Munster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread.

Fireball07 · 21-11-2011 04:41PM

Chambers has to start, he looks our best centre by a distance.

If he's playing 13, then Barnes has to be the one dropped. Mafi hasn't played that well, and Barnes did look good earlier in the season so I wouldn't mind seeing him and Chambers together. But atm, Chambers and Mafi.

Hype710 · 21-11-2011 04:43PM

Would McGahan ever go for Keatley at 12 with Chambers outside?

Fireball07 · 21-11-2011 04:46PM

Hype710 wrote: »

Would McGahan ever go for Keatley at 12 with Chambers outside?

Unlikely. I'd love to see it though.

ed7890 · 21-11-2011 04:48PM

It's a shame to have a good player like Keatley stuck on the bench at the moment, it would be good if he was an option to come on elsewhere in the backs. Maybe trying the next couple of games at center or fullback. But I'd be a bit worried about him defensively. Tackling seems to be his weakest area.

Amazotheamazing · 21-11-2011 04:54PM

ed7890 wrote: »

It's a shame to have a good player like Keatley stuck on the bench at the moment, it would be good if he was an option to come on elsewhere in the backs. Maybe trying the next couple of games at center or fullback. But I'd be a bit worried about him defensively. Tackling seems to be his weakest area.

what's odd is it's not that he's always a bad tackler, some days he's very good, some days he's awful, he's a dangerously inconsisent player in a position where consistency is crucial. I hope it can be worked on.

MaryKing · 21-11-2011 05:09PM

Keatley's day will come. A settled centre partnership would be a help to him as well. I think Paul Warwick was in Munster for a season before he played any Heineken Cup rugby (when Shaun Payne retired). Up to that he was just OH cover.

As for Danny Barnes - he will be fine - he was bound to have a bad game sooner rather than later. He has had it. I'd actually like to see Chambers at 12 rather than drop him.

Amazotheamazing · 21-11-2011 05:15PM

MaryKing wrote: »

Keatley's day will come. A settled centre partnership would be a help to him as well. I think Paul Warwick was in Munster for a season before he played any Heineken Cup rugby (when Shaun Payne retired). Up to that he was just OH cover.

As for Danny Barnes - he will be fine - he was bound to have a bad game sooner rather than later. He has had it. I'd actually like to see Chambers at 12 rather than drop him.

While Warwick improved a lot with Munster, he never really became consistent at outhalf, he was always liable to do something "ill-advised" no matter where he played. He's no where near the reader of a game like someone like O'Gara is, but O'Gara is probably the finest reader of a game from outhalf in the NH.

MaryKing · 21-11-2011 05:29PM

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

While Warwick improved a lot with Munster, he never really became consistent at outhalf, he was always liable to do something "ill-advised" no matter where he played. He's no where near the reader of a game like someone like O'Gara is, but O'Gara is probably the finest reader of a game from outhalf in the NH.

That was the Aussie in him though.

I think Keatley will learn from being around O'Gara (and watching him from the bench). I think Jonathan Sexton picked up a lot from O'Gara fairly quickly with regard to game management.

Amazotheamazing · 21-11-2011 05:32PM

MaryKing wrote: »

That was the Aussie in him though.

I think Keatley will learn from being around O'Gara (and watching him from the bench). I think Jonathan Sexton picked up a lot from O'Gara fairly quickly with regard to game management.

I'm not sure temperment can be taught, tbh. It can be improved but not learned, imo.

irishbucsfan · 21-11-2011 05:54PM

MaryKing wrote: »

That was the Aussie in him though.

I think Keatley will learn from being around O'Gara (and watching him from the bench). I think Jonathan Sexton picked up a lot from O'Gara fairly quickly with regard to game management.

I don't think kicking the ball out in stoppage time against the All Blacks was the Aussie in him, I think it was just daft play.

I think Keatley will be a better 10 for Munster than Warwick was. I hope so anyway.

kevinh2011 · 21-11-2011 07:20PM

Are you sure that was Paul Warwick who kicked the ball out in injury time? pretty sure it was Jeremy Manning who made that excellent decision

thomond2006 · 21-11-2011 07:51PM

It was Warwick.

Amazotheamazing · 21-11-2011 07:53PM

Yeah, pretty sure it was Warwick alright. How's Manning getting on in England?

Judgement Day · 21-11-2011 09:19PM

Let's not forget the wild and wet night Munster Warwick beat Australia.

On a more serious note I would go with those saying to drop Danny Barnes, I'm one of his biggest fans but he looked very out of his depth on Saturday. How about giving Keatley and Zebo some starts - perhaps even this weekend - probably won't happen though especially with the latter. Onward and upward.

thomond2006 · 21-11-2011 09:27PM

I wouldn't mind seeing:

Ryan, Varley, Archer, DOC, Nagle, Leamy, O'Donnell, Butler;
O'Leary, ROG, Zebo, Keatley, Chambers, Murphy/Hurley, Deasy

MaryKing · 21-11-2011 10:33PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

I don't think kicking the ball out in stoppage time against the All Blacks was the Aussie in him, I think it was just daft play.

I think Keatley will be a better 10 for Munster than Warwick was. I hope so anyway.

In fairness to him, he hadn't played in a Heineken Cup game at that stage in his career and it was a grubber kick for Howlett to run onto that was badly executed.

Still, as mentioned above, 2 years later he was magnificent against Australia, so maybe a couple of big games does help.

Amazotheamazing · 21-11-2011 11:06PM

thomond2006 wrote: »

I wouldn't mind seeing:

Ryan, Varley, Archer, DOC, Nagle, Leamy, O'Donnell, Butler;
O'Leary, ROG, Zebo, Keatley, Chambers, Murphy/Hurley, Deasy

Hmm, it's hard to know, I expect something like Horan, Varley, Archer, DOC, Ryan, Leamy, TOD, Coughlan, TOL, Keatley, Hurley, Chambers, Barnes, Howlett, Murphy. And even that would be an unlikely number of changes.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 21-11-2011 11:14PM

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

Hmm, it's hard to know, I expect something like Horan, Varley, Archer, DOC, Ryan, Leamy, TOD, Coughlan, TOL, Keatley, Hurley, Chambers, Barnes, Howlett, Murphy. And even that would be an unlikely number of changes.

DOC Ryan at lock limited lineout ability neither calls lineouts no backrow who is good in the lineout but would be interesting to see how it works in a game since if D Ryan starts DOC would be on the bench and if POC gets hurt or has to come off in a big match then Munster need to know how the lineout will work

Amazotheamazing · 21-11-2011 11:21PM

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

DOC Ryan at lock limited lineout ability neither calls lineouts no backrow who is good in the lineout but would be interesting to see how it works in a game since if D Ryan starts DOC would be on the bench and if POC gets hurt or has to come off in a big match then Munster need to know how the lineout will work

I'm sure they'll want to see it in place, POC has a fairly bad injury record.

Wonder who called the lineouts for Munster A when Nagle and MOD played together? Actually, who calls them when Nagle and Foley play together?

PhatPiggins · 21-11-2011 11:29PM

thomond2006 wrote: »

I wouldn't mind seeing:

Ryan, Varley, Archer, DOC, Nagle, Leamy, O'Donnell, Butler;
O'Leary, ROG, Zebo, Keatley, Chambers, Murphy/Hurley, Deasy

They'd want to start giving Nagle some game time soon before he seriously start regretting not moving to Northampton. No doubt it'll be MOD and DOC though.

PhatPiggins · 21-11-2011 11:31PM

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

I'm sure they'll want to see it in place, POC has a fairly bad injury record.

Wonder who called the lineouts for Munster A when Nagle and MOD played together? Actually, who calls them when Nagle and Foley play together?

Fairly sure its Foley but am open to correction there

thomond2006 · 21-11-2011 11:38PM

PhatPiggins wrote: »

They'd want to start giving Nagle some game time soon before he seriously start regretting not moving to Northampton. No doubt it'll be MOD and DOC though.

Assuming this is MOD's last season, Nagle will still be behind DOC, POC and Ryan next season.

Amazotheamazing · 21-11-2011 11:43PM

PhatPiggins wrote: »

They'd want to start giving Nagle some game time soon before he seriously start regretting not moving to Northampton. No doubt it'll be MOD and DOC though.

You never know, Nagle's injuries have robbed him of a lot of chances. Oddly, MOD and DOC are two locks who have had few enough injuries, POC and Ryan have had several, really held Ryan back too.

Amazotheamazing · 21-11-2011 11:45PM

PhatPiggins wrote: »

Fairly sure its Foley but am open to correction there

No, I think it's Foley too. Shame we've really seen so little of him, though again, injuries have played a part in that too. Just curious because Nagle does call the lineouts in the pro12 if I'm not mistaken, when he plays pro12?

thomond2006 · 21-11-2011 11:50PM

I'm pretty sure Nagle called the lineouts when he partnered Foley against Australia.

Amazotheamazing · 21-11-2011 11:54PM

thomond2006 wrote: »

I'm pretty sure Nagle called the lineouts when he partnered Foley against Australia.

Billy Holland, no? Fairly sure Holland doesn't call them.

Btw, Deasy at fullback, really? He's really failed to push on.

PhatPiggins · 22-11-2011 12:02AM

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

No, I think it's Foley too. Shame we've really seen so little of him, though again, injuries have played a part in that too. Just curious because Nagle does call the lineouts in the pro12 if I'm not mistaken, when he plays pro12?

I've only seen them play together and its been Foley, but he was also captain those days in the absence of MOD and Holland.

Fair enough Nagle has been injured a bit in the past 6 months but last year he was stellar for the first 3/4 months of the season and was then dropped like a hot potato.

I heard second hand that one of Anthony Foleys conditions for taking over Fishers job was the involvement of more of the B&I players in the full team. Hopefully that plays out for Nagle,Archer and Butler this season. Couple more like Foley,Hanrahan and Ryan that I'd like to see given more of an opportunity next season.

thomond2006 · 22-11-2011 12:04AM

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

Billy Holland, no? Fairly sure Holland doesn't call them.

Btw, Deasy at fullback, really? He's really failed to push on.

Oops sorry you're right. Would have been Holland.

On Deasy, I dunno I always kinda liked him as a player anytime I've seen him. He's just turned 23 so he could yet improve. I wish we saw more of him at 12 in earlier seasons. He's a useful squad player to have.

Amazotheamazing · 22-11-2011 12:10AM

PhatPiggins wrote: »

I've only seen them play together and its been Foley, but he was also captain those days in the absence of MOD and Holland.

Fair enough Nagle has been injured a bit in the past 6 months but last year he was stellar for the first 3/4 months of the season and was then dropped like a hot potato.

I heard second hand that one of Anthony Foleys conditions for taking over Fishers job was the involvement of more of the B&I players in the full team. Hopefully that plays out for Nagle,Archer and Butler this season. Couple more like Foley,Hanrahan and Ryan that I'd like to see given more of an opportunity next season.

Nagle wasn't dropped, he got injured last Christmas. People forget himself and POM missed a lot of last season due to injuries.

Amazotheamazing · 22-11-2011 12:12AM

thomond2006 wrote: »

Oops sorry you're right. Would have been Holland.

On Deasy, I dunno I always kinda liked him as a player anytime I've seen him. He's just turned 23 so he could yet improve. I wish we saw more of him at 12 in earlier seasons. He's a useful squad player to have.

I like Deasy, he's game and clearly talented but he's way too inconsistent. I'd like to see him at 12 (in part because he's ruled himself out at 10/15 so far) but he rarely features there for the senior team despite playing a good bit there for Munster A.

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