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Most disliked plot holes in movies you like?

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  • #32
    FortuneChip
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    I don't see the LOTR Eagles thing as a plot hole, it's more of a quirky "Heh, why didn't they just..."
    The eagles didn't arrive in Mordor until the Nazgul were dead, did they?


  • #33
    thunderthing
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    wobbles wrote: »
    One that gets me every time i watch Lord of the Rings is why didnt the eagles just carry Frodo to Mount Doom instead of having to walk through Mordor.

    The answer I see most commonly to this is that the Valar (the god-like beings that live in Valinor - the place Frodo and all go to on the ships at the end) that control the Eagles wanted to allow men and halflings to perform the task of defeating Sauron themselves, as a kind of rite of passage after the end of Elven dominance in Middle-Earth. The Valar could have come in and wrecked Sauron's shít at any time if they wanted, but the task was of greater importance than that. They came to Frodo and Sam's aid at the end as a reward for his bravery in completing the journey themselves. The Valar and the rest of that stuff are only really mentioned in the Silmarillion, not in the films.

    Alternatively, you could say that maybe the Eagles didn't know where Mordor was until the end of RotK when Gandalf told them to take a left outside Rivendell.


  • #34
    branie
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    How Max Cady knows the movements of the Bowden family in both versions of Cape Fear


  • #35
    chocksaway
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    what happens to the eggs that are left in Madison Square Gardens at the end of Godzilla???


  • #36
    Savman
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    chocksaway wrote: »
    what happens to the eggs that are left in Madison Square Gardens at the end of Godzilla???

    Er, one of them hatched. Besides, not exactly a 'plot hole' - more of a set up for future cash cow sequels.


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  • #37
    indough
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    MrStuffins wrote: »
    it's seen many many times that when struck, it is metal that is disrupted and not flesh. He is made of metal, he does not change his metal to glesh and back, he shifts his appearence to LOOK like he's made of flesh.

    look, the fact of the matter is you dont know down to what level it is able to mimic things, neither do you know the specific reason why it was only organic material that could travel back in the first movie. perhaps the requirement was cellular and he is able to mimic on a cellular level (i am not saying he changed himself on a chemical level). perhaps it was bioelectromagnetism and he is able to simulate its effects and produce a field?
    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Well no, it can be explained by your flawed logic in presuming that T-1000 CHANGED into flesh, when he really doesn't. He's metal, completely metal!

    Also, technology is a bit of a cop out because we're not talking about machinery here, we're talking about the fabric of space and time.

    Also, even if technology has moved on, why is he naked?

    the time portal is a piece of technology/machinery that manipulates spacetime to send things back. technology changes over time and improvements are made. this is really no different to improvements in air/space/sea travel except for the obvious fact that this type is currently impossible in the real world. and none of those advances mentioned required any change in the physical make-up of the world in order to work


  • #38
    Tipsy McSwagger
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    board.eddy wrote: »
    No im not having this, even if they were spotted they stand a better chance than frodo on his own and of course they would do it !

    This always pissed me off about LOTR's and honestly it ruins the whole trilogy

    You've never read the book have you?


  • #39
    chocksaway
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 608 ✭✭✭chocksaway


    Savman wrote: »
    Er, one of them hatched. Besides, not exactly a 'plot hole' - more of a set up for future cash cow sequels.

    True... wish they'd hurry up and make it though.. it's been bugging me for years!


  • #40
    Paparazzo
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    These are more goofs than plot holes.
    Why does John Travolta's character have to go to the intercom to talk to Mia Wallace in her house? They're communicating just fine to each other without it.


  • #41
    Mickeroo
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    FortuneChip wrote: »
    I don't see the LOTR Eagles thing as a plot hole, it's more of a quirky "Heh, why didn't they just..."
    The eagles didn't arrive in Mordor until the Nazgul were dead, did they?

    It's pretty obvious they didn't fly in until not only the nazgul were gone but the whole dark lord's army had collapsed or run off. Not really a plot hole at all in fairness.


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  • #42
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,403 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    indough wrote: »
    look, the fact of the matter is you dont know down to what level it is able to mimic things, neither do you know the specific reason why it was only organic material that could travel back in the first movie. perhaps the requirement was cellular and he is able to mimic on a cellular level (i am not saying he changed himself on a chemical level). perhaps it was bioelectromagnetism and he is able to simulate its effects and produce a field?



    the time portal is a piece of technology/machinery that manipulates spacetime to send things back. technology changes over time and improvements are made. this is really no different to improvements in air/space/sea travel except for the obvious fact that this type is currently impossible in the real world. and none of those advances mentioned required any change in the physical make-up of the world in order to work




    ........................... why is he naked?


  • #43
    irishh_bob
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    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Really? There wouldn't even be a trilogy if that was what happened!

    They would have been spotted and killed by the Nazgul. They only showed up after the ring had been destroyed so there wasn't as much risk to them. And they probably just didn't want to. I think in The Hobbit it says that they aren't nice or kind birds

    so i take it the nazgul were weakened by the death of sauron thus making them easy prey for the eagles ?

    i thought the eagles looked bigger than the nazgul myself , then again the nazgul fight dirty , eagles are virtous


  • #44
    paddy kerins
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    What happened to the Joker after Batman jumped out to save Rachel in TDK?


  • #45
    Mickeroo
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    MrStuffins wrote: »
    ........................... why is he naked?

    He could synthesise anything he touched, that's apparent through-out the whole film.
    irishh_bob wrote: »
    so i take it the nazgul were weakened by the death of sauron thus making them easy prey for the eagles ?

    i thought the eagles looked bigger than the nazgul myself , then again the nazgul fight dirty , eagles are virtous

    The eagles wouldn't be able to kill nazgul(the reason eowyn kills the chief is because merry's sword was a magical evlen one, they neglected to mention this in the movie of course) plus the nazgul ceased to exist once the ring was destroyed.


  • #46
    indough
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    MrStuffins wrote: »
    ........................... why is he naked?

    what does it matter that he is naked? you seem strangely fixated on that one to be honest...but maybe, just maybe, there is the possibility they changed the machine to send adaptable liquid metal? (which clothes aren't typically made of as far as i'm aware)
    JCO: The T2 Extreme DVD text commentary cites flesh cocoon as one of the possibilities of how the T-1000 was able to get back through time without any live elements. The idea was floating around for many years before. Where did it originate from?

    VL: That idea was one we had bandied about during preproduction, but it was something that we thought would be too confusing to show visually it would have been like when Brett finds the shed alien skin in Alien. I still think it's the most logical explanation, given we see a flesh "mold" in the teaser trailer already. The other possibilities are that 1) the T-1000 could mimic the field generated by a living organism or 2) Reese really does NOT know tech stuff and was mistaken in the interrogation scene in the first film. Note that the whole point there was to set it up so that there was a reason why no one brought weapons from the future through time. Note that several comics and other media later played off the idea of surgically embedding weapons into human carriers and ripping them out of them once they arrived.

    there is your answer from fairly official sources. note that both the possiblities are ones ive already mentioned, along with others. but you may continue to be argumentative for the sake of it if you so wish


  • #47
    Wereghost
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    syklops wrote: »
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rqv4VwPNQr4


    Now, why does he not mention midichlorians?
    He could also have avoided a certain snafu of an amorous nature by mentioning Leia; and what's with that "Darth Vader murdered your father" nonsense? :)

    To be fair, the above plot holes are all plot holes from future movies in the sequence, not from Star Wars itself.


  • #48
    irishh_bob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,700 ✭✭✭irishh_bob


    Mickeroo wrote: »
    He could synthesise anything he touched, that's apparent through-out the whole film.



    The eagles wouldn't be able to kill nazgul(the reason eowyn kills the chief is because merry's sword was a magical evlen one, they neglected to mention this in the movie of course) plus the nazgul ceased to exist once the ring was destroyed.

    as soon as i made the post , i realised i was confusing the nazgul with the flying creatures they get around on , the eagles made short work of those ugly muts once sauron was gone


  • #49
    irishh_bob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,700 ✭✭✭irishh_bob


    paddy kerins wrote: »
    What happened to the Joker after Batman jumped out to save Rachel in TDK?

    my guess is he went back to base but not before enjoying some more complimentary cavier and wine at the party he gatecrashed


  • #50
    Sad Professor
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    paddy kerins wrote: »
    What happened to the Joker after Batman jumped out to save Rachel in TDK?
    Him and his goons jumped back in their cars and hightailed it out of there, obviously... but the scene actually showing this was cut out.


  • #51
    paddy kerins
    Site Banned Posts: 1,856 ✭✭✭paddy kerins


    Sad Professor wrote: »
    Him and his goons jumped back in their cars and hightailed it out of there, obviously... but the scene actually showing this was cut out.

    Really? Didn't know that


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  • #52
    don ramo
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    about the Terminator and T-1000, john conor and kyle reese didnt have theoretical physicist PHDs so what the hell would they know about time travel, just cause they said it doesnt make it the law:D

    about the eagles in LOTR maybe they couldnt fly into mordor, but surely they could have flown frodo and sam around to the back door:D


  • #53
    MrStuffins
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    indough wrote: »
    what does it matter that he is naked? you seem strangely fixated on that one to be honest...but maybe, just maybe, there is the possibility they changed the machine to send adaptable liquid metal? (which clothes aren't typically made of as far as i'm aware)



    there is your answer from fairly official sources. note that both the possiblities are ones ive already mentioned, along with others. but you may continue to be argumentative for the sake of it if you so wish

    I'm not being argumentative at all. I'm simply saying it's a plot hole. Saying "Well, maybe Kyle doesn't know what he's talking about" doesn't really explain it. It just sweeps it under the carpet. Unless the answer is explained within the universe the movie is set in, it's pointless to attribute "maybes" to fictional characters.


  • #54
    MrStuffins
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    don ramo wrote: »
    about the Terminator and T-1000, john conor and kyle reese didnt have theoretical physicist PHDs so what the hell would they know about time travel, just cause they said it doesnt make it the law:D

    about the eagles in LOTR maybe they couldnt fly into mordor, but surely they could have flown frodo and sam around to the back door:D

    How do you know this?

    Again, i'm not being argumentative here but it's a plot hole. Attributing things to fictional characters doesn't make it any less of a plot hole.


  • #55
    Sad Professor
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    paddy kerins wrote: »
    Really? Didn't know that
    I think it was probably the only scene Nolan cut.


  • #56
    don ramo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,533 ✭✭✭don ramo


    paddy kerins wrote: »
    What happened to the Joker after Batman jumped out to save Rachel in TDK?
    he got the cop to attak him and got the upper hand, held a kinfe to his throat and asked to make a phone call, he had a phone bomb put into one of the insane guys, so he blew up the station and went to try get the ferries to blow each other up,

    did you skip that part:confused::confused::confused:


  • #57
    don ramo
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    MrStuffins wrote: »
    How do you know this?

    Again, i'm not being argumentative here but it's a plot hole. Attributing things to fictional characters doesn't make it any less of a plot hole.
    cause john conor became a junkie after judgement day didnt happen, and kyle was only about 21 in salvation which was about 10 years after judgement day, so who the hell would have educated them


  • #58
    MrStuffins
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    don ramo wrote: »
    cause john conor became a junkie after judgement day didnt happen, and kyle was only about 21 in salvation which was about 10 years after judgement day, so who the hell would have educated them

    Wait, we're talking about the original Terminator storyline, not the full of holes Salvation


  • #59
    Mickeroo
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    MrStuffins wrote: »
    I'm not being argumentative at all. I'm simply saying it's a plot hole. Saying "Well, maybe Kyle doesn't know what he's talking about" doesn't really explain it. It just sweeps it under the carpet. Unless the answer is explained within the universe the movie is set in, it's pointless to attribute "maybes" to fictional characters.

    Whether the T-1000 is naked or not does not have an effect on the plot of the film, it is not a plot-hole.

    THe liquid metal thing, if he showed up as a blob of metal you might have a case but he shows up as a naked man, which suggests he has a default human form which is coated in the same/similar material as the the T-800.


  • #60
    don ramo
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    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Wait, we're talking about the original Terminator storyline, not the full of holes Salvation
    still even from T1 kyle would have been in his early 20s when he impregnated sarah conor, and JD would still have happened when he was at least 13 of not younger,

    so no PHD for him:D


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  • #61
    MrStuffins
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    Mickeroo wrote: »
    Whether the T-1000 is naked or not does not have an effect on the plot of the film, it is not a plot-hole.

    THe liquid metal thing, if he showed up as a blob of metal you might have a case but he shows up as a naked man, which suggests he has a default human form which is coated in the same/similar material as the the T-800.

    Nope. This is incorrect. His default form is this.

    T-1000_002.png


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