What ARE you willing to have cut?

AhSureTisGrand · 16-11-2011 07:10PM

AeoNGriM wrote: »

Zero tolerance for crime. Instant roadside executions for anyone caught comitting a crime, regardless of it's severity.

Don't like it? Then fcukoff somewhere else.

That's a crime against punctuation right there

mickydoomsux · 16-11-2011 07:13PM

Also, what happens of you aren't near a road?

Do you get a stay of execution?

AhSureTisGrand · 16-11-2011 07:19PM

When I read threads like these I wonder why I don't hear more people expressing admiration for Hitler and Stalin and the likes

Halo Kitty · 16-11-2011 10:10PM

Speaking of crime, would be interested to find out how much is spent on free legal aid in this country, and why it is so available to people that may well afford to pay some percentage of costs..

Sofa King Great · 17-11-2011 01:05PM

Stiffler2 wrote: »

oooo, rubs hand together.

TD's salaries, judges salaries, in fact all public sector workers who earn too much
You are there to serve the public, not get rich, if you want to be rich go into the private sector ffs

This is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever read. How would you propose to attract the best people for the jobs?

Anita M. · 17-11-2011 01:06PM

My hair.

noodler · 17-11-2011 01:26PM

Galtee wrote: »

What has his got to do with anything? You need to factor in cost of living indexes, it doesn't matter whether you trade glances with them, unless you factor in the cost of living indexes then you don't have a comparison metric.

Are you serious?

I suggest you look up why its important.

Sofa King Great wrote: »

This is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever read. How would you propose to attract the best people for the jobs?

Whilst living within your means.

You attract the best people for the job whilst living within your means.

Galtee · 17-11-2011 01:45PM

noodler wrote: »

Are you serious?

I suggest you look up why its important.

Whilst living within your means.

You attract the best people for the job whilst living within your means.

Yes I am very serious, you can NOT do a direct comparison between UK welfare payment and Irish welfare payment without factoring in the cost of living in both countries.

noodler · 17-11-2011 01:55PM

noodler wrote: »

Generally, picking our biggest trading partner and closest neighbour is quite a good reason for comparison.

Taking minimum wage, price differentials etc into account and the UK rate is still alot lower.

Galtee wrote: »

What has his got to do with anything? You need to factor in cost of living indexes, it doesn't matter whether you trade glances with them, unless you factor in the cost of living indexes then you don't have a comparison metric.

Galtee wrote: »

Yes I am very serious, you can NOT do a direct comparison between UK welfare payment and Irish welfare payment without factoring in the cost of living in both countries.

Well done - put words in my mouth despite the fact I clearly said it was "a" good reason for comparison.

You will find that countries who do large amounts of trade with each other also have a greater degree of price normalisation.

You can't just compare the price of something in the UK and Ireland and say that welfare should be 150% higher as a result.

Sofa King Great · 17-11-2011 02:07PM

noodler wrote: »

Whilst living within your means.

You attract the best people for the job whilst living within your means.

In order to attract people of a similar caliblre of those in the private sector it is necessary to pay wages similar to those in the private sector

Galtee · 17-11-2011 02:20PM

Noffles wrote: »

Social Welfare Cut it.

Why is it so much higher here than in the UK?

Why will it not be cut this budget

There are so many out of work cutting these payments it makes sense... doesn't it?

This is the original post that I replied to.

Galtee wrote: »

You can't just do a direct one to one comparison of the welfare rate in UK and Ireland.

This is my reply to the original post highlighting that you can't do a direct one to one comparison.

noodler wrote: »

Generally, picking our biggest trading partner and closest neighbour is quite a good reason for comparison.

Taking minimum wage, price differentials etc into account and the UK rate is still alot lower.

This is where you waded in.

Galtee wrote: »

What has his got to do with anything? You need to factor in cost of living indexes, it doesn't matter whether you trade glances with them, unless you factor in the cost of living indexes then you don't have a comparison metric.

This was my reply to that.

noodler wrote: »

Well done - put words in my mouth despite the fact I clearly said it was "a" good reason for comparison.

You will find that countries who do large amounts of trade with each other also have a greater degree of price normalisation.

You can't just compare the price of something in the UK and Ireland and say that welfare should be 150% higher as a result.

So as you can plainly see I haven't put any words in your mouth. I have maintained all along that you cannot do a direct one to one comparison.

Mike 1972 · 23-11-2011 08:00PM

Sofa King Great wrote: »

This is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever read. How would you propose to attract the best people for the jobs?

LOL that there are people who still believe this shyte :rolleyes:

Irish Steve · 23-11-2011 11:03PM

OK, it's after hours, but does that mean there are no real ideas?

How about making people that end up in A & E through their own (drunken or drugged) stupidity pay the full cost of their treatment.

How about reducing or stopping the SW payments to anyone who ends up in A & E through their own (drunken) stupidity.

How about doing away with all the private medicine options and making it a free at the point of consumption health system, which instantly removes the need for huge numbers of beancounters that do nothing all day long except produce massive bills for VHI and the like. If that means increasing the PRSI charge to cover the extra cost, that will about balance what's paid to VHI, Quinn etc.

How about making the HSE go out and renegoitiate many of their drug deals, to get much better prices for many medicines that are a lot cheaper in generic form.

How about making the HSE justify their future

How about looking at the Health service numbers properly, and if the only way to make the system work is to increase the numbers, doing it with permanent staff has to be cheaper than using higher cost agency nursing, and also paying the extra cost of the agency company.

How about making the insurance companies pay the realistic cost of the result of any traffic accident that is shown to be as a result of drink, excessive speed or any other form of dangerous driving. That would include garda costs, hospital costs, and things like repair of the crash barriers. Ok, that is a contradiction of an earlier idea, but it might at least give meaningful work to some of the beancounters that at present are only costing the service money.

How about making all adult cyclists have insurance, and become liable for accidents they cause, especially where absence of lights, or other wrong doing is a contributory factor.

How about making civil service managers personally liable for their mistakes rather than the crazy concept of one government department taking another to court with a potential €12 million fine. How does a fine of a county council encourage better performance in future. All it does is reduce the already lamentable level of service to the consumers.

How about taxing the banks on their overnight deposits that they got today but won't give to the recipients till at least tomorrow, if not longer.

How about stopping the extra payment to teachers for marking exams, acting as polling station staff and all the other perks they get while being paid for long holidays.

How about making the TD's work for the same terms and conditions that they expect the private sector to work for.

How about doing away with all the little deals that have been done with the public sector like extra allowances because the Aer Lingus head office moved from O'Connell St to the airport half a century ago.

How about privatising all waste collection services.

How about making burglars, etc pay the real cost of their crimes in terms of the work involved in catching them etc.

How about introducing a 50% tax on the increase in value of land that's rezoned.

I could go on, but if I do, there's a chance that I will end up being flamed for the next few months, or longer.

Steve

chasm · 24-11-2011 02:53AM

Irish Steve wrote: »

How about making the insurance companies pay the realistic cost of the result of any traffic accident that is shown to be as a result of drink, excessive speed or any other form of dangerous driving. That would include garda costs, hospital costs, and things like repair of the crash barriers.

Change insurance companies to "Guilty individual" and i'd agree. Jeez we'd never be able to afford insurance if it covered all that because we'd all have to pay the crazy premium regardless of our own driving history.

johnners2981 · 24-11-2011 03:25AM

storker wrote: »

How about reducing them to four? Munster, Leinster, Connaught, Dublin. Until we get the fourth green field back, fold Donegal into Connaught and Cavan into Leinster.

Stork

What about Monaghan??? Where will we go??? I'm scared

kjl · 24-11-2011 06:20AM

The medical card system.

As it stands it's an absolute joke, I know a doctor who has medical card patient coming out of his ass and everyday there are the same people who waste the doctors time because they are lonely, so they think to themselves oh, Ill go see the doctor when there is nothing wrong with them.

If they decided to charge underprivileged people just €10 to see the doctor and then replace the annual salary they pay the GMS doctors with this €10 from each patient there would be significant savings in the budget. If people are really sick they can muster up 10 quid and it would save a serious amount of time for the doctor and the doctor can choose weather to wave this fee under his own discretion if he feels a patient is genuinely sick and requires addition visits.

I would also add more tax to alcohol and smokes, if a pint cost an extra .50c people would still pay it, and with the amount that is drank in this country it would be a small fortune.

oldyouth · 24-11-2011 08:48AM

I'd cut:
Medical cards for smokers
Free medical cards for others (rebate €100 charge if card used sparingly during year)
Single parent allowance for a working person
Paid summer holidays for teachers
Replace childrens allowance with child food & clothing vouchers
Cut number of TDs

Sky King · 24-11-2011 09:20AM

kjl wrote: »

I would also add more tax to alcohol and smokes, if a pint cost an extra .50c people would still pay it, and with the amount that is drank in this country it would be a small fortune.

You would be much better off sticking 20C on a off licence cans and bottles than 50C on a pint - that most certainly would affect draught beer sales. Everyone drinks at home now anyway

Jerri Jordan · 24-11-2011 09:26AM

I Would definitely cut budgets to roads/transport. and arts /culture and the environment. I think those elements should only be looked at when we have the money to do so. We are not a rich country and we should buckle down for the next few years and concentrate on hospitals and schools.
I think rent allowance should be cut and that social housing should be created from the hundreds of ghost estates and empty houses around the country.
Childrens allowance should be means tested and not giving to the rich.
And there should be higher tax for the rich.
Also pensions for the likes of Cowen and Bertie should be halfed.

Crazy Horse 6 · 24-11-2011 09:47AM

Nobody is the PS on 75,000 a year salary or more.
Raise minimum wage to 10 euro an hour
Lower social welfare by 20% across the board
A third rate of tax set at 70% for the rich
Cut all budgets towards the arts

Lord Trollington · 24-11-2011 11:10AM

Lads we are all keyboard warriors and I include myself in this.

We hear the same sh!t night after night on the Matt Cooper/George Hook shows and the same on Morning Ireland and Joe Duffy. We will never change therefore the country itself will never reform.

What am I going to do about the 2% VAT rise in the budget and the fact that it will kill retail and cost thousands of jobs? Nothing.

What am I going to do about the wages and expenses of TD's? Nothing.

What am I going to do about the Public Sector Unions holding the country to ransom and leave us tethering over the edge of bankruptcy? Nothing.

The Government are going to ensure that Kevin Cardiff gets a cushy job in Europe, despite being rejected by MEP's and being at the head of a 3.6billion bluner.
Waht am I going to do. Nothing.

Its the same sh!t day in day out. We lube our asses up and continue to take it good and deep from the government and top ranking civil servants.

I'm sick of seeing threads on this in AH because we know what would sort a lot of our problems but yet nothing gets implemented because the government are the same as each and every government before them. A bunch of spineless weasels.

And we elect these bunch of focking wankérs.

Meauldsegosha · 24-11-2011 11:48AM

Back in the 91/92, I signed on the dole for a few months. It was means tested and because I lived with my parents I got £10 a week. Every now and then I got a couple of butter vouchers as well.

Getting only £10 a week made me get out and find a job. I've never been out of a job since. I think the levels of dole payments should be looked at.

MackQ · 24-11-2011 12:09PM

I'd be prepared to take a cut to the amount of month left at the end of the money

Mike 1972 · 25-11-2011 04:46PM

Crazy Horse 6 wrote: »

Raise minimum wage to 10 euro an hour

Errrr thats not what the thread is about

Anyone · 25-11-2011 05:39PM

Think most agree about Childrens allowance-so that needs to be means tested. Anyone earning over 30k PA gets nada,nothing, not a thing.

Fee paying schools-No state funding, nothing at all.

Cars-Tax the hell out of large cars. Extra VRT and Road tax on anything over 2l car. Also, anyone in a 4x4 living in an urban area, you pay 5000 per annum(yes i just picked that number off the top of my head).

Fat Tax- introduce it, obesity is the next big drain on health budgets. Smokers are already paying their share(and more). So all fast food maybe has a new VAT rate of 30%.

College Grants-These shouldn't be a grant but a 0% loan. This can be repaid over say 10 years after you leave college and deducted at source from your wages.

Fines/Fees-Deducted at source from wages,social welfare etc. And these fines are based on a % of your income.

wonderfulname · 25-11-2011 08:30PM

Anyone wrote: »

Fee paying schools-No state funding, nothing at all.

This is an opinion I've never gotten, they save a crap load of money in their current state, if you cut funding to them nobody will be able to afford them and the government will have to start paying for people other than Catholics to get an education.

It's not so much the state paying for the privileged as some people choosing to pay a % of the cost of their child's education, if you make it an all or nothing decision of course they'll pay nothing.

Flyer1 · 25-11-2011 09:12PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

Everything that doesnt affrect me.

- Put a toll bridge on every road

Last time I checked that was motor tax

Eric Cartman · 25-11-2011 09:14PM

Anyone wrote: »

Cars-Tax the hell out of large cars. Extra VRT and Road tax on anything over 2l car. Also, anyone in a 4x4 living in an urban area, you pay 5000 per annum(yes i just picked that number off the top of my head).

your having a laugh there son , 2L is a small size for a car engine

conor1979 · 25-11-2011 10:36PM

Anyone wrote: »

Cars-Tax the hell out of large cars. Extra VRT and Road tax on anything over 2l car. Also, anyone in a 4x4 living in an urban area, you pay 5000 per annum(yes i just picked that number off the top of my head).

People with large cars are already taxed to hell! And cars with bigger engines use more fuel so more tax for the coffers!

Fat Tax- introduce it, obesity is the next big drain on health budgets. Smokers are already paying their share(and more).smokers not paying enough, massive drain on the health system So all fast food maybe has a new VAT rate of 30%.

College Grants-These shouldn't be a grant but a 0% loan. This can be repaid over say 10 years after you leave college and deducted at source from your wages. interest should be charged at a low rate and put straight back into the system. as much as I would love to suggest that you dont get your full qualification until you work for a few years there no jobs anymore for that idea! too many people got a free education then legged it off to another country (by choice) and didnt contribute anything back into the system.

Fines/Fees-Deducted at source from wages,social welfare etc. And these fines are based on a % of your income.

Discuss!

Warper · 25-11-2011 10:41PM

wonderfulname wrote: »

This is an opinion I've never gotten, they save a crap load of money in their current state, if you cut funding to them nobody will be able to afford them and the government will have to start paying for people other than Catholics to get an education.

It's not so much the state paying for the privileged as some people choosing to pay a % of the cost of their child's education, if you make it an all or nothing decision of course they'll pay nothing.

If the privileged want to pay for privileged education they should fund it themselves or else join everyone else in public schools. Now what would rich Daddy do, would they pay more for precious X to attend private school to avoid the ruffians or would they pay extra $$ for the privilege. Ya they would pay. So your argument is dead

What ARE you willing to have cut?

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