Most disliked plot holes in movies you like?

EdenHazard

Well I watched the Truman show from the start for the first time in years and since Im a little older I get more of the concepts and i love it but a few things annoy me about it

1.Would the creators not have been better off not mentioning the world outside seahaven?
2.That guy lives the most boring life possible, it makes other reality tv shows interesting in comparison, who would wanna watch it?
3.All the people cheering on Truman in the end, would they not have been like this is a joke you have a guy in a 'prison' against his will down through his 30 years?
4.Where the hell was the cops for the creator when he went about basically killing truman at the end 'they watched him being born'

I'm sure theres more that I can't think of

MrStuffins

EdenHazard wrote: »

1.Would the creators not have been better off not mentioning the world outside seahaven?

He'd have still wondered though surely? In a kind of "If this Universe has an end, I Wonder what is outside of this Universe?" way. His existence would not have made sense if JUST Seahaven existed.

Also, it's not as much a plot hole more like a plot device that he knows of the world outside Seahaven.

2.That guy lives the most boring life possible, it makes other reality tv shows interesting in comparison, who would wanna watch it?

have you ever SEEN Reality TV? Millions of people watch Big Brother, horrible TV even by Reality TV standards.

3.All the people cheering on Truman in the end, would they not have been like this is a joke you have a guy in a 'prison' against his will down through his 30 years?

This is why they were cheering surely?

4.Where the hell was the cops for the creator when he went about basically killing truman at the end 'they watched him being born'

Watching The Truman Show? :P

Turtyturd

Cloverfield: How come the monster couldn't move in New York without destroying something yet manages to sneak up and eat one of the group in Central Park at the end like some ninja monster.

The Dark Knight: Lucias Fox has no problem with Batman kidnapping a guy from Hong Kong but wants nothing to do with him listening in on conversations in order to save Gotham.

johnny_ultimate

Indulging in artistic licence to make a thematic or narrative point is not a plot hole. All of the Truman Show criticisms are there for a deeper reason. People do get obsessed with voyeurism - look at gossip mags or reality television. That Peter Weir and co. picked up on this before the advent of Big Brother is frankly remarkable.

Film isn't reality, and like all great art the best filmmakers create a credible fictional world that bears some - but not necessarily complete - similarity to our own.

A real plot hole is when a film's plot doesn't make any sense even within the film's world.

wobbles

One that gets me every time i watch Lord of the Rings is why didnt the eagles just carry Frodo to Mount Doom instead of having to walk through Mordor.

Tipsy McSwagger

wobbles wrote: »

One that gets me every time i watch Lord of the Rings is why didnt the eagles just carry Frodo to Mount Doom instead of having to walk through Mordor.

It's very very simple, (a) the eagles would have been spotted and (b) they just would not do it, just like Tom Bombadil helped the Hobbits but would not take the ring.

Turtyturd

wobbles wrote: »

One that gets me every time i watch Lord of the Rings is why didnt the eagles just carry Frodo to Mount Doom instead of having to walk through Mordor.

Do you think the Eagles of Middle Earth just sit around waiting for tasks like flying Hobbits to Mordor??...they be busy birds.

This has been debated a lot, the main outcomes seem to be that they would have been shot out of the sky or attacked by the Nazgul before getting anywhere near Mount Doom, which is not open topped so Frodo would have to have been dropped into Mordor anyway.

Wereghost

One thing that's not so obvious about LOTR is that the eagles are basically bending the rules for Gandalf, probably because he helped them out in The Hobbit (if memory serves). Plus, he's not actually a member of any of the mammalian races so arguably the Eagles have kept their neutrality. Think Dev in World War 2.

the purple tin

In all the Batman films from Michael Keaton up to Christian Bale there was never even a mention of Aunt Harriet!

MrStuffins

the purple tin wrote: »

In all the Batman films from Michael Keaton up to Christian Bale there was never even a mention of Aunt Harriet!

So, Batman doesn't mention that he has an Aunt named Harriet?

How is this a plot hole exactly?

MrStuffins

Terminator Salvation.

I'd be quicker typing what WASN'T a plot hole!

johnny_ultimate

MrStuffins wrote: »

So, Batman doesn't mention that he has an Aunt named Harriet?

How is this a plot hole exactly?

I'm not sure anything mentioned in this thread so far constitutes a plot hole TBH. Par exemple:

Turtyturd wrote: »

The Dark Knight: Lucias Fox has no problem with Batman kidnapping a guy from Hong Kong but wants nothing to do with him listening in on conversations in order to save Gotham.

Because the guy in Hong Kong was a criminal and/or asshole, as opposed to the innocent general public.

MrStuffins

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

I'm not sure anything mentioned in this thread so far constitutes a plot hole TBH. Par exemple:

Ok i've got one.

In Terminator, Kyle Reese explains to Sarah Connor only living organisms could come through the fabric of time (this is why both Reese and The Terminator are naked at the begining of the movie) and that The Terminator was able to come through because, although he is a machine, he is a metal skeleton surrounded by living tissue.

Now, in T2, how do we explain the T-1000 coming through the fabric of time if he consists of purely liquid metal? And on top of this, why is he naked?

Dotrel

No one else was in the room when Charles Foster Kane whispered his last word.

indough

MrStuffins wrote: »

Ok i've got one.

In Terminator, Kyle Reese explains to Sarah Connor only living organisms could come through the fabric of time (this is why both Reese and The Terminator are naked at the begining of the movie) and that The Terminator was able to come through because, although he is a machine, he is a metal skeleton surrounded by living tissue.

Now, in T2, how do we explain the T-1000 coming through the fabric of time if he consists of purely liquid metal? And on top of this, why is he naked?

no mechanical parts, plus the liquid metal is able to simulate organic tissue

board.eddy

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

It's very very simple, (a) the eagles would have been spotted and (b) they just would not do it, just like Tom Bombadil helped the Hobbits but would not take the ring.

No im not having this, even if they were spotted they stand a better chance than frodo on his own and of course they would do it !

This always pissed me off about LOTR's and honestly it ruins the whole trilogy

MrStuffins

indough wrote: »

no mechanical parts, plus the liquid metal is able to simulate organic tissue

But it doesn't simulate flesh, it only looks like flesh, it's still liquid metal.

Also, mechanical parts wasn't the problem, living tissue is what Reese talked about.

johnny_ultimate

board.eddy wrote: »

This always pissed me off about LOTR's and honestly it ruins the whole trilogy

Ruins is a bit hyperbolic, no?

Lord of the Rings is about the Hero's Journey (complicated, naturally, by the presence of various 'heroes'). It wouldn't be a very engaging one if it ended about an hour in with an eagle-based anticlimax.

No doubt one can argue that LotR is stretched and contrived. But it's contrived for a reason.

Disbelief? Suspended.

Ellian

In Star Wars why did the Death Star have to go around the Yavin moon thus giving the Rebel Alliance a chance to attack and destroy it rather than just blow it up and then (if needed) blow up the moon straight after.....

indough

MrStuffins wrote: »

But it doesn't simulate flesh, it only looks like flesh, it's still liquid metal.

Also, mechanical parts wasn't the problem, living tissue is what Reese talked about.

how do you know it doesnt simulate living tissue given that its never explained in the movie and it looks exactly like living tissue in the movie? there is also the fact that kyle reese may not have a clue what he was talking about and we have no idea how long has passed from the point where the original 2 were sent back to when the second 2 were sent back. the technology may have evolved by then. it would also make sense that any development of a better terminator would include improvements to allow for it to pass through the time warp, such as the ability to mimic flesh. definitely not a plot hole anyway as it can be explained

amtw

The one that bugs me is that Will Smith's girlfriend in Independence Day just happens to be the person who discovers the presidents injured wife and they both end up being reunited with their partners. Come on this is supposed to be a serious film but that plot hole really makes it unbelievable!

Dotrel

Ellian wrote: »

In Star Wars why did the Death Star have to go around the Yavin moon thus giving the Rebel Alliance a chance to attack and destroy it rather than just blow it up and then (if needed) blow up the moon straight after.....

Maybe it can only do one shot ever 24 hours for instance? I see your point tho.

The reason it was written that way however was nothing more than to create a "clock", an artificial countdown effect to make it feel like Luke and the rest were up against time to complete their mission urgently. Quite a clever little plot device really.

The prequels might have been better if any of that feeling of urgency had been included well ... anywhere.

goose2005

Turtyturd wrote: »

Cloverfield: How come the monster couldn't move in New York without destroying something yet manages to sneak up and eat one of the group in Central Park at the end like some ninja monster.

The Dark Knight: Lucias Fox has no problem with Batman kidnapping a guy from Hong Kong but wants nothing to do with him listening in on conversations in order to save Gotham.

And why were the Chinese govt OK with an American flying into HK and abducting a Chinese citizen??

syklops

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rqv4VwPNQr4

Now, why does he not mention midichlorians?

al28283

wobbles wrote: »

One that gets me every time i watch Lord of the Rings is why didnt the eagles just carry Frodo to Mount Doom instead of having to walk through Mordor.

The eagles wouldn't enter Mordor because they were afraid of Sauron. Sauron was dead when they went in at the end

MrStuffins

indough wrote: »

how do you know it doesnt simulate living tissue given that its never explained in the movie and it looks exactly like living tissue in the movie?

it's seen many many times that when struck, it is metal that is disrupted and not flesh. He is made of metal, he does not change his metal to flesh and back, he shifts his appearence to LOOK like he's made of flesh.

there is also the fact that kyle reese may not have a clue what he was talking about and we have no idea how long has passed from the point where the original 2 were sent back to when the second 2 were sent back. the technology may have evolved by then. it would also make sense that any development of a better terminator would include improvements to allow for it to pass through the time warp, such as the ability to mimic flesh. definitely not a plot hole anyway as it can be explained

Well no, it can be explained by your flawed logic in presuming that T-1000 CHANGED into flesh, when he really doesn't. He's metal, completely metal!

Also, technology is a bit of a cop out because we're not talking about machinery here, we're talking about the fabric of space and time.

Also, even if technology has moved on, why is he naked?

Dotrel

MrStuffins wrote: »

Also, even if technology has moved on, why is he naked?

Why was he even "human-like" when he transported for that matter? (other than of course to not spoil the surprise of his abilities)

Mickeroo

goose2005 wrote: »

And why were the Chinese govt OK with an American flying into HK and abducting a Chinese citizen??

Because he's Batman.

FortuneChip

Terminator Salvation is riddled with them, still enjoyed it though.
Marcus Wright > John Connor

The Departed. Costigan is sitting the movie theatre, phone on silent so as to be discreet. He then shadows Sullivan, a task requiring equal discreetness but decided to pop on his tones. I doubt he was just following Cinema etiquette, especially a porno cinema!

Towards the latter half of Casino Royale, the winner throws a chip/plate or whatever to the dealer, nice tip, but pointless as the winnings aren't handed out at the casino desk, but rather transferred into his account a few days later

Beeker

MrStuffins wrote: »

Ok i've got one.

In Terminator, Kyle Reese explains to Sarah Connor only living organisms could come through the fabric of time (this is why both Reese and The Terminator are naked at the begining of the movie) and that The Terminator was able to come through because, although he is a machine, he is a metal skeleton surrounded by living tissue.

Now, in T2, how do we explain the T-1000 coming through the fabric of time if he consists of purely liquid metal? And on top of this, why is he naked?

Also your skin, hair and nails are all dead tissue so...................what a mess:eek:

ceadaoin.

board.eddy wrote: »

No im not having this, even if they were spotted they stand a better chance than frodo on his own and of course they would do it !

This always pissed me off about LOTR's and honestly it ruins the whole trilogy

Really? There wouldn't even be a trilogy if that was what happened!

They would have been spotted and killed by the Nazgul. They only showed up after the ring had been destroyed so there wasn't as much risk to them. And they probably just didn't want to. I think in The Hobbit it says that they aren't nice or kind birds

FortuneChip

I don't see the LOTR Eagles thing as a plot hole, it's more of a quirky "Heh, why didn't they just..."
The eagles didn't arrive in Mordor until the Nazgul were dead, did they?

thunderthing

wobbles wrote: »

One that gets me every time i watch Lord of the Rings is why didnt the eagles just carry Frodo to Mount Doom instead of having to walk through Mordor.

The answer I see most commonly to this is that the Valar (the god-like beings that live in Valinor - the place Frodo and all go to on the ships at the end) that control the Eagles wanted to allow men and halflings to perform the task of defeating Sauron themselves, as a kind of rite of passage after the end of Elven dominance in Middle-Earth. The Valar could have come in and wrecked Sauron's shít at any time if they wanted, but the task was of greater importance than that. They came to Frodo and Sam's aid at the end as a reward for his bravery in completing the journey themselves. The Valar and the rest of that stuff are only really mentioned in the Silmarillion, not in the films.

Alternatively, you could say that maybe the Eagles didn't know where Mordor was until the end of RotK when Gandalf told them to take a left outside Rivendell.

branie

How Max Cady knows the movements of the Bowden family in both versions of Cape Fear

chocksaway

what happens to the eggs that are left in Madison Square Gardens at the end of Godzilla???

Savman

chocksaway wrote: »

what happens to the eggs that are left in Madison Square Gardens at the end of Godzilla???

Er, one of them hatched. Besides, not exactly a 'plot hole' - more of a set up for future cash cow sequels.

indough

MrStuffins wrote: »

it's seen many many times that when struck, it is metal that is disrupted and not flesh. He is made of metal, he does not change his metal to glesh and back, he shifts his appearence to LOOK like he's made of flesh.

look, the fact of the matter is you dont know down to what level it is able to mimic things, neither do you know the specific reason why it was only organic material that could travel back in the first movie. perhaps the requirement was cellular and he is able to mimic on a cellular level (i am not saying he changed himself on a chemical level). perhaps it was bioelectromagnetism and he is able to simulate its effects and produce a field?

MrStuffins wrote: »

Well no, it can be explained by your flawed logic in presuming that T-1000 CHANGED into flesh, when he really doesn't. He's metal, completely metal!

Also, technology is a bit of a cop out because we're not talking about machinery here, we're talking about the fabric of space and time.

Also, even if technology has moved on, why is he naked?

the time portal is a piece of technology/machinery that manipulates spacetime to send things back. technology changes over time and improvements are made. this is really no different to improvements in air/space/sea travel except for the obvious fact that this type is currently impossible in the real world. and none of those advances mentioned required any change in the physical make-up of the world in order to work

Tipsy McSwagger

board.eddy wrote: »

No im not having this, even if they were spotted they stand a better chance than frodo on his own and of course they would do it !

This always pissed me off about LOTR's and honestly it ruins the whole trilogy

You've never read the book have you?

chocksaway

Savman wrote: »

Er, one of them hatched. Besides, not exactly a 'plot hole' - more of a set up for future cash cow sequels.

True... wish they'd hurry up and make it though.. it's been bugging me for years!

Paparazzo

These are more goofs than plot holes.
Why does John Travolta's character have to go to the intercom to talk to Mia Wallace in her house? They're communicating just fine to each other without it.

Mickeroo

FortuneChip wrote: »

I don't see the LOTR Eagles thing as a plot hole, it's more of a quirky "Heh, why didn't they just..."
The eagles didn't arrive in Mordor until the Nazgul were dead, did they?

It's pretty obvious they didn't fly in until not only the nazgul were gone but the whole dark lord's army had collapsed or run off. Not really a plot hole at all in fairness.

MrStuffins

indough wrote: »

look, the fact of the matter is you dont know down to what level it is able to mimic things, neither do you know the specific reason why it was only organic material that could travel back in the first movie. perhaps the requirement was cellular and he is able to mimic on a cellular level (i am not saying he changed himself on a chemical level). perhaps it was bioelectromagnetism and he is able to simulate its effects and produce a field?



the time portal is a piece of technology/machinery that manipulates spacetime to send things back. technology changes over time and improvements are made. this is really no different to improvements in air/space/sea travel except for the obvious fact that this type is currently impossible in the real world. and none of those advances mentioned required any change in the physical make-up of the world in order to work

........................... why is he naked?

irishh_bob

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Really? There wouldn't even be a trilogy if that was what happened!

They would have been spotted and killed by the Nazgul. They only showed up after the ring had been destroyed so there wasn't as much risk to them. And they probably just didn't want to. I think in The Hobbit it says that they aren't nice or kind birds

so i take it the nazgul were weakened by the death of sauron thus making them easy prey for the eagles ?

i thought the eagles looked bigger than the nazgul myself , then again the nazgul fight dirty , eagles are virtous

paddy kerins

What happened to the Joker after Batman jumped out to save Rachel in TDK?

Mickeroo

MrStuffins wrote: »

........................... why is he naked?

He could synthesise anything he touched, that's apparent through-out the whole film.

irishh_bob wrote: »

so i take it the nazgul were weakened by the death of sauron thus making them easy prey for the eagles ?

i thought the eagles looked bigger than the nazgul myself , then again the nazgul fight dirty , eagles are virtous

The eagles wouldn't be able to kill nazgul(the reason eowyn kills the chief is because merry's sword was a magical evlen one, they neglected to mention this in the movie of course) plus the nazgul ceased to exist once the ring was destroyed.

indough

MrStuffins wrote: »

........................... why is he naked?

what does it matter that he is naked? you seem strangely fixated on that one to be honest...but maybe, just maybe, there is the possibility they changed the machine to send adaptable liquid metal? (which clothes aren't typically made of as far as i'm aware)

JCO: The T2 Extreme DVD text commentary cites flesh cocoon as one of the possibilities of how the T-1000 was able to get back through time without any live elements. The idea was floating around for many years before. Where did it originate from?

VL: That idea was one we had bandied about during preproduction, but it was something that we thought would be too confusing to show visually it would have been like when Brett finds the shed alien skin in Alien. I still think it's the most logical explanation, given we see a flesh "mold" in the teaser trailer already. The other possibilities are that 1) the T-1000 could mimic the field generated by a living organism or 2) Reese really does NOT know tech stuff and was mistaken in the interrogation scene in the first film. Note that the whole point there was to set it up so that there was a reason why no one brought weapons from the future through time. Note that several comics and other media later played off the idea of surgically embedding weapons into human carriers and ripping them out of them once they arrived.

there is your answer from fairly official sources. note that both the possiblities are ones ive already mentioned, along with others. but you may continue to be argumentative for the sake of it if you so wish

Wereghost

syklops wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rqv4VwPNQr4

Now, why does he not mention midichlorians?

He could also have avoided a certain snafu of an amorous nature by mentioning Leia; and what's with that "Darth Vader murdered your father" nonsense?

To be fair, the above plot holes are all plot holes from future movies in the sequence, not from Star Wars itself.

irishh_bob

Mickeroo wrote: »

He could synthesise anything he touched, that's apparent through-out the whole film.



The eagles wouldn't be able to kill nazgul(the reason eowyn kills the chief is because merry's sword was a magical evlen one, they neglected to mention this in the movie of course) plus the nazgul ceased to exist once the ring was destroyed.

as soon as i made the post , i realised i was confusing the nazgul with the flying creatures they get around on , the eagles made short work of those ugly muts once sauron was gone

irishh_bob

paddy kerins wrote: »

What happened to the Joker after Batman jumped out to save Rachel in TDK?

my guess is he went back to base but not before enjoying some more complimentary cavier and wine at the party he gatecrashed

Sad Professor

paddy kerins wrote: »

What happened to the Joker after Batman jumped out to save Rachel in TDK?

Him and his goons jumped back in their cars and hightailed it out of there, obviously... but the scene actually showing this was cut out.

paddy kerins

Sad Professor wrote: »

Him and his goons jumped back in their cars and hightailed it out of there, obviously... but the scene actually showing this was cut out.

Really? Didn't know that