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Apparently, one quarter of us live in deprivation, but...

  • 01-12-2011 11:41AM
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,966 ✭✭✭✭


    I read the following in the Metro this morning:
    ALMOST one in four people in the country is living in deprivation.
    Latest figures from the Central Statistics Office (CSO) have revealed 23 per cent of the population cannot afford some of the most basic necessities, such as food, heat and clothes. The CSO defines a person as deprived if he cannot afford at least two of 11 criteria, including two pairs of strong shoes; new (not second-hand) clothes; a warm, waterproof coat; re- placement of worn-out furniture; home heating; and a roast dinner once a week or a meal with meat or fish, or vegetarian equivalent, every other day. It also states a person should be able to afford a day out in the last fortnight, have guests over for a drink or meal once a month, and buy presents at least once a year.
    The report also shows almost 16 per cent of the population are now at risk of poverty – that is, earning less than 60 per cent of the median national disposable income of €22,168.

    Even though Ireland’s median disposable income fell by almost €1,200 in the space of a year, and the ‘at risk of poverty’ threshold fell from €12,064 to €10,831, the number of people falling below that threshold increased by almost two per cent. More than one in 16 people now live in ‘consistent poverty’: earning less than €10,831 in disposable income
    and experiencing at least two of the deprivation criteria. St Vincent de Paul said it was not
    surprised at the figures as calls for help to the charity have doubled since 2008 and people are ‘extremely worried’ about next week’s Budget. ‘There is a palpable fear around the country,’ a charity spokesman said. ‘There are a lot of people who can just about manage on social welfare, they hit a period of the year where there is something additional like back to school, Christmas, birthday, and that pushes them over the edge.’
    He said there were basic physical, psychological and social needs everyone required,
    which will be put out of reach for many if there are to be cuts or changes to social welfare criteria. ‘We don’t know what’s coming. If it’s anything like it’s supposed to be
    it’s going to be really, really bad,’ he added.

    According to that someone is deprived if:
    ... he cannot afford at least two of 11 criteria, including two pairs of strong shoes; new (not second-hand) clothes; a warm, waterproof coat; replacement of worn-out furniture; home heating; and a roast dinner once a week or a meal with meat or fish, or vegetarian equivalent, every other day. It also states a person should be able to afford a day out in the last fortnight, have guests over for a drink or meal once a month, and buy presents at least once a year.

    What does replacement of worn out furniture mean? And what constitutes 'presents'?

    Obviously if you weren't getting a decent meal everyday then you are by the very definition deprived, but new clothes? A day out once a month, guests over for dinner once a month, and 2 pairs of strong shoes? I only have one pair of strong shoes.

    If you live in deprivation by not being able to afford two of these criteria, do you live in poverty if you cant afford three? If so, then I have been poor for most of my life.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,606 ✭✭✭Jumpy


    In the ghettooooooo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,590 ✭✭✭theteal


    that, my good sir, is a load of pish


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 972 ✭✭✭moco


    syklops wrote: »
    I read the following in the Metro this morning:



    According to that someone is deprived if:



    What does replacement of worn out furniture mean? And what constitutes 'presents'?

    Obviously if you weren't getting a decent meal everyday then you are by the very definition deprived, but new clothes? A day out once a month, guests over for dinner once a month, and 2 pairs of strong shoes? I only have one pair of strong shoes.

    If you live in deprivation by not being able to afford two of these criteria, do you live in poverty if you cant afford three? If so, then I have been poor for most of my life.

    If you can afford at least 2 of the 11 criteria you're not deprived. That's how I read it anyway.:confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,647 ✭✭✭✭OldGoat


    I'm depraved.:cool:

    I'm older than Minecraft goats.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,439 ✭✭✭Kevin Duffy


    Some unexpected criteria for "deprivation" there. If a friend, relative or neighbour told me they felt deprived 'cos they couldn't buy me a present, change the furniture or have me over for dinner, I'd think they had ****ed up priorities. I'd tell them "Put on your warm, waterproof (not second hand) coat and one of your two pairs pairs of strong shoes and get the fúck outta here".


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,581 ✭✭✭✭TheZohanS


    moco wrote: »
    If you can afford at least 2 of the 11 criteria you're not deprived. That's how I read it anyway.:confused:
    The CSO defines a person as deprived if he cannot afford at least two of 11 criteria

    There are lots of deprived and poverty struck people in Ireland.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,386 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    I dunno, maybe it's me, but we seem to have redefined "deprived" over the last few decades.

    Worn out furniture? Unless the springs are sticking up through the seat of a chair how worn out are we talking about? Just old furniture? Shít I have a chest of drawers that's knocking on 300 years old. Still works(and was cheaper than a new modern knockoff in harvey normans and the like). Actually auctions are good places to pick up solid furniture for fcuk all by comparison to "made in a sweatshop in China and the doors don't close properly, but we've antiqued it up" overpriced tat you find on the high street.

    New clothes? I know plenty of people who buy second hand clothes. A few well off ones too. And you have outlet places like tkmaxx if you want new without the daft markup of the labels.

    Like you I agree on the home heating and food front and yea if you've a hole in your shoe, literally "down to your uppers" then yes you're deprived alright. Not being able to socialise once a month etc, yea you're not doing well that's for sure, but I find it hard to equate that notion of poverty compared to a guy or gal sleeping rough on the streets of our major cities. Never mind that outside the west half the world will go to bed(if they have one) hungry tonight.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 972 ✭✭✭moco


    Wibbs wrote: »
    I dunno, maybe it's me, but we seem to have redefined "deprived" over the last few decades.

    Worn out furniture? Unless the springs are sticking up through the seat of a chair how worn out are we talking about? Just old furniture? Shít I have a chest of drawers that's knocking on 300 years old. Still works(and was cheaper than a new modern knockoff in harvey normans and the like). Actually auctions are good places to pick up solid furniture for fcuk all by comparison to "made in a sweatshop in China and the doors don't close properly, but we've antiqued it up" overpriced tat you find on the high street.

    New clothes? I know plenty of people who buy second hand clothes. A few well off ones too. And you have outlet places like tkmaxx if you want new without the daft markup of the labels.

    Like you I agree on the home heating and food front and yea if you've a hole in your shoe, literally "down to your uppers" then yes you're deprived alright. Not being able to socialise once a month etc, yea you're not doing well that's for sure, but I find it hard to equate that notion of poverty compared to a guy or gal sleeping rough on the streets of our major cities. Never mind that outside the west half the world will go to bed(if they have one) hungry tonight.



    I think people are reading it wrong! It's saying you only have to be able to afford 2 of those things to not be deprived. Like if you can eat meat once or twice a week or whatever it is and have 2 pairs of good shoes then you're ok, but if you can't afford anything on the list apart from the eating meat x times a week then you're deprived.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,650 ✭✭✭sensibleken


    Some unexpected criteria for "deprivation" there. If a friend, relative or neighbour told me they felt deprived 'cos they couldn't buy me a present, change the furniture or have me over for dinner, I'd think they had ****ed up priorities. I'd tell them "Put on your warm, waterproof (not second hand) coat and one of your two pairs pairs of strong shoes and get the fúck outta here".

    hear hear.

    Is it just me or have people just turned into complete pussies over the last 15 years?

    Not to cover over all four yorkshiremen or anything (in-your-endo)but my parents lived on pigs cheek and boiled cabbage. When I was a kid it was yellow and white pack food and for the first ten years of independant living it was complete hand to mouth. being able to buy your own furniture is frankely doing quite well for yourself.

    you have needs. food, water, shelter, occasional hand jobs. If youre missing any one of them then yeah youre deprived.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,296 ✭✭✭Frank Black


    Wibbs wrote: »
    I dunno, maybe it's me, but we seem to have redefined "deprived" over the last few decades.

    .


    Of course they have - how else would the 'poverty industry' be able to justify its continued existence.

    By the standards of a few decades ago, there is a tiny percentage of the population in 'poverty'.

    By the standards of some of the developing world - almost nobody here would qualify as poor.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 618 ✭✭✭Carter P Fly


    If you cant do 2 out of those 11 then things suck but really, that's a First world problems list if I ever saw one.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭gurramok


    We're all deprived so :)

    Heating is bloody expensive due to the ESB cartel rip-off, throw on some woolly jumpers. ;) Afford new furniture? Lots of us in that position!

    "It also states a person should be able to afford a day out in the last fortnight, have guests over for a drink or meal once a month, and buy presents at least once a year."

    This defines poverty?? We're all in that boat!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,252 ✭✭✭✭stovelid


    WUT ABT PLASSMA TV, FORIN HOLIDAYS AND NEW CARS ON DOLE.

    I WUS BROUGH UP ON BRENNANS BREAD N SUGAR SAMBOS AND WE WER ALWAYS :) HAPPY :)

    ROFL

    **STOVE***


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,966 ✭✭✭✭syklops


    stovelid wrote: »
    WUT ABT PLASSMA TV, FORIN HOLIDAYS AND NEW CARS ON DOLE.

    I WUS BROUGH UP ON BRENNANS BREAD N SUGAR SAMBOS AND WE WER ALWAYS :) HAPPY :)

    ROFL

    **STOVE***

    Anyone else read this in a north sider accent?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,395 ✭✭✭✭cena


    stovelid wrote: »
    WUT ABT PLASSMA TV, FORIN HOLIDAYS AND NEW CARS ON DOLE.

    I WUS BROUGH UP ON BRENNANS BREAD N SUGAR SAMBOS AND WE WER ALWAYS :) HAPPY :)

    ROFL

    **STOVE***

    Oh no not thins text speak again. I can just about read it.

    Just like a friend that's a nurse was texting last night and instead of using he she just used e


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,461 ✭✭✭--Kaiser--




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 972 ✭✭✭moco


    gurramok wrote: »
    We're all deprived so :)

    Heating is bloody expensive due to the ESB cartel rip-off, throw on some woolly jumpers. ;) Afford new furniture? Lots of us in that position!

    "It also states a person should be able to afford a day out in the last fortnight, have guests over for a drink or meal once a month, and buy presents at least once a year."

    This defines poverty?? We're all in that boat!

    Nooooooooooooooooo!;)

    It’s not saying you should be able to afford all those things, or even most of them! You only need to be able to afford 2. If you can afford 2 or more, you’re not deprived.:)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,252 ✭✭✭✭stovelid


    syklops wrote: »
    Anyone else read this in a north sider accent?

    What's a northside accent?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,966 ✭✭✭✭syklops


    stovelid wrote: »
    What's a northside accent?

    Its the accent spoken by a northsider.

    A northsider of town.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,103 ✭✭✭CodeMonkey


    Ooops, maybe i read that wrong.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭hooradiation


    moco wrote: »
    Nooooooooooooooooo!;)

    It’s not saying you should be able to afford all those things, or even most of them! You only need to be able to afford 2. If you can afford 2 or more, you’re not deprived.:)

    Why let what's actually written get in the way of people posting how fucking awesome they are and how everyone else is a 'pussy'.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,966 ✭✭✭✭syklops


    moco wrote: »
    If you can afford at least 2 of the 11 criteria you're not deprived. That's how I read it anyway.:confused:

    Dictionary.com defines deprived as:
    de·prived
       [dih-prahyvd]
    adjective
    marked by deprivation; lacking the necessities of life, as adequate food and shelter: a deprived childhood.

    Doesnt mention having two pairs of strong shoes, or a trip to Bray once a month.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 972 ✭✭✭moco


    syklops wrote: »
    Dictionary.com defines deprived as:



    Doesnt mention having two pairs of strong shoes, or a trip to Bray once a month.

    de·prived
       [dih-prahyvd]
    adjective
    marked by deprivation; lacking the necessities of life, as adequate food and shelter: a deprived childhood.

    Yea, but the most basic things on the list like having food and being able to heat your house would come under having adequate food and shelter.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,966 ✭✭✭✭syklops


    moco wrote: »
    Yea, but the most basic things on the list like having food and being able to heat your house would come under having adequate food and shelter.

    Then why not have a list of 2 criteria, of which if you are unable to do both of, you are considered deprived. Whats the 11-point list for?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,966 ✭✭✭✭syklops


    Why let what's actually written get in the way of people posting how fucking awesome they are and how everyone else has a 'pussy'.

    Im fuppin awesome. Will need pics before I believe the other.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,276 ✭✭✭readyletsgo


    If the poor gave up the fags then they wouldnt be poor, think about it....

    I myself, am on min wage, had to give up the smokes, not poor anymore... just sayin.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 972 ✭✭✭moco


    syklops wrote: »
    Then why not have a list of 2 criteria, of which if you are unable to do both of, you are considered deprived. Whats the 11-point list for?

    I don't know! I agree most of the stuff on the list is a load of crap, I was jsut pointing out you only need to be able to afford 2 to not be deprived. Some people seemed to think if you couldn't afford to do 2 or more of the things things on the list then you're deprived.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,296 ✭✭✭Frank Black


    moco wrote: »
    I don't know! I agree most of the stuff on the list is a load of crap, I was jsut pointing out you only need to be able to afford 2 to not be deprived. Some people seemed to think if you couldn't afford to do 2 or more of the things things on the list then you're deprived.


    Whoa Whoa Whoa - explain again why this isn't what the list means?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 350 ✭✭ICANN


    syklops wrote: »
    Anyone else read this in a north sider accent?

    When people write like that I always get a Waterford accent in my head for some reason. :confused:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 972 ✭✭✭moco


    Whoa Whoa Whoa - explain again why this isn't what the list means?



    According to the article if you can afford none of the things you're deprived. If you can only afford one of the things you're deprived. If you can afford 2 or more things on the list, you're not deprived.


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