What is happening to young people in the UK?

Foxhound38 · 28-11-2011 04:23AM #1

http://www.breakingnews.ie/world/mugging-death-boys-in-murder-probe-530016.html

Another story, amongst a seemingly endless slew of them coming from our neighbours accross the water indicating that they have just lost control of their young people for one reason or another. Reading the story made me feel sad more than anything - for the old woman who died, for her family, and even for the kids being investigated on suspicion of murder over it - what events in their lives led to them to be capable of mugging (and it seems, killing) a defenceless old woman?

We hear more and more reports of incidents like this from the UK - from rising knife crime, to rioting, even to increasing truancy, the common denominator seems to be young people - and the obvious question is what is happening or has happened in the UK to bring this out in their youth? Are we headed down the same path in Ireland? How do we stop it from happening here?

Jesus Wept · 28-11-2011 04:28AM

The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.

NIMAN · 28-11-2011 04:28AM

I blame the breakdown of the family, and no strong male role model in youngsters lives. Some children are raring themselves these days, with parent(s) who couldn't care less.

That story is so sad. She was still carrying her husbands ashes with her 17 years after he died. Poor woman. At least she is with him now.

fro9etb8j5qsl2 · 28-11-2011 04:30AM

It already is. Sure those young lads will probably spend 2 years getting well fed, playing playstation and being provided with the best tracksuits money can buy before being released to reoffend..... And people wonder why the prison system doesn't work....

Funny thing is, if it was either of these lads granny that this had happened to, the offenders would be stabbed to death in an alleyway by now. Makes you think doesnt it?

Oranage2 · 28-11-2011 04:37AM

- Girl raped by 2 guys last week
- Decades if not Centuries of sexual abuse from the Catholic church
- Pensioner rape last year
- Murders and stabbings daily

We're already there! but I guess the UK is a multiculturalism experiment gone wrong.

Super-Rush · 28-11-2011 04:37AM

Two boys are being quizzed by police in Britain today on suspicion of murdering a widow described as “the best mum in the world”, who died after muggers stole her handbag containing her husband’s ashes.

Nellie Geraghty, 79, suffered serious head injuries as she desperately tried to cling on to the bag during the attack in Oldham, Greater Manchester, on Thursday.

Police said she died in Royal Oldham Hospital Hospital at around midnight on Friday.

Two youths were originally arrested on suspicion of robbery but are now being quizzed on suspicion of murder.

Former school cleaner and cotton mill worker Mrs Geraghty was found collapsed in an alleyway near her home in Shaw just before noon on Thursday.

Inside her handbag was a blue velvet bag containing the ashes of her husband Frank, – who died 17 years ago – in a small box, and also £200 in cash.

The handbag was missing from the scene but the strap was still in the pensioner’s hand.

A spokesman for Greater Manchester Police said: “Two boys aged 14 and 17 have been arrested on suspicion of murder and remain in police custody.”

Read more: http://www.breakingnews.ie/world/mugging-death-boys-in-murder-probe-530016.html#ixzz1ey3eeKTK

For the people using m.boards.

chucken1 · 28-11-2011 04:43AM

The-Rigger wrote: »

The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.

I'll step in quitely. Im never sure if you're serious.
Yes to everything you said..kinda:o

FearDark · 28-11-2011 04:44AM

Lock them up and throw away the key.

In reality though, they'll be walking around the streets in no time again.

Makes me sick.

Hank Scorpio · 28-11-2011 04:46AM

I'd give my opinion if I wasn't afraid I'd be banned for it.

chucken1 · 28-11-2011 04:47AM

Foxhound38 wrote: »

http://www.breakingnews.ie/world/mugging-death-boys-in-murder-probe-530016.html

Another story, amongst a seemingly endless slew of them coming from our neighbours accross the water indicating that they have just lost control of their young people for one reason or another. Reading the story made me feel sad more than anything - for the old woman who died, for her family, and even for the kids being investigated on suspicion of murder over it - what events in their lives led to them to be capable of mugging (and it seems, killing) a defenceless old woman?

We hear more and more reports of incidents like this from the UK - from rising knife crime, to rioting, even to increasing truancy, the common denominator seems to be young people - and the obvious question is what is happening or has happened in the UK to bring this out in their youth? Are we headed down the same path in Ireland? How do we stop it from happening here?

May I say? the Dubs come in here with similar stories,so its not just in the uk?

Oranage2 · 28-11-2011 04:52AM

nuxxx wrote: »

I'd give my opinion if I wasn't afraid I'd be banned for it.

Go on or atleast a taste.

Foxhound38 · 28-11-2011 04:54AM

FearDark wrote: »

Lock them up and throw away the key.

In reality though, they'll be walking around the streets in no time again.

Makes me sick.

That attitude, while understandible, doesn't really answer the question about why it is happening to the extent it is though. Clearly, there is some kind of systemic problem in the UK to see a this extent of a rise in youth crime in the short time it has taken? I'm not saying they should go easy on offenders, but trying to understand the problem might be key to fixing it in the longer term - people don't say "the justice system will let me off easy - I think I'll go steal that car/attack that person/etc".

As for the 2 teenagers in question - something must have led them to what happened. I refuse to believe, in the normal run of things, that a 17 year old and a 14 year old would be capable of killing a defenceless old woman over her handbag. What happened in their lives that would allow them to do this?

LighterGuy · 28-11-2011 04:57AM

whats happening?
Nothing new. People are scum.

FearDark · 28-11-2011 05:03AM

Foxhound38 wrote: »

That attitude, while understandible, doesn't really answer the question about why it is happening to the extent it is though. Clearly, there is some kind of systemic problem in the UK to see a this extent of a rise in youth crime in the short time it has taken? I'm not saying they should go easy on offenders, but trying to understand the problem might be key to fixing it in the longer term - people don't say "the justice system will let me off easy - I think I'll go steal that car/attack that person/etc".

As for the 2 teenagers in question - something must have led them to what happened. I refuse to believe, in the normal run of things, that a 17 year old and a 14 year old would be capable of killing a defenceless old woman over her handbag. What happened in their lives that would allow them to do this?

People like you are the problem, you use words like "understand" and "fixing", I think you mis-read my post. I didn't mean lock them up [as in rehabilitate them] I meant literally lock those fúcks up, and then proceed to stick the key up your rectum so the scum can never get out. They dont actually deserve to breathe.

Foxhound38 · 28-11-2011 05:17AM

FearDark wrote: »

People like you are the problem, you use words like "understand" and "fixing", I think you mis-read my post. I didn't mean lock them up [as in rehabilitate them] I meant literally lock those fúcks up, and then proceed to stick the key up your rectum so the scum can never get out. They dont actually deserve to breathe.

So they should still be in prison in their 60's over something they did in their teens (in the case of the 14 year old - essentially in his childhood), no attempts at rehabilitation, no nothing, with the State paying to feed, clothe and house them in prison for the rest of their lives. Seems like an aweful waste really...

Anyway, I could see where you where coming from if stuff like this was once off or isolated but it's rampant in the UK. That lads that young where able to come to the decision to mug old woman in such a violent way, and that such behaviour isn't unusual is a terrifying commentary on a nations youth - and a problem the "lock them all up and beat them with hammers" attitude isn't going to solve in the long term unfortunately - again, unless you want to put forward the argument that "the justice system will go relatively easy on me - I think I'll steal that car/beat up that person/etc" is the way some people think about things, which I find unlikely...

Besides, "understanding" the problem with a view to "fixing" it would be a good place to start to avoid falling into such pitfalls here in Ireland...

busyliving · 28-11-2011 05:28AM

Ourselves and Britain need our very own Dexter style vigilante

acidskiffle · 28-11-2011 05:36AM

Foxhound38 wrote: »

As for the 2 teenagers in question - something must have led them to what happened. I refuse to believe, in the normal run of things, that a 17 year old and a 14 year old would be capable of killing a defenceless old woman over her handbag. What happened in their lives that would allow them to do this?

Some people are just born bad eggs I think.

Lapin · 28-11-2011 05:49AM

Foxhound38 wrote: »

http://www.breakingnews.ie/world/mugging-death-boys-in-murder-probe-530016.html

Are we headed down the same path in Ireland? How do we stop it from happening here?

The scum would only get done for manslaughter here.

Chuck Stone · 28-11-2011 06:08AM

Typical paranoid, sensationalist, lacking in perspective, crap in this thread.

The world has never been safer and less violent than in recent times.

jayteecork · 28-11-2011 06:11AM

The-Rigger wrote: »

The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.

I presume you're joking or did you just get off a time machine from Victorian times?

MagicSean · 28-11-2011 07:09AM

For the most part it's bad parenting.

raymann · 28-11-2011 07:57AM

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Typical paranoid, sensationalist, lacking in perspective, crap in this thread.

The world has never been safer and less violent than in recent times.

is that true? interesting if so.

Chuck Stone · 28-11-2011 08:28AM

raymann wrote: »

is that true? interesting if so.

Yep.

If you're really interested watch this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ramBFRt1Uzk

Chen019 · 28-11-2011 09:24AM

In the UK immigration is an obvious factor. If you look at the crime rates in some of the countries where immigration has been from over the past 50 years, it has been from places with far higher crime rates than the UK. Unsurprisingly, those groups are then significantly overrepresented in crime in the UK.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7856787/Violent-inner-city-crime-the-figures-and-a-question-of-race.html

www.economist.com/node/21528285

ericsinjun · 28-11-2011 09:32AM

jayteecork wrote: »

I presume you're joking or did you just get off a time machine from Victorian times?

Maybe even ancient Greece. Socrates if I'm not mistaken. Plus ca change

Giruilla · 28-11-2011 09:37AM

The UK's population is roughly 14 times bigger than ours. If our population was that big I'd be very suprised if worse things weren't happening.

LordSutch · 28-11-2011 09:50AM

Giruilla wrote: »

The UK's population is roughly 14 times bigger than ours. If our population was that big I'd be very suprised if worse things weren't happening.

Very true, the UK with a population of approximately sixty million people is bound to have proportionately more crime than a small country like Ireland with a population of 4.2 million people! Maybe a comparrison between the UK & France would be a more balanced comparrison. Then compare crime rates in Ireland with Denmark or Norway maybe?

Giruilla · 28-11-2011 10:07AM

LordSutch wrote: »

Very true, the UK with a population of approximately sixty million people is bound to have proportionately more crime than a small country like Ireland with a population of 4.2 million people! Maybe a comparrison between the UK & France would be a more balanced comparrison. Then compare crime rates in Ireland with Denmark or Norway maybe?

I'd take a guess that our crime rate is considerably higher than both those countries..

dj jarvis · 28-11-2011 10:13AM

ericsinjun wrote: »

Maybe even ancient Greece. Socrates if I'm not mistaken. Plus ca change

socrates quote about teenagers from ancient greece it is :-)

still relevant today

behavior started to slide in this country when the children realized that the local cop or teacher cant give them a clip to the head, or a boot up the hole

not condoning violence against children AT ALL - but i was kept in check when i was a lad for fear or getting a belt off my parents of my teacher or the local cop

and the detention centers do need a look at also - it should be made super tough so they will think long and hard before re offending - nothing cruel but hard - if you knew you might go to a famously tough prison you might not be so quick to offend

Dyr · 28-11-2011 10:16AM

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Yep.

If you're really interested watch this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ramBFRt1Uzk

Is this the one where he shows that post 1960's violent crime surged in in the US until the 90s? I never saw any figures for the UK to suggest that had happened there too. Of course stats are not much use when you live in one of the statistical anomalies.

So he's correct in the broad picture about violence but that aint much help to people living in sh**holes in the UK

bobbysands81 · 28-11-2011 10:16AM

Oranage2 wrote: »

We're already there! but I guess the UK is a multiculturalism experiment gone wrong.

Yup, it's all the fault of the blacks mate. Well done. :rolleyes:

What is happening to young people in the UK?

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