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Broadsheet.ie & IT deleting articles relating to Kate's death

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 657 ✭✭✭Sooopie


    hardCopy wrote: »
    It's been shown to have been pretty common in the UK, but I'd be astounded if anyone was stupid enough to try it over here in the middle of the Leveson Inquiry and Hackgate


    :eek:

    The H word

    Well dearie me


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    tbh wrote: »
    Dudess wrote: »
    That poor young woman was ill though. While the employer is doing itself no favours, it would be wrong to imply it is responsible.
    Heartbreakingly sad case... :(

    the article doesn't imply that it was the employers fault, the problems arises because in her article, she criticized the employers (she didn't name them) for the way they treated her when she returned, and the company put pressure on the IT, and subsequently broadsheet, to pull the accusations she made. The IT did, Broadsheet didn't.

    This is added to the fact that a woman sued the same company over bullying allegations, and broadsheet are saying that they are unable to find any record of the outcome of that case.

    I think people are a bit pissed off at the heavy handed tactics employed by the company in question.
    Yeah fair enough.

    Wouldnt be surprised though if a lynch mob came out in force to blame the company, which is wrong - unpleasant and all as the company is reputed to be.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 657 ✭✭✭Sooopie


    Dudess wrote: »
    Yeah fair enough.

    Wouldnt be surprised though if a lynch mob came out in force to blame the company, which is wrong - unpleasant and all as the company is reputed to be.


    Its their high handed antics & the desperate measures they appear to be taking I think is what has most p*ssed off to be honest


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,308 ✭✭✭Hersheys


    For anyone who is interested there is an interview with Sally Fitzgerald (Kates mother) on Newstalk at 8 in the morning. I've been told it's in relation to todays events.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Interesting. Newstalk is Today FM's sister station and given the latter's link to the Savage family...


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  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 5,620 ✭✭✭El_Dangeroso


    Fairplay to newstalk.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭strobe


    Fairplay to newstalk.

    Damage limitation?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 657 ✭✭✭Sooopie


    strobe wrote: »
    Damage limitation?

    Aye, we've not heard it yet


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,308 ✭✭✭Hersheys


    Possibly to get the point of view of the family.

    I doubt they agreed for Peter Murtagh to write the article and disclose the identity of Kate to get her former employees into trouble. It was likely to get the story across, to open up the lines of communication so that no other family have to deal with the horror they've lived the past 4 months. So that Kates death was not in vain.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,614 ✭✭✭The Sparrow


    Hersheys wrote: »
    Possibly to get the point of view of the family.

    I doubt they agreed for Peter Murtagh to write the article and disclose the identity of Kate to get her former employees into trouble. It was likely to get the story across, to open up the lines of communication so that no other family have to deal with the horror they've lived the past 4 months. So that Kates death was not in vain.

    Well in the broadsheet article they mention that they spoke to Kate's mum and she stands by everything Kate wrote about The Communications Clinic and that she was horrified at the butchering of her daughter's article by The Irish Times.

    So it would seem that they are more angry that the article was amended than they are about it being published in the first place.

    Considering that The Communications Clinic provide PR for Enda Kenny and he almost always comes across as a moron and that they looked after the PR for Gay Mitchell and he came across terribly, they don't seem to have that much expertise in PR. Add this communications disaster to the list and they really seem like clowns. All of that is of course my own personal opinion and nothing more.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,308 ✭✭✭Hersheys


    Well in the broadsheet article they mention that they spoke to Kate's mum and she stands by everything Kate wrote about The Communications Clinic and that she was horrified at the butchering of her daughter's article by The Irish Times.

    So it would seem that they are more angry that the article was amended than they are about it being published in the first place.

    Considering that The Communications Clinic provide PR for Enda Kenny and he almost always comes across as a moron and that they looked after the PR for Gay Mitchell and he came across terribly, they don't seem to have that much expertise in PR. Add this communications disaster to the list and they really seem like clowns. All of that is of course my own personal opinion and nothing more.
    The family worked with Peter Murtagh to get Kates story across. It was Kates dad that contacted Peter when he made the link to the story.

    So I'd say angry isn't the word they are after the editing of the original piece :(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,810 ✭✭✭Seren_


    This is absolutely ridiculous. The Communications Clinic should worry about their own relations with the public and treat their employees and others with a bit of respect instead of the horrible way they treated Kate Fitzgerald, and now the people who reported her story.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    I remember the Communications Clinic's recruitment ad when it was first set up. It was like they went out of their way to make it seem an unpleasant place.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 514 ✭✭✭alphabeat


    Terry Prone - she's a car crash waiting to happ ...... oh wait


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,897 ✭✭✭Kimia


    I have to say, having worked in the media for years in Ireland before getting the hell out of dodge - it's all utter utter bs. It's ALL about who you know, what your parents do, where you went to school etc. I know of a place where only females who went to some school in Kilinney get jobs there because the company want to build on the family connections and everyone else has 'a smell of poor' off them (actual quote I heard from some posh b*tch).

    Politics, the government, every single thing that's reported in irish media, is bull. It's all about advertising. I wonder did the Communications Clinic do lots of ads in the IT recruitment supplement.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 382 ✭✭seeing_ie


    This recorded interview with Sally-Ann Fitzgerald, Kate's mother,on newstalk will no doubt cover her thoughts on her daughter's life, workplace bullying, mental illness and maybe suicide.
    As it should.

    I suspect, however, that it will avoid the connection with The communications clinic.
    Anton Savage (TCC) works with TodayFM in the same building, maybe the same offices as Newstalk.
    Newstalk and TodayFM are both owned by Denis O'Brien, alleged brown envelope enthusiast.
    Denis O'Brien is known to be a Fine Gael supporter, allegedly.
    Newstalk has a Fine Gael bias, allegedly.
    Our Fine Gael Taoiseach is allegedly coached by Anton Savage and the
    Communications Clinic.

    It's the circle of life again!

    If you think we have an independant media folks, here's more of what
    goes on behind the curtain:

    http://www.broadsheet.ie/2011/11/21/denis-obriens-editorial-interfer
    ence-the-smoking-gun/


    And guess who got Sam Smyth's job?



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 810 ✭✭✭Fear Uladh


    History of depression in the family.

    The more I delve into the depression issue the more I see it seems to be, in some cases, a hereditary disease. It seems to affect the children of people with depression.

    Very sad listening to the mother.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,264 ✭✭✭Pretty_Pistol


    Chillaxe wrote: »
    History of depression in the family.

    The more I delve into the depression issue the more I see it seems to be a hereditary disease. It seems to affect the children of people with depression.

    Very sad listening to the mother.

    I think anyone can become depressed depending on what someone has experienced in their life.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,595 ✭✭✭Giruilla


    Dudess wrote: »
    I remember the Communications Clinic's recruitment ad when it was first set up. It was like they went out of their way to make it seem an unpleasant place.

    I don't understand how anyone in their right mind could look at that website, read it, and think hmmm yes this is the PR company for me. Oh wait.. our country's Taoiseach is coached by them... fúcking embarrassing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,462 ✭✭✭Snakeblood


    Giruilla wrote: »
    I don't understand how anyone in their right mind could look at that website, read it, and think hmmm yes this is the PR company for me. Oh wait.. our country's Taoiseach is coached by them... fúcking embarrassing.

    Never saw a punchable website before. Odd.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 657 ✭✭✭Sooopie


    I think anyone can become depressed depending on what someone has experienced in their life.


    spot on.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 810 ✭✭✭Fear Uladh


    I think anyone can become depressed depending on what someone has experienced in their life.

    Agreed.

    In some cases I should have. said.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Chillaxe wrote: »
    History of depression in the family.

    The more I delve into the depression issue the more I see it seems to be, in some cases, a hereditary disease. It seems to affect the children of people with depression.

    Very sad listening to the mother.
    It's a very complicated thing really. It's generally thought to relate to balances of chemicals in the brain, influenced by individual attitudes, and so on. This is why some people with all the trouble in the world, seem to be able to whistle their way around, while others with seemingly easy lives spend their time in and out of bouts of depression.

    But as said, it can happen to anyone - a confluence of emotional, environmental, medical, nutritional, etc, factors and any person can slip into depression.

    Some people are just more prone to it than others. I imagine aside from the genetic component, having a parent who suffers from depression (especially the primary caregiver), will alter ones overall outlook on life and leave them more likely to have a negative outlook than someone who grew up in a house of sunny dispositions. This being a negative feedback loop where the negative outlook further makes you more likely to become depressed.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,296 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Kimia wrote: »
    I have to say, having worked in the media for years in Ireland before getting the hell out of dodge - it's all utter utter bs. It's ALL about who you know, what your parents do, where you went to school etc.
    +1000. It's an incredibly incestuous business in this country. Remarkably few high up in the media are free of it. It's also a business that overlaps incestuously with politics while it's at it. Even for journos and the like who try to be outside that it's very difficult for them. One wrong article and they can get frozen out with little access to mainstream political types after that. Basically if you see one of the main politicos being interviewed in this country, especially by one of the usual talking heads, pretty much assume it's a puff piece and any "controversial" questions have been prewarned and rehearsed in advance. The notion we have a "free press" in this country is quite laughable in a few areas. It was ever thus, DeValera and his and cronies ran the Irish media for most of the early history of the state.

    To paraphrase Chillaxe's post on depression(and not meaning to take away from it)...
    Chillaxe wrote: »
    History of Media in the family.

    The more I delve into the Media the more I see it seems to be, in most cases, a hereditary position. It seems to affect the children of people In the Media

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 317 ✭✭Corruptable


    How can anyone be surprised that the media & PR is closely related, if not joined at the hip with politicians in this country?

    If you spend any time at all looking at various businesses, community groups, and political parties, you will find a quiet frankly amazing web of inter-relation between the personalities involved. Look at State Boards and those in charge of regulation, the Judciary, etc. and the link between members, associates and former members of political parties.

    The top non-State broadcast media and several print media are owned by about five people, who all know each other, and everyone else.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 382 ✭✭seeing_ie


    I think anyone can become depressed depending on what someone has experienced in their life.

    Agree.
    The stresses and pressures bound up in work, and the workplace environment, play a huge role imo.

    Particularly in this case, when alleged stigmatising of Kate Fitzgerald as "mentally ill" occurred:

    "casual hostility, with passive-aggressive references to my mental incapacity for my profession, and my apparently perceived “plan” to leave the company entirely in the lurch."

    "When I returned I found myself pitying my manager who met the story of my misery with confusion and the suggestion that I could not be trusted with seniority. I was accused of planning my absence. Every question seemed posed with the hope that it might bolster a preconceived notion."

    "Much of what my employer has done and said since my absence has been illegal. And I do not think for a minute that what my employer did was an isolated incident.”




    http://boob.ie/2011/12/the-suicide-of-journalistic-integrity/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 317 ✭✭Corruptable


    Giruilla wrote: »
    I don't understand how anyone in their right mind could look at that website, read it, and think hmmm yes this is the PR company for me. Oh wait.. our country's Taoiseach is coached by them... fúcking embarrassing.
    Hence why our country is a very unpleasant place to live at times.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,614 ✭✭✭The Sparrow


    Did anyone listen to the interview with the family on Newstalk? Was anything mentioned about the changing of the original article supposedly due to legal pressure?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Did anyone listen to the interview with the family on Newstalk? Was anything mentioned about the changing of the original article supposedly due to legal pressure?

    From what i remember no mention of that or the PR company


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,614 ✭✭✭The Sparrow


    Just listened to the interview there. Newstalk completely bottled it.... They mentioned the legs that the story has taken on over the last few days and the broadsheet article as well as the fact that it had been shared on Facebook so much. But then they never actually say why that is and never mention anything about Communications Clinic or the substance of the broadsheet article.

    Maybe they should just drop the News bit from the name since they had no regard for reporting the news and instead pretty much mislead anyone who was not familiar with what happened.

    Plus the Irish Times have added an editorial note to their letters page this morning saying that there was a note added to the amended article saying that it was changed due to legal advice. Except that I'm pretty sure that there wasn't a note added until this whole controversy broke out.

    And the really scary thing is that in the grand scheme of things this is a minor enough story, but what else have PR companies like this managed to get pulled or not published with threats of legal action?


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