He's right on this....."scrap the childen allowance" says O'Leary.

gerryo777 · 21-11-2011 08:49PM

Agent Smith wrote: »

he's right.

I'd also scrap single mothers allowance, for any single mother not living alone

It was only a matter of time before single mothers were brought into it....

gerryo777 · 21-11-2011 08:50PM

Storminateacup wrote: »

I think it's pathetic - to the guy who wrote the novel. I have a child, I work my ass off. Infact, I was labelled a bad mother on this very forum, for leaving her to go to work. Lol. A bad mother because I work to feed, clothe and put a roof over her head. Instead of sitting back expecting the government to hand me taxpayers money.

She is my child. My responsiblilty. If I couldn't have afforded her, I wouldn't have had her.

And don't even get me started on what most parents spend their childrens allowance on. Their children? Oh puh-lease.

Bitter, Much?

My name is URL · 21-11-2011 08:50PM

Storminateacup wrote: »

URL - you see, the difference between my wages and the childrens allowance is I get off my ass for my wages jnstead of staying on my back for childrens allowance.

It should not be something you're entitled to. Personal liberty to spend other peoples money? Are you serious?

My point was that you are generalizing it grossly. Not everyone who is on the dole or in receipt of a social welfare payment falls into the group that you're describing. The people you're referring to are in the tiny majority.. so why punish everybody else for their mistakes or poor decisions.

Micky Dolenz · 21-11-2011 08:51PM

gerryo777 wrote: »

BITTER, MUCH?

Why so shouty?

Gyalist · 21-11-2011 08:51PM

For Forks Sake wrote: »

westendgirlie wrote: »

The only way you get childrens allowance is if you apply for it. Why are the rich putting their claims in if they say they don't need it?

Don't bother applying if you don't want it.

When you register the childs birth with the state (legal requirement) the details automatically go to the Dept of Social Protection who issue the child with a PPS number and start a claim for Childrens Allowance. Parents don't apply for it, it's automatically issued.

Only went through the process 6 weeks ago when my daughter was born. And I would be in favour of means testing, for the record.

Is that so? I've never claimed Children's Allowance for my child.

gerryo777 · 21-11-2011 08:53PM

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Why so shouty?

Stupid caps lock!:rolleyes:

Micky Dolenz · 21-11-2011 08:55PM

gerryo777 wrote: »

Stupid caps lock!:rolleyes:

hATE THAt :P

crackcrack30 · 21-11-2011 08:58PM

In addition to comming cuts in welfare Joan should decide that from lets say '2013' that all subsequent social welfare applications are paid out at a reduced rate with some benifits post 2013 scrapped altogether.......
this would ease the burden on people caught up in the housing/unemployement bubble that have their 'Beds already made' but would give future welfare clients food for thought before they become completely dependant on state social welfare.

Within 10 years there would be a much more cost effective system in place...... Im tierd of looking at the two teen with baby 'family' with everything provided on cue..........................

hondasam · 21-11-2011 08:59PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

what a moronic post :eek:
so someone who was working and could afford to raise the children find themselves laid off and unable to now finance the up keep of their children
so starve because you think they should not get the allowance ???

you a posting sh1t - sure there are thoughtless parents spending the children's allowance on drugs and booze - but the VAST MAJORITY dont

fine take away the allowance - to appease idiots who dont understand how badly this is needed by most of the family's receive it
and in its place the government will have to fund creche and childcare , clothing - food - and other supports that the majority of civilized western nations provide

obviously your parents could afford to have children and handed the payment they received back to the state coffers - seeing they did not need it

another childless - mindless - young and dumb as rocks statement

means test is the ONLY fair solution

Are you saying when people decide to have children the factor in what they get in Child benefit?
If it was scrapped would people stop having children?

texidub · 21-11-2011 09:00PM

If it can't be cost-effectively means-tested, is it time for a Chinese-style, 1 child policy til we get through this mess? For 5 years perhaps? Forced abortions or imprisonment for those who have more than one child. Any surplus babies can be used for dog food or finger food, perhaps?

westendgirlie · 21-11-2011 09:01PM

Agent Smith wrote: »

he's right.

I'd also scrap single mothers allowance, for any single mother not living alone

I know isn't it disgraceful. And single fathers get sod all !!!

dj jarvis · 21-11-2011 09:06PM

hondasam wrote: »

Are you saying when people decide to have children the factor in what they get in Child benefit?
If it was scrapped would people stop having children?

no - but i was answering the question that people who could not afford them should not have them

very few people in this country can " afford " children
its not about being able to afford them, its a case of stopping a huge section of the society slipping into poverty - and poverty breeds crime and criminals

as a nation we all would be worse off if no payment was available

so in answer to you question "If it was scrapped would people stop having children" no they would not
just they would be a lot worse off - and as i said that would be worse for US ALL

anyway how you treat your poor - young and elderly is truly a reflection on your society
and we are doing poorly based on the rubbish being posted in this thread

maiden · 21-11-2011 09:10PM

I dont think MOL realises how many seats on his planes were paid for from the Childrens Allowance!!!!

Sky King · 21-11-2011 09:10PM

It mainly goes on boxes of fags and bets doesn;t it?

hondasam · 21-11-2011 09:12PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

no - but i was answering the question that people who could not afford them should not have them

very few people in this country can " afford " children
its not about being able to afford them, its a case of stopping a huge section of the society slipping into poverty - and poverty breeds crime and criminals

as a nation we all would be worse off if no payment was available

so in answer to you question "If it was scrapped would people stop having children" no they would not
just they would be a lot worse off - and as i said that would be worse for US ALL

anyway how you treat your poor - young and elderly is truly a reflection on your society
and we are doing poorly based on the rubbish being posted in this thread

Why is it rubbish, if people want children it's their choice but you cannot expect everyone else to provide for them.
Child benefit is way to high here compared to other countries.

joes girls · 21-11-2011 09:14PM

The CEO of Ryanair Michael O'Leary has said child benefit should be scrapped.

What's wrong with this man, does he not realise it's the one's claiming the dole, lone-parents and child benefit, bleeding the country dry, taking all our hard earned money, are the very ones filling his seats on his planes, sure we all know that Bob and Nancy only had those 2 extra kids to get a fortnight away every year!!!:pac:

dj jarvis · 21-11-2011 09:14PM

Sky King wrote: »

It mainly goes on boxes of fags and bets doesn;t it?

well then the dole and lone parents should also go if you use this logic, not to mention the state pension and the sick benefit,

and if this is the way we are going ill stop paying my tax becasue the government keeps wasting it on bloated pensions and bank bail outs

christ we would end up with bands of Ferrel people wandering the streets

Logical Fallacy · 21-11-2011 09:19PM

hondasam wrote: »

Why is it rubbish, if people want children it's their choice but you cannot expect everyone else to provide for them.
Child benefit is way to high here compared to other countries.

Do you have a link to info on other countries?

Would love to have an auld looky loo.

dj jarvis · 21-11-2011 09:22PM

hondasam wrote: »

Why is it rubbish, if people want children it's their choice but you cannot expect everyone else to provide for them.
Child benefit is way to high here compared to other countries.

in answer to you first question i have gave my view twice in 2 previous post , read them again if you want a answer - tired repeating myself

as for you comparison to other country's , most EU states have a **** load of other helps for family's on top of child benefits
we do not , its one payment and that is it
have you ever seen state run child care in this country ?
is it not us that have cut SNA teachers ? less social workers
no drug places for children , no mental hospital for children ect ect

you comparison is a red herring

but cut away , kill it totally - sure what could the future harm be

gerryo777 · 21-11-2011 09:26PM

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

Do you have a link to info on other countries?

Would love to have an auld looky loo.

UK Rates £20.30 per week first child,£13.40 per week each child after...

hondasam · 21-11-2011 09:28PM

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

Do you have a link to info on other countries?

Would love to have an auld looky loo.

http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=child%20benefit%20rates%20uk&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CDAQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hmrc.gov.uk%2Fchildbenefit%2Fpayments-entitlements%2Fpayments%2Frates.htm&ei=0rLKTtKzJ46KhQehuJxZ&usg=AFQjCNHKChYiogpiyag5vaiy_kFG1cUjcg

http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=children%20allowance%20ireland&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCgQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.citizensinformation.ie%2Fen%2Fsocial_welfare%2Fsocial_welfare_payments%2Fsocial_welfare_payments_to_families_and_children%2Fchild_benefit.html&ei=K7TKTuD5IYHAhAfd0InOAQ&usg=AFQjCNH6z-EXtQDzV2GsBfxsjQFc2hHWkw

That is UK and Ireland.

cgarrad · 21-11-2011 09:31PM

Child Benefit monthly rate in 2011:

Child Benefit Monthly rate
One child €140
Two children €280
Three children €447
Four children €624
Five children €801
Six children €978
Seven children €1,155
Eight children €1,332

Plus dole, housing, medical and possible single mother.

No wonder we are at record birth rates

hondasam · 21-11-2011 09:31PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

in answer to you first question i have gave my view twice in 2 previous post , read them again if you want a answer - tired repeating myself

as for you comparison to other country's , most EU states have a **** load of other helps for family's on top of child benefits
we do not , its one payment and that is it
have you ever seen state run child care in this country ?
is it not us that have cut SNA teachers ? less social workers
no drug places for children , no mental hospital for children ect ect

you comparison is a red herring

but cut away , kill it totally - sure what could the future harm be

I have no idea what you are talking about, have you a link for most EU states who have other allowances for families?

dj jarvis · 21-11-2011 09:34PM

if people are so bent on getting rid of CB then i suggest vote for a party that is going to cut these benefits - use your democratic right and power as the electorate to change the system

and see how ya get on , because unlike a lot of people on this thread the majority of the citizens would never vote for a right wing party like that

so your choice is this , if you dont like the laws of this land - leave
or get them changed
simple as that

hooradiation · 21-11-2011 09:34PM

Braelyn Bewildered Timekeeper wrote: »

He's just saying it to promote his ****ing airline. If people didn't act so outraged at everything he said he wouldn't say anything.

Sadly, O'Leary can only be silenced by the grave. And even then it's 50/50

dj jarvis · 21-11-2011 09:36PM

hondasam wrote: »

I have no idea what you are talking about, have you a link for most EU states who have other allowances for families?

what ??? are your for real ???

have you never gone abroad - or worked abroad ?

i travel in Scandinavia a lot as well as Denmark and Germany and trust me these nations child care system is LIGHT years ahead of ours

you want links - use google

westendgirlie · 21-11-2011 09:36PM

cgarrad wrote: »

Child Benefit monthly rate in 2011:

Child Benefit Monthly rate
One child €140
Two children €280
Three children €447
Four children €624
Five children €801
Six children €978
Seven children €1,155
Eight children €1,332

Plus dole, housing, medical and possible single mother.

No wonder we are at record birth rates

Will someone please link me to this single MOTHER allowance you are whinging about?

Or better still, whinge about something ONLY when you know what you're talking about.

Kitty-kitty · 21-11-2011 09:36PM

Just curious, to people who say child allowance should instead be a tax credit...

... what do you propose they should do for parents whose incomes are too low to pay any worthwhile mentioning tax on?

tacofries · 21-11-2011 09:42PM

MidlandsM wrote: »

The CEO of Ryanair Michael O'Leary has said child benefit should be scrapped.

O'Leary said it was ridiculous that he received the entitlement for his four children, given his income.

Speaking today,he said the allowance should be scrapped for everyone, even those on lower incomes.

"I think you scrap it for everybody...You need to channel children's allowance (to those who need it) through income support schemes, where you're trying to channel money to those on very low incomes," he said.

Read more: http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/oleary-scrap-my-childrens-allowance-scrap-everyones-529230.html#ixzz1eMnPIJfm

1.He IS saying that children allowance should be scrapped. 2.However he IS also saying that it should be given to those on low income through another system\scheme which does not also give child allowance to the rich such as himself.

Thats my take on what he said, and i dont see anything wrong it cause he's not saying don't give any form of income to support children, but is just saying do it in a different way other than child allowance which the rich also get.

Micky Dolenz · 21-11-2011 09:42PM

Kitty-kitty wrote: »

Just curious, to people who say child allowance should instead be a tax credit...

... what do you propose they should do for parents whose incomes are too low to pay any worthwhile mentioning tax on?

Be entitled to it through the social welfare.parent would need to claim it as a benefit.

He's right on this....."scrap the childen allowance" says O'Leary.

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