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If we are all equal in the eyes of the law...

  • 24-11-2011 03:34PM
    #1
    UglyBolloxFace
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,867 ✭✭✭


    ...then why is a longer sentence given for the killing/murder of police officers?


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  • #2
    John Doe1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭John Doe1


    Cause they represent the state and you are basically targeting a person and the state i think


  • #3
    Jesus Wept
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,243 ✭✭✭✭Jesus Wept


    Even if they are off duty, it is the same I think? Or is that incorrect?
    Actually, that can't be right, right?


  • #4
    chin_grin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,808 ✭✭✭✭chin_grin


    Why, what are you planning OP!


  • #5
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    The-Rigger wrote: »
    Even if they are off duty, it is the same I think? Or is that incorrect?
    Actually, that can't be right, right?

    Depends if they are wearing their hat I think............


  • #6
    Fishooks12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,318 ✭✭✭Fishooks12


    Where in irish criminal law does it say this again?!


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  • #7
    Jesus Wept
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,243 ✭✭✭✭Jesus Wept


    mikom wrote: »
    Depends if they are wearing their hat I think............

    Legally if you need to do a dump, they must give you their hat. :cool:


  • #8
    cosmicfart
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,298 ✭✭✭cosmicfart


    bloody public servants again, it because of the Croke Park agreement. if u kill a cop up until 2014 u will get 50 years extra in jail and will have to pay the widow of the cop, his ma, his dog and also anyone else he ever knew 100 euros per week from ur dole until ur boke and the whole fooking country is broke


  • #9
    Brendog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,976 ✭✭✭Brendog


    If we are all equal in the eyes of the law ...... Then why is Sean Quinn not in jail?


  • #10
    strobe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭strobe


    UglyBolloxFace wrote: »
    ...then why is a longer sentence given for the killing/murder of police officers?

    I don't think it is man. The sentence for murder in Ireland is a 'mandatory life sentence' whether it is a member of the Gardai murdered or not...


  • #11
    44leto
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,137 ✭✭✭44leto


    The more money you have the more equal you are.


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  • #12
    Mint Sauce
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,293 ✭✭✭✭Mint Sauce


    The-Rigger wrote: »
    Even if they are off duty, it is the same I think? Or is that incorrect?
    Actually, that can't be right, right?

    A Guard is never off duty.


  • #13
    okedoke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 925 ✭✭✭okedoke


    There used to be a death sentence (theroetically until the 1960's I think - but not used for a long time) for "capital murder" (killing a Garda). As a previous poster said you are not only killing a person you are attacking the state (and the people who are tasked with maintaining order). Now though you just get life for any murder - but when you get out depends on the Minister for Justice.


  • #14
    El Weirdo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,651 ✭✭✭✭El Weirdo


    okedoke wrote: »
    There used to be a death sentence (theroetically until the 1960's I think - but not used for a long time) for "capital murder" (killing a Garda).
    It was actually a lot later than the 60s.

    Edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Ireland#Commuted_death_sentences


  • #15
    RichieC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,331 ✭✭✭RichieC


    We are not all equal in the eyes of the law and far from it.

    Money is the great equaliser.


  • #16
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    Justice is blind.

    No wait..


  • #17
    who the fug
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,042 ✭✭✭who the fug


    okedoke wrote: »
    There used to be a death sentence (theroetically until the 1960's I think - but not used for a long time) for "capital murder" (killing a Garda). As a previous poster said you are not only killing a person you are attacking the state (and the people who are tasked with maintaining order). Now though you just get life for any murder - but when you get out depends on the Minister for Justice.


    Death sentance was abolished in 1990, but they came close to using it in the seventies


  • #18
    Del2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,162 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    El Weirdo wrote: »
    It was actually a lot later than the 60s.

    Wasn't it part of the 1st Nice treaty referendum.

    The one when not enough people voted so they had to have a 2nd one, but not for the referendums which gave our glorious leaders the results they wanted.


  • #19
    texidub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 280 ✭✭texidub


    Not money alone. Money AND connections. I would say the EDIT: former latter is probably even more important when it comes to skipping justice, but it's debatable.

    Don't forget: All serviced and maintained by an obedient, cap-tipping electorate. So the responsibility for injustice is pretty evenly spread.

    You can't just hand justice over to the authorities and then forget about it as though the problem has been solved.

    (Not unless you have money and connections, that is.)


  • #20
    Faing
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 477 ✭✭Faing


    Life, on the whole, is a 5h1t sandwich.

    The more bread ye have, the less 5h1t ye get............


  • #21
    Mr. Presentable
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,495 ✭✭✭Mr. Presentable


    If we are all equal, how come I get arrested for pitching my tent in Merrion Sq. but a dozen malcontents can pitch tents on the roadside in Dame st and nothing is done?


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  • #22
    bijapos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,002 ✭✭✭bijapos


    Del2005 wrote: »
    Wasn't it part of the 1st Nice treaty referendum.

    The one when not enough people voted so they had to have a 2nd one, but not for the referendums which gave our glorious leaders the results they wanted.


    Enough people voted, just not enough people voted the way the politicians wanted us to vote. So they told us to vote again.

    There is no minimum amount of people required to vote in an election or referendum here.


  • #23
    naoise80
    Closed Accounts Posts: 89 ✭✭naoise80


    Brendog wrote: »
    If we are all equal in the eyes of the law ...... Then why is Sean Quinn not in jail?

    What law did he break?


  • #24
    Guill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,332 ✭✭✭Guill


    The Garda are on the front line every day, and obviously come into more contact with criminals as us regular Joes, (well exceptions made for AHers) So as an extra level of protection for the gards it has to be seen as more serious to kill a Gaurd as opposed to me or you. Can't see what is unfair about that, it just means our force are ever so slightly saver doing their jobs.


  • #25
    sensibleken
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,650 ✭✭✭sensibleken


    youre looking at it all wrong. Gardaí are much harder to kill because they have stab vests and trunceons. So if you manage to kill one you 'win' a longer sentence as a reward.


  • #26
    Ellis Dee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,510 ✭✭✭Ellis Dee


    We are all equal in the sight of the law. But that is theory, not necessarily practice.:rolleyes:

    It's even worse than some of you think, because not only are there tougher penalties for crimes against members of the Garda than for crimes of which ordinary citizens are the victims, on the rare occasions when a Garda is convicted of a crime, especially a violent one, the penalty is usually a lot softer than an ordinary scumbag is likely to get.:mad:

    Sometimes you couldn't make it up. I remember one recent case where a judge suspended a sentence that clearly should have been a custodial one because - no kidding! - a Garda would find it hard to do prison time.:D


  • #27
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    We are not all equal,rich get richer, poor get poorer and FF fcuked up the country.


  • #28
    okedoke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 925 ✭✭✭okedoke


    El Weirdo wrote: »
    It was actually a lot later than the 60s.

    Edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Ireland#Commuted_death_sentences

    I stand corrected


  • #29
    44leto
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,137 ✭✭✭44leto


    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    Justice is blind.

    No wait..

    It is it is an institution for the blind.

    But they can smell money.


  • #30
    Captain Chaos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,195 ✭✭✭✭Captain Chaos


    Brendog wrote: »
    If we are all equal in the eyes of the law ...... Then why is Sean Quinn not in jail?

    This is Ireland, we don't send the rich to jail. Jail is for the poor who won't pay their bin charges.


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  • #31
    Captain Chaos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,195 ✭✭✭✭Captain Chaos


    naoise80 wrote: »
    What law did he break?

    Defrauding the state and robbing tax payer's money.


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