »
    Yeah that'll learn them independent types, kommissar. Don't forget to institute collectivisation to round up the agricultural workers as well. A good day's work all told.

    Yet another silly strawman, what a pathethic little man you are. And considering that it's often rural voters that tell other people (through their Catholic beliefs) what they can do with their bodies (aka. abortion), or who they can marry (aka. gay marriage) etc. and use the law to tell other what they can and can't do, well tough titty if the same system of law and order insists on sustainable development and tells them that they cannot contribute to further ribbon development. Many in rural Ireland are more than happy to tell others, with the backup of the law what they can do (often informed by religious belef) and yet b!tch about the law when it comes back at them, in this case surrounding a planning system that one would find in most other countries.


  • #55
    [Deleted User]
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    dilbert2 wrote: »
    To be honest, I think some government needs to man up and institute an all out ban on future one off housing, with the exception of people who are working in agriculture. There is no other logical reason for wanting to construct a new house, bar of course been a worker in agriculture. It's tough (for some at least, common sense for others - including people from most other countries) but fair.
    I think that you'll find that is now the case for many rural areas right now, it was just that during the latter phases of the celtic tiger silly season when the laws were introduced to restrict rural housing, many "developers" had the planners recommendations overruled and houses built. I have seen this happen first hand.


  • #56
    eth0
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    dilbert2 wrote: »
    All cities have sprawl. What Dublin does have however, is a lot of it's historical and attractive housing from other centuries intact, and where new construction has taken place, it has been designed by legally qualified architects. There is literally no comparison with rural Ireland, which looks like a dispersed version of Phoenix, Arizona tacked onto a formely green landscape.

    These 'qualified architects' are responsible for some fairly ugly buildings that they'd describe as modern art. A lot of Irish towns have been ruined by massive shopping centres housing mostly foreign chains, lots of shops that are only really accessible by car.

    There are some ugly McMansions in this country but don't tar every one-off house with the same brush, many fit quite well in the landscape and for those that want to live in an isolated place there is nothing wrong with building a one-off house. Not everyone wants to live in a town or a city and they shouldn't be forced to.


  • #57
    galwayrush
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    dilbert2 wrote: »
    To be honest, I think some government needs to man up and institute an all out ban on future one off housing, with the exception of people who are working in agriculture. There is no other logical reason for wanting to construct a new house, bar of course been a worker in agriculture. It's tough (for some at least, common sense for others - including people from most other countries) but fair.

    I have a small Joinery in a rural area. i often walk to work, only takes me ten minutes. Not counting shops, there are over 30 small non agricultural businesses in the area, i think we have a logical reason to live here.


  • #58
    John_Rambo
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    galwayrush wrote: »
    I have a small Joinery in a rural area. i often walk to work, only takes me ten minutes. Not counting shops, there are over 30 small non agricultural businesses in the area, i think we have a logical reason to live here.

    Sounds nice Galwayrush, would it be a village or a town evolving maybe?


  • #59
    John_Rambo
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    eth0 wrote: »
    These 'qualified architects' are responsible for some fairly ugly buildings that they'd describe as modern art

    What modern art? Have you an example?


  • #60
    Doc Ruby
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    eth0 wrote: »
    These 'qualified architects' are responsible for some fairly ugly buildings that they'd describe as modern art. A lot of Irish towns have been ruined by massive shopping centres housing mostly foreign chains, lots of shops that are only really accessible by car.
    I think they started running a fugliest concrete dump competition back in the 70s and still haven't reached a verdict, Louis Walsh is rumoured to be on the panel for next year's judging.


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  • #61
    eth0
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    dilbert2 wrote: »
    Yet another silly strawman, what a pathethic little man you are. And considering that it's often rural voters that tell other people (through their Catholic beliefs) what they can do with their bodies (aka. abortion), or who they can marry (aka. gay marriage) etc. and use the law to tell other what they can and can't do, well tough titty if the same system of law and order insists on sustainable development and tells them that they cannot contribute to further ribbon development. Many in rural Ireland are more than happy to tell others, with the backup of the law what they can do (often informed by religious belef) and yet b!tch about the law when it comes back at them, in this case surrounding a planning system that one would find in most other countries.

    It sounds that you just hate everything there is to Ireland, Irish culture and way of life like a rebellious teen that has no other way of rebelling other than trolling boards.

    I don't know if you're still in Ireland but if you are I suggest you get the hell out of here and move to San Francisco or some other Modern urbanite's atheist paradise where everyone lives in a capsule apartment and goes around in driverless cars and segways and where you need a 4 year degree to pick up a kitchen knive
     only a robot is allowed to use something as dangerous as a knife. Before this place drives you completely mad


    Doesn't sound like you have seen all that much of Ireland either. There is no shortage of one-off houses in Norn Iron or indeed many other countries and in Letterkenny some of the nicest buildings are one-off houses while nearly all the new 'modern' development is ugly as f*ck.

    Whether or not something is sustainable depends entirely on the way of life of the person living in the house, not its location.


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