Ecobead recommendations

kkelly77 · 05-01-2011 12:41PM #1

I would be very interested in hearing from anyone who has had cavity wall insulation installed using Ecobead.

I have had a couple of quotes so far from installers using both Ecobead and Eurobead, Just looking to make a final decision now. Thanks.

K.

cuculainn · 06-01-2011 10:13AM

Hi,

I would be interested in this too.......have it narrowed down to these two beads also.....I'd say both are much of a muchness.

But how can I ever be sure there are no voids/gaps in the insulation?

muffler · 06-01-2011 11:41AM

kkelly77 wrote: »

I would be very interested in hearing from anyone who has had cavity wall insulation installed using Ecobead.

I have had a couple of quotes so far from installers using both Ecobead and Eurobead, Just looking to make a final decision now. Thanks.

K.

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cuculainn wrote: »

Hi,

I would be interested in this too.......have it narrowed down to these two beads also.....I'd say both are much of a muchness.

But how can I ever be sure there are no voids/gaps in the insulation?

I had the Ecobead Platinum installed about 18 months ago in a house that was built in the mid 80's and would highly recommend it. (no connection with this btw). Like any product it's only as good as the installer.

There is no easy way to determine if the cavity has been completely filled but what I would suggest is google and download the product details and ensure that the holes are bored at the recommended locations in the walls.

It would do no harm to tell the installer in advance that you have a friend who is going to do a bit of thermal imaging for you when the job is complete

kkelly77 · 10-01-2011 02:52PM

Getting the insulation done tomorrow. I'll let you know how it all goes.

kkelly77 · 11-01-2011 01:47PM

Just had the guys in this morning doing the cavity walls and attic. Super quick! Arrived at 9:15 and were gone before 12.

The attic was finished first. Very happy with this although I can't see the joists anymore what with all the insulation, so have to be very careful where I'm walking. I'll need some advice on a floating floor

The pipes were insulated as were the water tanks and the access door has been insulated with a seal around the opening. The tanks are completely wrapped which means I'll have to break the seal when I need to tie up the ball cock in the header tank when working on the central heating. I did notice walking upstairs it was like walking into a wall of heat even though both front and back door were open.

As regards the wall insulation, the lads used the standard drilling pattern and had to pump the walls at the front, rear and 1 side of the house. The porch was also done too. I'll just have to wait and see if there is a significant effect on the heat retention. I'm expecting a BIG difference as I was told there was no insulation at all inside the walls :eek:

The installers did their best to clean up after but it is messy, there's no denying that. Plus they had to pull the hose through the house to do the rear wall. If this is your setup be ready with the mop afterwards

In summary happy so far. Rang my chosen installer yesterday to make an appointment and they came today. Told arrival time would be 9:30 and they were 15 minutes early. Job done in under 3 hours. :cool:

cuculainn · 11-01-2011 01:54PM

Good stuff, I'd say you will notice a huge difference.

Just one thing. AFAIK when they cover the joists with insulation so that you cant see them they are obliged to put a walkway from the trap door to the water tank. Might be worth while giving them a call....save you the job

kkelly77 · 11-01-2011 02:09PM

cuculainn wrote: »

Just one thing. AFAIK when they cover the joists with insulation so that you cant see them they are obliged to put a walkway from the trap door to the water tank. Might be worth while giving them a call....save you the job

Is this a legal requirement or just a moral obligation?

muffler · 11-01-2011 02:48PM

cuculainn wrote: »

Just one thing. AFAIK when they cover the joists with insulation so that you cant see them they are obliged to put a walkway from the trap door to the water tank.

No, they are not obliged to do this although it would make sense and be considered best practice to have a small walkway.

cuculainn · 11-01-2011 03:15PM

muffler wrote: »

No, they are not obliged to do this although it would make sense and be considered best practice to have a small walkway.

I don't know if its a legal requirement. I just know we got a house pumped + attic insulation. It was grant aided. After it was completed SEAI called to inspect the job. And brought them back. They put the walkway down and reinstated the pipes.

kkelly77 · 11-01-2011 03:49PM

Contacted the installer. They said they will install a walkway and that it should have been done when the attic was being insulated.

caesarthechimp · 13-01-2011 12:18AM

kkelly77 wrote: »

They said they will install a walkway .

Its a condition of SEAI grant aided work, although not otherwise a legal requirement. They should also insulate and draughtproof the attic hatch.

d'Oracle · 14-01-2011 01:35PM

It is mentioned in Section B.5.1 of TGD Part L.
So it is to all intents and purposes a requirement of Building regulations.

It is also common sense, as having a plumber up in your attic with no safe platform and no idea where the joists are is not wise.

I would be interested to see how this would play out in court, I'd imagine the plumber who falls through your ceiling would have grounds for litigation too.

Goodgolfer · 29-01-2011 09:28AM

A query on cavity wall bead insulation...is there a lead time before this insulation becomes effective?

I have just spent a fortune filling the cavities in my house walls this week. So far the temperature loss overnight in the house is the same as it was prior to the work being done. So it is not working. Anybody know why?

muffler · 29-01-2011 12:16PM

Goodgolfer wrote: »

A query on cavity wall bead insulation...is there a lead time before this insulation becomes effective?

I have just spent a fortune filling the cavities in my house walls this week. So far the temperature loss overnight in the house is the same as it was prior to the work being done. So it is not working. Anybody know why?

First of all it shouldn't have cost you a "fortune" to insulate your cavities as this type of insulation can be done for around €1500 for an average sized house. It does vary of course depending on wall surface area.

Most installers will tell you that it can take 3, maybe 4 days for the insulation to become effective. Give it another couple of days and post back and let us know how its going.

Goodgolfer · 29-01-2011 06:50PM

Thanks Muffler..that's good to hear.

I wonder what is the thermodynamics/chemical reaction that causes the insulating properties to spring into play after four days or so??

sydthebeat · 29-01-2011 06:53PM

Goodgolfer wrote: »

Thanks Muffler..that's good to hear.

I wonder what is the thermodynamics/chemical reaction that causes the insulating properties to spring into play after four days or so??

its simply the time taken for the internal blockwork to "warm up"....

the now warm inner leaf wont be absorbing heat as much as it did when it wasnt pumped

MicktheMan · 30-01-2011 02:17AM

Or the predominant heat loss mechanism is not conduction through your walls.

Goodgolfer · 30-01-2011 04:56PM

Thanks Syd and Mick...3rd day since fill day and no sign yet of heat loss reduction from the room space that I am monitoring!!!

I am pretty sure that there is no other predominant heat loss mechanism from this room. There is triple glazing, no draughts, no open fireplace, the exposed roof section is heavily insulated, deep pile carpet on the floor!!

Goodgolfer · 02-02-2011 10:06PM

OK we have a solution and clarity.

Apparently it has taken about five days for the inner wall to warm up in my house.

In my sitting room, prior to cavity filling, the room radiator was not capable of bringing the room temperature to above 19C - even with the radiator kicking out as much heat as it was capable of all evening.

Now, subsequent to filling the cavity the room temperature reached 20C in just a couple of hours. Therefore much less boiler running time!! I have graphed the two situation but don't know how to stitch a graph in here!

In addition the room is much warmer the following morning. So my initial skepticism has evaporated...and I think I will get my money back before I die!!

muffler · 02-02-2011 10:27PM

Goodgolfer wrote: »

OK we have a solution and clarity.

Apparently it has taken about five days for the inner wall to warm up in my house.

In my sitting room, prior to cavity filling, the room radiator was not capable of bringing the room temperature to above 19C - even with the radiator kicking out as much heat as it was capable of all evening.

Now, subsequent to filling the cavity the room temperature reached 20C in just a couple of hours. Therefore much less boiler running time!! I have graphed the two situation but don't know how to stitch a graph in here!

In addition the room is much warmer the following morning. So my initial skepticism has evaporated...and I think I will get my money back before I die!!

Good to hear. Even with a half botched job done with the installation you would still see a little improvement but keeping an eye on it over the next couple of weeks should show how effective it is.

You will definitely see payback at some stage or other in the future but with the way the oil prices are going it could take a lot longer than what would have been originally anticipated.

MicktheMan · 03-02-2011 12:26AM

muffler wrote: »

You will definitely see payback at some stage or other in the future but with the way the oil prices are going it could take a lot longer than what would have been originally anticipated.

Shouldn't increasing oil prices shorten the payback period rather than lengthen it:)

muffler · 03-02-2011 01:06AM

MicktheMan wrote: »

Shouldn't increasing oil prices shorten the payback period rather than lengthen it:)

You are spot on indeed.

Apologies, the brain just doesn't function properly at times.

I blame the vodka

LillySV · 22-11-2011 08:02PM

Does anyone know which one of these types of cavity insulation are better?

caesarthechimp · 22-11-2011 11:28PM

LillySV wrote: »

Does anyone know which one of these types of cavity insulation are better?

In white, both the same.
In grey, the Certainfil is very slightly better. Get the grey version of either (graphite/platinum).

LillySV · 23-11-2011 12:01AM

Enrate wrote: »

In white, both the same.
In grey, the Certainfil is very slightly better. Get the grey version of either (graphite/platinum).

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liam7831 · 08-12-2014 10:17PM

Thinking of getting Kingspan Ecobead, house is approx. 30 yrs old. Anyone with personal experience of it.

Tks

Liam

sheff the ref · 04-03-2015 12:36AM

Has anyone any experience of pumping a cavity 250mm - 300mm wide on a new house?

asteroids over berlin · 19-03-2015 01:03PM

Hi, just wondering if anybody who got this done, can outline the "drill points" in the wall, as in surface area. We recently got this done and the drill points are only at the top of the extension, when we got new windows/doors installed yesterday, we noticed the beading is only up at the top where the drill points are, so we suspect the bead never fell down throughout the wall, indeed we have seen little change in temperature in the room(s) in question. The window installers were saying they should have split the wall into 1/3's (approx) and pumped in.

Any information appreciated

also to add on, we also got the attic insulated, however the contractor put 2 roof vents on the front & 2 on the back, all the other houses in our area have either 3 on the front and back (3 bed house) or 4 on the fron & back (4 bed house), we have a 4 bed house. Note: the roof vents are the exact same as on the other houses.

sydthebeat · 19-03-2015 01:38PM

check out the NSAI certificate for the particular product

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