He's right on this....."scrap the childen allowance" says O'Leary.

dj jarvis · 21-11-2011 11:44PM

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Is anyone who thinks theyre well off enough not to need this money actually forced to accept it. I thought one had to go down to the post office and sign for it or something. Surely they could just not go

So the Husband/partner's income could be LOWER than the mothers and yet the mother still gets the payment.

How is that right ?

Historically the fathers would grab the payment and piss it against a wall , they changed it so they would have half a chance of getting it near the children, or at least for their benefit by giving to the mothers only

i agree with this 100%

maddragon · 21-11-2011 11:51PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I would like to see Mr O' Leary in charge of public sector reform

Really. So you think anarchy and possible civil war would help matters.

Carlow52 · 22-11-2011 12:01AM

Abi wrote: »

Ignorant prick.

You've said it pal.

Cutting it for those on low incomes is the most ridiculous thing I've heard. Cutting it off for those of over a certain income bracket, I'd agree with.

Simpler solution: cut the prick => no child=>no allowance.

7 bill is just 2 many

22-11-2011 01:48AM

Ya can really spot the stupid idiots in any Michael o Leary thread. We should have them more often and IP ban the worst offenders.

kraggy · 22-11-2011 01:56AM

mikom wrote: »

Said on the day Ryanair announces four new routes from Knock airport.

Suckered again folks.
Too easy Michael, too easy.

Except in this case, he's putting forward a totally rational idea.

As opposed to his publicity stunts such as charging for using the toilets on aircraft and charging lower fares for people prepared to stand up at the back of a 737 on the way to Berlin.

mikom · 22-11-2011 02:00AM

kraggy wrote: »

Except in this case, he's putting forward a totally rational idea.

As opposed to his publicity stunts such as charging for using the toilets on aircraft and charging lower fares for people prepared to stand up at the back of a 737 on the way to Berlin.

Post number 187........ and Micheal is still laughin'......

kraggy · 22-11-2011 02:06AM

Quite possibly.

But I doubt it was all planned. Like I said, there hardly radical comments he made.

Helix · 22-11-2011 03:03AM

Stocking Drinks Whiskey wrote: »

You don't know how much it costs to raise a child, do you?

if you cant afford to have kids, dont have kids

blackdog2 · 22-11-2011 03:08AM

Ok, has anyone a reason as to why someone on a huge salary needs money from those less well off to assist him/her in raising their children? Because that is what O'Leary is arguing against.

Regardless of who he is, he makes a valid point as far as I can see.

Bottle_of_Smoke · 22-11-2011 03:18AM

seriously depressing the amount of people on this thread ignoring that he suggested a system where only the people who need the money get it. Even after this being pointed out to them repeatedly

Helix · 22-11-2011 03:19AM

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

seriously depressing the amount of people on this thread ignoring that he suggested a system where only the people who need the money get it. Even after this being pointed out to them repeatedly

IT'S A BLOODY DISGRACE JOE!

Richard Dower · 22-11-2011 03:25AM

The childrens allowance should be scrapped...but only for the career scumbags, the single trollops with 2 or three kids from different men, who never put on clothes and wear PJ's in the middle of the day.

Yakult · 22-11-2011 03:26AM

Helix wrote: »

if you cant afford to have kids, dont have kids

Sometimes, you dont have a choice. **** happens n'all that.

The general feeling is that it should be means tested and not just handed out to anyone regardless of income and thats the way it should be.
Might cost a bit to set it up etc but in the long run it's worth the effort. Sadly that effort is lacking yet they expect all these numbers to just fade whilst they just tax the ass hairs off us, less effort.

Helix · 22-11-2011 03:29AM

Yakult wrote: »

Sometimes, you dont have a choice. **** happens n'all that.

you always have a choice. if you have a child that you cant afford, and because of your lack of ability to afford it the child suffers, then that's child abuse in my book

teishen · 22-11-2011 03:29AM

Scrap it, children's allowance was always a ****in' joke. You think you'd get any free handout in any of those eastern european countries?! Pfft...

blackdog2 · 22-11-2011 03:30AM

Helix wrote: »

you always have a choice. if you have a child that you cant afford, and because of your lack of ability to afford it the child suffers, then that's child abuse in my book

Not a choice in this country I am afraid; try again next referendum

teishen · 22-11-2011 03:31AM

blackdog2 wrote: »

Not a choice in this country I am afraid; try again next referendum

Sure, you can always just go across to England, won't have any of that crap in my God fearing Catholic country. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Yakult · 22-11-2011 03:37AM

Helix wrote: »

you always have a choice. if you have a child that you cant afford, and because of your lack of ability to afford it the child suffers, then that's child abuse in my book

I agree with what you are saying about not having a child unless you are financially capable etc. But some times accidents do happen, you cannot plan everything, all you can do is try to prevent it.

EnufisEnuf · 22-11-2011 10:29AM

As usual anytime Mick O'Leary opens his trap he causes controversy - but if you break it down, what he is saying has merit.

He is not saying that people who can't afford to live should not receive the money.
What he is saying is that there are some single parents or couples out there with children that could afford to go with out the €140 a month benefit - in order that someone who CANT afford it benefits.

Why is it a given that if you have a child the state pays you money!
(and yes I do know how much it costs to raise a child)
(and yes I do appreciate that not all pregancies are planned)

But either way - I shouldn't assume that the state will fund my children.

However, i would like to think, that if I couldn't afford to feed,clothe or educate them that the finances would be there.

As usual with the Social benefit system of this country it is a blanket sweep for ALL and not look at on a case/case basis.

Crude and politically uncorrect as he can be - Give Mick O'Leary the countries purse strings and we'll all feel the benefit of his ways ... and the country wouldn't be on it's knees!!!

Unforunately though, he'd pi55 too many people off as we do not like change as a people, and we like to think the world owes us a living.

ibarelycare · 22-11-2011 10:50AM

SeaFields wrote: »

Would it be an idea to scrap it altogether and use the revenue to instead provide free school uniforms, books and a daily healthy school lunch(s) to every child/teen for the duration of their primary and secondary education?

Spot on.

I'd love to know what percentage of CB given out in this country actually goes directly on feeding and clothing a child and putting them through school. It should be scrapped altogether and free uniforms, schoolbooks and school lunches should be provided instead with the money. Families who are struggling beyond that should be provided with food and clothing vouchers.

The way CASH is handed out willy nilly in this country is a disgrace. CB and social welfare should be paying to keep people just above the breadline, NOT to pay for cigarettes, alcohol, holidays, internet and Sky TV.

tayto lover · 22-11-2011 10:59AM

Why are some posters suggesting that the children of alcoholics, scumbags, runaway fathers etc etc should suffer because of the circumstances they found themselves born into ?
There should always be help for these kind of unfortunate children and even M.O'L suggests that. BUT some posters are using the discussion to have a go at the ills of society and using the plight of unfortunate children to do so. The children had NO say into what kind of circumstances they were born into.
On the other-hand there are many decent families who use this welcome money wisely and their children always benefit from it. They are suffering from job losses, mortgage troubles and genuine poverty. Not all or even many parents are druggies, alcoholics and scumbags. They have their children's welfare at heart.
Perhaps the money being given to the children of problem parents could be distributed differently, through social services or in the form of vouchers, to sort out the problem. It might work but might also cause another type of stigma for the already stigmatized children.
However it's done it will not suit certain types of posters on here as they love a rant and a chance to say "why should I have to pay". It wouldn't surprise me to see a thread on here complaining about the amount of money that is spent on Special Needs children. Some people are just whingers and don't know how lucky they are. The rant is more important to them than the purpose.

stovelid · 22-11-2011 11:29AM

These threads = moron bait.

seanmc1980 · 22-11-2011 12:42PM

It baffles me the sense of entitlement a large portion of Irish society has. The expectation that the state should in some way contribute to the raising of YOUR child is ludicrous.
The social welfare in this country has gone out of hand because of the “buy a vote” politics of FF over the past 10 years.
20billion folks. That’s what it cost Ireland in social welfare every year.
Put that into context at the moment there are 1.8m people working in the state. That works out at over 11k per working person.
Scrap the childrens allowance all together its not my problem you squirt out kids you can’t afford and expect me to pay for them, your house, you drink and your fags. And while you’re at it cut the dole, limit the medical card, rent allowance and all the other ****e that’s costing the honest tax payer 11k a year to fund.
Its time to get back to basics guys, you pay your own way in life and shouldn’t have a expectation that the state will pick up the bill.

daithimacgroin · 22-11-2011 12:44PM

scrap child benefit now and in 30 years all the knackers will be gone!

Hells Belle · 22-11-2011 12:50PM

seanmc1980 wrote: »

It baffles me the sense of entitlement a large portion of Irish society has. The expectation that the state should in some way contribute to the raising of YOUR child is ludicrous.
The social welfare in this country has gone out of hand because of the “buy a vote” politics of FF over the past 10 years.
20billion folks. That’s what it cost Ireland in social welfare every year.
Put that into context at the moment there are 1.8m people working in the state. That works out at over 11k per working person.
Scrap the childrens allowance all together its not my problem you squirt out kids you can’t afford and expect me to pay for them, your house, you drink and your fags. And while you’re at it cut the dole, limit the medical card, rent allowance and all the other ****e that’s costing the honest tax payer 11k a year to fund.
Its time to get back to basics guys, you pay your own way in life and shouldn’t have a expectation that the state will pick up the bill.

Stupid is as stupid posts.

Try and get a couple of facts right before you post drivel like this, also drinking/drugging at 11am is not acceptable. Come back when you've sobered up.

My name is URL · 22-11-2011 12:53PM

seanmc1980 wrote: »

It baffles me the sense of entitlement a large portion of Irish society has. The expectation that the state should in some way contribute to the raising of YOUR child is ludicrous.
The social welfare in this country has gone out of hand because of the “buy a vote” politics of FF over the past 10 years.
20billion folks. That’s what it cost Ireland in social welfare every year.
Put that into context at the moment there are 1.8m people working in the state. That works out at over 11k per working person.
Scrap the childrens allowance all together its not my problem you squirt out kids you can’t afford and expect me to pay for them, your house, you drink and your fags. And while you’re at it cut the dole, limit the medical card, rent allowance and all the other ****e that’s costing the honest tax payer 11k a year to fund.
Its time to get back to basics guys, you pay your own way in life and shouldn’t have a expectation that the state will pick up the bill.

I wish there was some agreement that one could sign which precludes them from paying any tax whatsoever. The stipulation being that if you sign up, then you are entitled to absolutely no state or social services or protections. I wonder how eager the rabble rousers would be if that were an option.

seanmc1980 · 22-11-2011 12:53PM

Ah middle class "working class hero" is see. please tell me why is the crazy premise of getting a job and paying for your own children "stupid is as stupid does"!

bamboozle · 22-11-2011 12:54PM

bottom line is the state is paying out close to 2 billion on children's allowance each year, lots of people need it, many people dont, this expense needs to be overhauled to ensure those who need support receive it and those who dont are excluded.

seanmc1980 · 22-11-2011 12:56PM

hells bells, see link for soical welfare cost

http://crimson-observer.blogspot.com/2010/01/irelands-soaring-social-welfare-bill.html

seanmc1980 · 22-11-2011 12:59PM

bamboozle wrote: »

bottom line is the state is paying out close to 2 billion on children's allowance each year, lots of people need it, many people dont, this expense needs to be overhauled to ensure those who need support receive it and those who dont are excluded.

its actually closer to 4 bill for 2011

He's right on this....."scrap the childen allowance" says O'Leary.

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