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Munster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,264 ✭✭✭✭Fireball07


    EKClarke wrote: »
    Have to say Hurley has been suspect for a few trys. I've counted at least 3. It will be suicide to to play him against the Scarlets. What other options do Munster have?

    Zebo is really the only other option. Unless they put Barnes/Mafi/Chambers on the wing. Hurley is supposed to be included for his solid defence and I think the reason Zebo hasn't been involved is question marks over his defence.


    Other possibilies (though less likely) are Keatley going to full-back and Murphy going to the wing. Or TOL playing on the wing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    Edinburgh at Thomond and Ospreys away next up in the Pro12 before Munster face Scarlets home and away in the Heineken.

    The internationals have been playing 3 straight weeks so a lot of them will be rested against Edinburgh. The Scottish side will be on a huge high after their exploits in Europe.

    I think this is a good chance to give a lot of youngsters gametime and rest the stars.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,264 ✭✭✭✭Fireball07


    Edinburgh at Thomond and Ospreys away next up in the Pro12 before Munster face Scarlets home and away in the Heineken.

    The internationals have been playing 3 straight weeks so a lot of them will be rested against Edinburgh. The Scottish side will be on a huge high after their exploits in Europe.

    I think this is a good chance to give a lot of youngsters gametime and rest the stars.

    I think POM needs a rest too.

    It might be unlikely but I'd love to see Butler and TOD both given a run-out alongside Leamy in the back row. Nagle and Zebo too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 26,591 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Match report from Neath RFC


    Neath 9 Munster A 23 By Tony Poole At The Gnoll



    MUNSTER A not so much shut Neath out but squeezed the life out of them during this well-contested British & Irish Cup clash.

    Just six days after carding a 29-16 win over holders Bristol at the Memorial Ground, the Blacks found the Irishmen a completely different kettle of fish.

    While the West Country men were generous hosts in defence, Neath constantly knocked on the Irish door without gaining entry.

    The seeds were sown early on, as Neath gave the Irish province their best shots, and almost made it over the try-line on a few occasions.

    But as the tie wore on, so the strength of the professional Munster side shone through against their gritty semi-professional opponents.

    And after wing Simon Zebo touched down in the 54th minute, there was only going to be one winner.

    Though the Neath forwards gave it their best, the lineout proved a productive area for the Irish.

    Time and again Neath fail to secure ball on their own throw, and this gave Munster a psychologically important advantage.

    Once again the industry of captain Gareth Gravell, back-row chum Lee Evans together with locks Euros Evans and Adam Powell kept the wolf from the door.

    But realistically, with the score on 23-9, the best the Blacks could hope for was a converted try to walk off with a losing bonus point.

    And although replacements David Evans and Thomas Barry succeeded in denting the Irish defence, the buckles were soon hammered out.

    A lot of energy was exerted during Neath’s encouraging start against Munster, and it was rewarded when fly-half Dai Langdon placed a seventh-minute penalty.

    Back came the Irish with two penalties from fly-half J J Hanrahan while a 23rd-minute penalty from Langdon restored parity.

    However, two minutes later Munster wing Ronan O’Mahoney was deemed to have got enough downward pressure on the ball, and was awarded a corner try.

    A superb Hanrahan conversion made it 13-6 while the Blacks went on to boss the remainder of the half.

    But significantly they failed to turn pressure into points - and received a massive setback a minute into the second half.

    Captain and flanker Gareth Gravell, who later came off injured, was binned for a deliberate knock on.

    Fly-half Hanrahan nailed the subsequent 42nd-minute penalty, and the key score unfolded in the 54th minute.

    Neath failed to get the black blanket in position, and a tap and go from scrum-half Duncan Williams, resulting in wing Simon Zebo tearing through a gap to touchdown.

    Another Hanrahan conversion left Neath requiring two converted tries for just share the spoils - and that was mission impossible.



    Match stats



    Neath: Pens – D. Langdon (3)
    Team: A. Jenkins; K. James, A. Bramwell (D. Evans 77 mins), G. McCarthy, J. Davies; D. Langdon (C. Clement 72), C. Morgans (T. Barry 72); N. Downs, A. Littlehales (R. Clancy 55), J. Reeves (T. Price 63), A. Powell, E. Evans, G. Gravell (capt, T. Herdman 68), L. Evans (N. Ace 79), L. Ward



    Munster A: Tries – R. O’Mahoney, S. Zebo; Cons: J. J. Hanrahan (2); Pens: J. J. Hanrahan (3)
    Team: L. O’Dea; R. O’Mahoney (D. Moroney 72), T. Gleeson, C. Hircock (J. Holland 77), S. Zebo; J. J. Hanrahan, D. Williams (P. Stringer 55); D.Kilcoyne, S. Henry (D. Casey 70), S. Archer (A. Cotter 64), D. Foley (B. O’Hara 68), I. Nagle, B. Holland (capt, B. Hayes 77), P. Butler, T. O’Donnell



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,048 ✭✭✭Amazotheamazing


    Edinburgh at Thomond and Ospreys away next up in the Pro12 before Munster face Scarlets home and away in the Heineken.

    The internationals have been playing 3 straight weeks so a lot of them will be rested against Edinburgh. The Scottish side will be on a huge high after their exploits in Europe.

    I think this is a good chance to give a lot of youngsters gametime and rest the stars.

    I'd expect Edinburgh will have to rest players too, they've suddenly gotten a great chance in their group, that has to be their priority ahead of an away game in Munster.

    I don't know if we'll see wholesale changes, I'd hope guys like Nagle and TOD come in alright.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 220 ✭✭EKClarke


    Fireball07 wrote: »
    Zebo is really the only other option. Unless they put Barnes/Mafi/Chambers on the wing. Hurley is supposed to be included for his solid defence and I think the reason Zebo hasn't been involved is question marks over his defence.


    Other possibilies (though less likely) are Keatley going to full-back and Murphy going to the wing. Or TOL playing on the wing.

    Ye have to drop him. My hearts in my mouth whenever someone tries to take him on. The way I see it he's culpable for maybe 75% of the tries scored against ye so far. I'd be very pessimistic of Munster's chances of qualifying if he plays away to Scarlets.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,093 ✭✭✭CiaranMT


    EKClarke wrote: »
    Ye have to drop him. My hearts in my mouth whenever someone tries to take him on. The way I see it he's culpable for maybe 75% of the tries scored against ye so far. I'd be very pessimistic of Munster's chances of qualifying if he plays away to Scarlets.

    You sure you're not thinking of Johne? I know against Toulon he had a nightmare.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,048 ✭✭✭Amazotheamazing


    EKClarke wrote: »
    Ye have to drop him. My hearts in my mouth whenever someone tries to take him on. The way I see it he's culpable for maybe 75% of the tries scored against ye so far. I'd be very pessimistic of Munster's chances of qualifying if he plays away to Scarlets.

    Strong chance Earls will be back by then though. Here's hoping.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 220 ✭✭EKClarke




  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 3,807 ✭✭✭castie




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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 220 ✭✭EKClarke


    castie wrote: »
    wrong thread?

    Ballix

    There fixed.:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 697 ✭✭✭pajunior


    phog wrote: »
    Match report from Neath RFC

    I always thought "kettle of fish" was an Irish phrase. :pac:

    You learn something new everyday I suppose.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 220 ✭✭EKClarke


    Interesting fact for ye Munster boys I found while carousing the internet.

    Thomond was in fact once part of Connacht as was most of North Munster until boys moving up from Kerry and Cork annexed it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,048 ✭✭✭Amazotheamazing


    EKClarke wrote: »
    Interesting fact for ye Munster boys I found while carousing the internet.

    Thomond was in fact once part of Connacht as was most of North Munster until boys moving up from Kerry and Cork annexed it.


    Not really, County Clare used to be called Thomond and was considered part of Connacht but the name Thomond itself, which predates county boundaries, means North Munster in Irish. Course, if we renamed it to suit our expantionist ideals that's a different matter... Operation Enduring Freedom is ongoing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 670 ✭✭✭Annabella1


    I think we all agree POM is a great prospect...but Jeez,he leads with the head when going into contact and I suspect he will always play like that.Wonder if a scrum cap might help?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,592 ✭✭✭GerM


    Annabella1 wrote: »
    I think we all agree POM is a great prospect...but Jeez,he leads with the head when going into contact and I suspect he will always play like that.Wonder if a scrum cap might help?

    Not really. Scrum caps protect ears and superficial wounds like cuts and bruising. Concussion occurs when the brain is, for want of a better explanation, rattled about inside the skull. American football players still suffer concussion through their helmets. Once the impact is of a certain degree, the brain will still get a good shake and suffer the same damage. Hopefully POM is just getting up to speed with the quicker pace of the game and will improve with exposure.


  • Site Banned Posts: 5,346 ✭✭✭wixfjord


    Haven't seen this posted yet!
    Hilarious!




    Are they part of the choir or something?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,048 ✭✭✭Amazotheamazing


    So, after two rounds of the HEC, how's the rebuilding coming along?

    Imo, POM and Murray are beyond doubt starters but they are big talents, it's actually guys like Varley, Ryan, Ronan and Murphy who've been the difference. They are playing at a higher level than they managed last year. Ryan is particular is putting his hand up for Irish selection.

    Barnes has struggled and it's somewhat of a pity Keatley has had no gametime yet, he needs to be involved in big games but how can we take off O'Gara in the form he's in?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    With Ryan playing like he is, could DOC be in danger of losing his national squad place? Tuohy and Toner are playing great rugby and POC is still our best lock. It would feel strange to not have DOC in the national squad, but he has to be starting to keep his place surely?


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 31,765 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Touhy should already be ahead of DOC and with Ryan ahead of him at Munster it's hard to see where he'll fit in...


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,048 ✭✭✭Amazotheamazing


    With Ryan playing like he is, could DOC be in danger of losing his national squad place? Tuohy and Toner are playing great rugby and POC is still our best lock. It would feel strange to not have DOC in the national squad, but he has to be starting to keep his place surely?

    Hard to know, there's a lot of games between now and the 6 nations. I can see Cullen dropping off the bench though. A lot of the guys playing well like POM are playing well in positions we've got depth.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    Hard to know, there's a lot of games between now and the 6 nations. I can see Cullen dropping off the bench though. A lot of the guys playing well like POM are playing well in positions we've got depth.

    I think Cullen should be gone from the squad really. I'd have POC, Ryan, Tuohy and Toner myself. Also I think POM will be taking Leamy or Jennings' place.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,048 ✭✭✭Amazotheamazing


    I think Cullen should be gone from the squad really. I'd have POC, Ryan, Tuohy and Toner myself. Also I think POM will be taking Leamy or Jennings' place.

    Hard to know, I think Ulster's resurgence has been overstated tbh, not sure Touhy merits it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,699 ✭✭✭bamboozle


    So, after two rounds of the HEC, how's the rebuilding coming along?

    Imo, POM and Murray are beyond doubt starters but they are big talents, it's actually guys like Varley, Ryan, Ronan and Murphy who've been the difference. They are playing at a higher level than they managed last year. Ryan is particular is putting his hand up for Irish selection.

    Barnes has struggled and it's somewhat of a pity Keatley has had no gametime yet, he needs to be involved in big games but how can we take off O'Gara in the form he's in?

    situation with Ryan and DOC is ideal, both cannot afford the slightest drop in performance, hopefully we'll see a resurgance in DOC's form as a result.
    POM & Murray have been excellent in their 2 HC games, with further top level HC exposure they will only get better, plus alongside another ball carrier such as leamy or Wallace in back row and POM will further improve.

    Right now Barnes is not yet at HC pace, that isnt to say he wont be, but he's been exposed by the step up in class these last 2 games.

    Varley & Ronan have been very good, although Varley tends to give away silly penalties.
    with Chamber starting at 13 and Earls at 11 the Munster back line suddenly has a good cutting edge to it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,406 ✭✭✭✭justsomebloke


    ok same as last week can we try and keep this thread for Munster team talk etc there is an Ireland team talk thread which the current topic would be better suited to


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    Back to Munster, what does everyone think of Barne's position in the team? Should the management keep faith with him or drop him for Chambers who did very well when he came on?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,699 ✭✭✭bamboozle


    Back to Munster, what does everyone think of Barne's position in the team? Should the management keep faith with him or drop him for Chambers who did very well when he came on?

    drop, he's not ready yet, some more pro12 exposure will do him good.
    i actually thought he looked slow and too heavy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    He only turned 22 this month, so he's plenty of time to develop and improve alright.

    Having seen him up close at training, he looks a really small fella. I fear what a tank like Jauzion would do to him.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 607 ✭✭✭ed7890


    Back to Munster, what does everyone think of Barne's position in the team? Should the management keep faith with him or drop him for Chambers who did very well when he came on?

    Wouldn't complain about Chambers getting in ahead of him after a better showing at the weekend, but wouldn't go overboard on the criticism of Barnes.

    He had a bad game on Saturday, couldn't seem to hold onto the ball, and was rightly subbed, but I think people saying he's not ready for this level is a bit much. He was very good against Leinster 2 weeks ago, and I thought was good against Northampton the week before. Every young player has a bad game every now and then.

    He's not going set the backline alight, but he runs good supporting lines and I think he could work well outside Chambers if they gave that a go. He's very solid defensively, even at the weekend, I think it was Masoe he tackled at one stage and helped dump him into touch.

    I'd have Barnes start the next game and give Mafi a rest, a good Pro12 game to bring his confidence back up. Might go with Mafi/Chambers for the Scarlets game, but keep Barnes in the matchday squad and give him another HEC start before too long.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,048 ✭✭✭Amazotheamazing


    Back to Munster, what does everyone think of Barne's position in the team? Should the management keep faith with him or drop him for Chambers who did very well when he came on?

    I'd give him the next two pro12 games to see how he does. He needs more games to get used to the step up, imo.


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