He's right on this....."scrap the childen allowance" says O'Leary.

Dudess · 21-11-2011 10:34PM

Did he suggest means testing though? There's a big difference between that and simply scrapping it.

hondasam · 21-11-2011 10:36PM

Dudess wrote: »

Did he suggest means testing though? There's a big difference between that and simply scrapping it.

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/oleary-scrap-my-childrens-allowance-scrap-everyones-529230.html#ixzz1eMnPIJfmf

he said scrap it and give it to those who need it through other allowances.

My_left_leg · 21-11-2011 10:37PM

westendgirlie wrote: »

The only way you get childrens allowance is if you apply for it. Why are the rich putting their claims in if they say they don't need it?

Don't bother applying if you don't want it.

because "it's me entitlement".:rolleyes:

Gandhi · 21-11-2011 10:37PM

In the US some benefits are given as a REFUNDABLE tax credit, which means that if you claim it you can actually end up receiving a refund check that exceeds all the taxes you paid during the year. This way someone who makes a small income can still benefit from it. Because it is done via your tax return, then de facto means-testing is done for free.

My_left_leg · 21-11-2011 10:41PM

Scruffles wrote: »

means testing is a great idea-as long as the cut off point for qualifying isnt to low,many in the UK miss out on various means tested baby/child related benefits because they are a tiny bit over the mark,but they are still on a very low income.

this is just a thought but perhaps instead of giving child benefits in money,they shoud be given in vouchers for specific baby/child needs [according to their age] instead,or shops to have a tab system for people who claim those benefits,give them each a tab up to the cost of the benefit or spread out between different shops,the reciepts can be sent back to the benefits people to show what is being purchased-anything not allowed and they can get warnings and lose the benefit if they carry on doing that.
its a way at stopping people spending their kids daily living needs money on things for themselves that are luxuries.

i agree scruffles, which is why i believe mean testing should be graduated along say 5 different bands, with the least well off getting 100% of benefits, and the richest getting 0%, those in between would qualify for somewhere in between depending on where your income falls.

i also agree with your voucher scheme idea allowing parents to buy the essentials and not feck off down the pub with it!

amacachi · 21-11-2011 10:43PM

Am I the only one who read the bit where he said it should go into different supports for families who are on low incomes?

John Doe1 · 21-11-2011 10:45PM

Also i humbily suggest children should be abolished

tayto lover · 21-11-2011 10:45PM

amacachi wrote: »

Am I the only one who read the bit where he said it should go into different supports for families who are on low incomes?

Gone way past that now. The knives are out.

Wertz · 21-11-2011 10:46PM

amacachi wrote: »

Am I the only one who read the bit where he said it should go into different supports for families who are on low incomes?

You're the only one who's admitting to it :pac:

skyhighflyer · 21-11-2011 10:46PM

Stocking Drinks Whiskey wrote: »

You don't know how much it costs to raise a child, do you?

I have a fair idea but I don't see why I should be responsible for bearing the cost of someone else's choice to have kids.

booboo88 · 21-11-2011 10:50PM

skyhighflyer wrote: »

I have a fair idea but I don't see why I should be responsible for bearing the cost of someone else's choice to have kids.

Seconded.

Guy:Incognito · 21-11-2011 10:50PM

For Forks Sake wrote: »

When you register the childs birth with the state (legal requirement) the details automatically go to the Dept of Social Protection who issue the child with a PPS number and start a claim for Childrens Allowance. Parents don't apply for it, it's automatically issued.

Only went through the process 6 weeks ago when my daughter was born. And I would be in favour of means testing, for the record.

It wasnt always that way though. How old are MOL's kids?

tayto lover · 21-11-2011 10:51PM

skyhighflyer wrote: »

I have a fair idea but I don't see why I should be responsible for bearing the cost of someone else's choice to have kids.

I am probably a good bit older than you SO I would have paid for you. Cheers.

For Forks Sake · 21-11-2011 10:52PM

amacachi wrote: »

Am I the only one who read the bit where he said it should go into different supports for families who are on low incomes?

Yes.

rabble rabble rabble

skyhighflyer · 21-11-2011 10:53PM

tayto lover wrote: »

I am probably a good bit older than you SO I would have paid for you. Cheers.

You're absolutely right. I still don't see how that detracts from the point I'm making, what with my having been unable to express opinions on this matter before I was in existence.

tayto lover · 21-11-2011 10:55PM

skyhighflyer wrote: »

You're absolutely right. I still don't see how that detracts from the point I'm making, what with my having been unable to express opinions on this matter before I was in existence.

Just like the kids who are benefiting now then.

hondasam · 21-11-2011 10:56PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

It wasnt always that way though. How old are MOL's kids?

6yrs, 4yrs 2yrs and a baby I think, around these ages.

Littlehorny · 21-11-2011 10:56PM

skyhighflyer wrote: »

I have a fair idea but I don't see why I should be responsible for bearing the cost of someone else's choice to have kids.

You have made a personal choice not to have kids, fair enough. But all i can say is in many years to come you might be glad of a young person to help you out cause you wont have a family around you to help you out and if you think the taxes you paid will mean this government will come to your aid, well i think you know the answer to that one.

skyhighflyer · 21-11-2011 10:58PM

Littlehorny wrote: »

You have made a personal choice not to have kids, fair enough. But all i can say is in many years to come you might be glad of a young person to help you out cause you wont have a family around you to help you out and if you think the taxes you paid will mean this government will come to your aid, well i think you know the answer to that one.

Correction. I've made a personal choice not to have them until/unless I can afford to.

dj jarvis · 21-11-2011 10:58PM

tayto lover wrote: »

I am probably a good bit older than you SO I would have paid for you. Cheers.

and probably paid for his collage education also , did his parents receive and accept their child payments ?

i think people are forgetting that the majority of people who receive the payment spend it locally , even if they spent it ALL on drink and fag the government would get 60% back in direct taxes

real clever idea taking cash from people who spend it in the state on taxable goods - sure we dont need any more jobs do we ?

suggest tax exiles should be chased - then the political class and sure why not then tap the professionals while we are at it and work down the gravy train till we get to the children

like i said earlier - the smell in this county is getting worse by the day

skyhighflyer · 21-11-2011 11:00PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Just like the kids who are benefiting now then.

Also true, but for every kid that benefits there's another whose parents are either pissing it up against a wall or who don't need it. Means testing until the current generation of kids are 18, then phase it out altogether.

skregs · 21-11-2011 11:00PM

For Forks Sake wrote: »

When you register the childs birth with the state (legal requirement) the details automatically go to the Dept of Social Protection who issue the child with a PPS number and start a claim for Childrens Allowance. Parents don't apply for it, it's automatically issued.

Only went through the process 6 weeks ago when my daughter was born. And I would be in favour of means testing, for the record.

It is in its hole automatic, when my daughter was born 8 weeks ago we had wait for the hospital to finish all their paper work and send it into the Department of Social Protection, apply for a birth certificate from Lombard Street registration office, wait to receive an application form from the Dept, go out to a welfare office in Darndale or some ****hole near it, get her PPS number that we needed the birth cert for, send off the childrens allowance application form and we're still waiting to hear a reply.

tl,dr:

You **APPLY** for childrens allowance, if you don't want/need it, don't apply for it

Dags · 21-11-2011 11:05PM

God this guy is so annoying.........., means test it then the likes of him won't get any payment !!

tayto lover · 21-11-2011 11:07PM

skyhighflyer wrote: »

Also true, but for every kid that benefits there's another whose parents are either pissing it up against a wall or who don't need it. Means testing until the current generation of kids are 18, then phase it out altogether.

Correct but do you not think they would "piss it all up the wall" even if CB was dis-continued. The child has no say unfortunately but not all parents use the money on alcohol and in many homes the money is welcomed and used as intended. I wouldn't like to judge everyone else and only hope that CB is used for the good of the children it was intended for.

greystonesgirl · 21-11-2011 11:15PM

It's not "his" children's allowance to give away. It's the only social welfare payment directly paid to mothers in Ireland regardless of marital status and many mothers only source of independence regardless of the income of their husband in all sorts of situations.

Chuck Stone · 21-11-2011 11:15PM

means testing it creates bureaucracy - just make it an offence to collect after 100K pa earnings or something

xsiborg · 21-11-2011 11:20PM

hondasam wrote: »

what about the people who do not work? people on the dole.

what about them?

seriously?

are they incapable of budgeting? like people that work for a living have to do?

Mike 1972 · 21-11-2011 11:27PM

Is anyone who thinks theyre well off enough not to need this money actually forced to accept it. I thought one had to go down to the post office and sign for it or something. Surely they could just not go

greystonesgirl wrote: »

It's the only social welfare payment directly paid to mothers in Ireland regardless of marital status and many mothers only source of independence regardless of the income of their husband in all sorts of situations.

So the Husband/partner's income could be LOWER than the mothers and yet the mother still gets the payment.

How is that right ?

hondasam · 21-11-2011 11:31PM

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

It's the most stupid of allowances. It should come in the form of a tax credit.

xsiborg wrote: »

what about them?

seriously?

are they incapable of budgeting? like people that work for a living have to do?

This is what my reply was in response to. Maybe you did not read the thread.

xsiborg · 21-11-2011 11:36PM

hondasam wrote: »

This is what my reply was in response to. Maybe you did not read the thread.

apologies hondasam, i was reading through the thread there now since i last posted on the third page, having read through your subsequent posts i realise i took you up wrong...

He's right on this....."scrap the childen allowance" says O'Leary.

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