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  • #62
    ABajaninCork
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,411 ✭✭✭ABajaninCork


    earpiece wrote: »
    White people are actually the coloured ones......

    White people go pink in the sun
    White people go red with embarrassment
    White people go blue in the cold
    White people go pale when sick

    And I think you'll find 'Black' people pretty much stay the same colour all the time!

    Erm - NO!! We tan, the same as everyone else. We can look sick, and we bruise which can also show up on the skin. Just like any other folk.


  • #63
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    ABajaninCork wrote: »
    Erm - NO!! We tan, the same as everyone else. We can look sick, and we bruise which can also show up on the skin. Just like any other folk.

    Ahh here. Next you'll be saying ye've red blood and stuff.


  • #64
    earpiece
    Closed Accounts Posts: 550 ✭✭✭earpiece


    ABajaninCork wrote: »
    Erm - NO!! We tan, the same as everyone else. We can look sick, and we bruise which can also show up on the skin. Just like any other folk.

    Ahhhhhh, bubble burster.


  • #65
    doncarlos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,860 ✭✭✭doncarlos


    realies wrote: »
    And what about all the rap songs & singers that constantly refer to each other in the N word .motherfcuker:cool:

    Never understood that. Wonder do Irish rappers call each other pasty, potato eating bastids?


  • #66
    ABajaninCork
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,411 ✭✭✭ABajaninCork


    Nodin wrote: »
    Ahh here. Next you'll be saying ye've red blood and stuff.

    You read my mind...


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  • #67
    xsiborg
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,635 ✭✭✭xsiborg


    ABajaninCork wrote: »
    I never said anything about rappers did I? FWIW I do not agree with the use of the word in ANY context. You'll find a lot of black people who think the same way.

    We have enough negativity going around without the same crap coming from people of the same race.

    exactly this.

    black friend of mine was talking to a friend of his on the phone one day and i overheard him call him "homeboy", i inquired about it and he explained that the whole "N" word thing in music is just marketing, aimed at white people who think that rap IS black music, and the whole "bad boy taboo" stereotype image.

    i've been to house parties with these guys and they listen to carribbean and jamaican rhythms and upbeat "positive"? music, no sign of "2pac", (opressed, repressed), or "fiddy cent", (whores, bitches, pimps, glocks, etc) in their music collections or MTV on the tv, all i can say is it was a bit of an eye opener against the stereotype! :D


  • #68
    iregk
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,235 ✭✭✭iregk


    ABajaninCork wrote: »
    I never said anything about rappers did I? FWIW I do not agree with the use of the word in ANY context. You'll find a lot of black people who think the same way.

    We have enough negativity going around without the same crap coming from people of the same race.

    No you didn't mention it which is why I was asking. Good response though and I fully agree with your final point.

    Take it from the legend that is Richard Prior, talking about a trip he had to Africa:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AltWj4iAmno


  • #69
    Duffy the Vampire Slayer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,385 ✭✭✭Duffy the Vampire Slayer


    Davidth88 wrote: »
    Western Oriental Gentleman

    Term used in the Raj ( IIRC )

    Interestingly you don't hear it at all now


    Backronym.


  • #70
    Pherekydes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,339 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    JohnnyTodd wrote: »
    What's wrong with using the word negro?

    In Spanish, no problemo.

    But what's wrong with good old black, assuming you are using English?


  • #71
    [Deleted User]
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    Saying a black man or black woman is fine, its on most official documents e.g. the Census.

    The thing I dont understand is why people need to emphasise the fact that someone is black. I was working in Dunnes a fewyears ago and we got a new employee. ''Ah were ya talking to the new black one?'' I cant get my head around this. Can they not just ask ''were ya talking to Kelly?'' or ''were ya talking to the new girl?''

    Same thing a few nights ago. A friend was telling me he saw a man having an argumement with a black bus driver. Why do they need to mention the colour at all?


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  • #72
    Kingpin187
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 133 ✭✭Kingpin187


    If I get called white, when Im technically not, then I can say black, even though blacks are not technically black. Aiight?


  • #73
    The Rook
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    Omackeral wrote: »
    Saying a black man or black woman is fine, its on most official documents e.g. the Census.

    The thing I dont understand is why people need to emphasise the fact that someone is black. I was working in Dunnes a fewyears ago and we got a new employee. ''Ah were ya talking to the new black one?'' I cant get my head around this. Can they not just ask ''were ya talking to Kelly?'' or ''were ya talking to the new girl?''

    Same thing a few nights ago. A friend was telling me he saw a man having an argumement with a black bus driver. Why do they need to mention the colour at all?

    Completely agree, no need at all, but there are times when you need to refer to colour and if a time like that comes up I'd like to know what I was doing was ok and not derogatory / inflammatory in any way at all.


  • #74
    Leftist
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,230 ✭✭✭Leftist


    Omackeral wrote: »
    Saying a black man or black woman is fine, its on most official documents e.g. the Census.

    The thing I dont understand is why people need to emphasise the fact that someone is black. I was working in Dunnes a fewyears ago and we got a new employee. ''Ah were ya talking to the new black one?'' I cant get my head around this. Can they not just ask ''were ya talking to Kelly?'' or ''were ya talking to the new girl?''

    Same thing a few nights ago. A friend was telling me he saw a man having an argumement with a black bus driver. Why do they need to mention the colour at all?

    yep exactly.

    Case in point (on topic!) a sports player in england has been charged with racism against another. The charge pertains to the accussed calling the victim a negrito (which is spanish for black). the defenders of this accused say that negrito just means black and in south american culture it is normal to call black people a negrito. But why was the accussed repeatedly refering to his opposition by the colour of his skin? that is the point. It's all in the context.


  • #75
    bodhrandude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,321 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    In the UK is the black man not usually referred to as West Indian well in the 1980s anyway, meaning either Caribbean, Jamaican or Trinidad and Tobago. Nowadays there is more of a mix, but to refer to someone as just African, theres a load of countries in Africa, Ghana, Egypt, Somalia etc And its not as if you can generalise Africans either, as some contrast completely from other cultures.

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • #76
    corktina
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    Davidth88 wrote: »
    Western Oriental Gentleman

    Term used in the Raj ( IIRC )

    Interestingly you don't hear it at all now

    I beleive it was in fact Wily Oriental Gentlemen and probably refered to Arabs originally. (or should I say A-rabs?)

    To me there are just two types of people (with a bit of fudging of the boundaries in between ..) Decent People and Scumbags.

    I don't really care where they come from or what they look like.


  • #77
    OneArt
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    In South Africa everyone I knew would say black or white, or coloured to described mixed race people. It wasn't seen as racist it was just describing them.

    Of course for years as a kid, I always thought "white" people were actually pure white in colour and I kept wondering why I never saw any white people.


  • #78
    Ellis Dee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,510 ✭✭✭Ellis Dee


    I actually know several black-skinned persons quite well and they have no problem with being called Black.:) A couple of them are from the USA, but others from various parts of Africa, so Afro-American doesn't really cut it.

    I think the term "coloured" is very silly. Everyone is coloured. I'm mostly a sort of off-white with beige and brownish spots, blue eyes, white hair and a red neck. Is that coloured enough?:rolleyes::rolleyes:


  • #79
    [Deleted User]
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    Originally Posted by Davidth88 viewpost.gif
    Western Oriental Gentleman

    Term used in the Raj ( IIRC )

    Interestingly you don't hear it at all now
    Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »
    Backronym.

    Blackronym.


  • #80
    mconigol
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaaZsBxWeiQ


  • #81
    Oranage2
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    First world translucent people problems.


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  • #82
    corktina
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    OneArt wrote: »
    In South Africa everyone I knew would say black or white, or coloured to described mixed race people. It wasn't seen as racist it was just describing them.

    Of course for years as a kid, I always thought "white" people were actually pure white in colour and I kept wondering why I never saw any white people.

    Apartheid wasn't racist then? OK struggling with that one.


  • #83
    Davidth88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭Davidth88


    I loath the term ' African American ' .

    I have a South African friend ( white ) who confused the hell out of people in the US because he ticked ' African ' in an employment thingie.... they told him he couldn't be African because he wasn't black !!!


    Mad isn't it .


    I stand corrected on the term WOG by the way thanks Corktina .


  • #84
    maiden
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 798 ✭✭✭maiden


    When I first moved into my estate it had mostly Africans living here, and my kids used to play outside and were known as 'whitey' I would hear the African kids say 'kick the ball whitey' etc I never had a problem with it.

    BUT if it was the other way around??


  • #85
    iregk
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,235 ✭✭✭iregk


    maiden wrote: »
    BUT if it was the other way around??

    True. He could be throwing the ball!!!


  • #86
    Sisko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,910 ✭✭✭Sisko


    Omackeral wrote: »
    Saying a black man or black woman is fine, its on most official documents e.g. the Census.

    The thing I dont understand is why people need to emphasise the fact that someone is black. I was working in Dunnes a fewyears ago and we got a new employee. ''Ah were ya talking to the new black one?'' I cant get my head around this. Can they not just ask ''were ya talking to Kelly?'' or ''were ya talking to the new girl?''

    Same thing a few nights ago. A friend was telling me he saw a man having an argumement with a black bus driver. Why do they need to mention the colour at all?
    The Rook wrote: »
    Completely agree, no need at all, but there are times when you need to refer to colour and if a time like that comes up I'd like to know what I was doing was ok and not derogatory / inflammatory in any way at all.


    I can never understand peoples problems with this. This is completely normal and understandable.

    Its called describing the person simply so the other person has a more accurate image in his head. Its completely and utterly natural and there is no malice intended.

    People will always point out the obvious difference in someone when describing that person to someone else. If I was over in china and started work in a place where I was the only white Irish guy, of course the people there in conversations will clarify when talking about me among themselves as "the white guy" or "the Irish guy". Otherwise they'll picture an average joe Chinese guy when I'm being described to them.

    Its not racist , its logical. Next thing you know people will be so PC as to complain when people describe someone by their gender. "Why couldn't you just say person , or human you sexist monster."


  • #87
    ABajaninCork
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,411 ✭✭✭ABajaninCork


    bodhrandude wrote: »
    In the UK is the black man not usually referred to as West Indian well in the 1980s anyway, meaning either Caribbean, Jamaican or Trinidad and Tobago. Nowadays there is more of a mix, but to refer to someone as just African, theres a load of countries in Africa, Ghana, Egypt, Somalia etc And its not as if you can generalise Africans either, as some contrast completely from other cultures.

    In the UK, people of West Indian descent (including Jamaican, Trini, Barbadian :)) are referred to as Afro-Caribbean. On Census forms, etc., you can specify your exact racial origin; e.g. Afro-Caribbean/Mixed, African/Mixed, Asian/Mixed and so on.

    I just put 'Other' just to be awkward! :D.


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