OAP's and recession

jahalpin · 20-11-2011 10:32PM #1

I was getting the bus home from work the other day and saw a poster on one of the bus stops in Phibsboro regarding the changes to the bus routes in the area.

The OAP's are annoyed that they are being inconvenienced by the change and are threatening to take Dublin Bus to the European Court of Hunan Rights as they believe that their human rights have been violated by changing a couple of routes.

Do they not understand that the country (and most of the world) is in the grip of a major recession and the government has no money to pay for poorly used services, especially as a lot of the users are using free travel passes anyway?

I'm sure they'll be treatening to burn down Leinster House again if their benefits are touched in the forthcoming budget.

JustAddWater · 20-11-2011 10:35PM

jahalpin wrote: »

The OAP's are annoyed that they are being inconvenienced by the change and are threatening to take Dublin Bus to the European Court of Hunan Rights as they believe that their human rights have been violated

But what about OAPs in country who have NO bus service?

This is NOT a human rights issue it's an entitlement issue that a lot people seem to have inherited from the celtic tiger days

phasers · 20-11-2011 10:36PM

Old people are a load of selfish auld cnuts.

...and we'll all be the same when we're old, let's be honest.

corktina · 20-11-2011 10:42PM

I already am

trish23 · 20-11-2011 10:44PM

Leave them alone - they're the only ones in this country who have had the balls to do anything. Apparently there was a student march the other day? Very quiet it was. Nobody in this country is standing up to anyone. Remember the Grey March? Pensioners taking on the govt & they won, rightly so. They've seen it all before - Ireland in the 50's, 80's & they've been through enough crap. They've worked hard for what bit they have got & I'll back them (they're also the only ones with a few bob, the silver dollar

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smk89 · 20-11-2011 10:47PM

jahalpin wrote: »

Do they not understand that the country (and most of the world) is in the grip of a major recession and the government has no money to pay for poorly used services, especially as a lot of the users are using free travel passes anyway?

Most old people go on about how a mars bar used to cost 5d with no understanding of inflation or that it is proportionally cheaper nowadays. So no, they have no knowledge of economics.

Chuck Stone · 20-11-2011 10:51PM

Old people are responsible for the mess we're in.

Fuck 'em.

LighterGuy · 20-11-2011 10:52PM

jahalpin wrote: »

The OAP's are annoyed that they are being inconvenienced by the change and are threatening to take Dublin Bus to the European Court of Hunan Rights as they believe that their human rights have been violated by changing a couple of routes.

Bring Dublin Bus to the european human rights court over the change of a few routes? ... ridiculous statement by them. Get with the times I say. Old gits.

Oh_Noes · 20-11-2011 10:52PM

JustAddWater wrote: »

This is NOT a human rights issue it's an entitlement issue that a lot people seem to have inherited from the celtic tiger days

They've inherited the expectation that the taxes they've paid will be used to pay for public services?

jahalpin · 20-11-2011 10:53PM

trish23 wrote: »

Leave them alone - they're the only ones in this country who have had the balls to do anything. Apparently there was a student march the other day? Very quiet it was. Nobody in this country is standing up to anyone. Remember the Grey March? Pensioners taking on the govt & they won, rightly so. They've seen it all before - Ireland in the 50's, 80's & they've been through enough crap. They've worked hard for what bit they have got & I'll back them (they're also the only ones with a few bob, the silver dollar )

Most non-pensioners have have reductions in their standard of living due to the recession, it's only fair that OAP's should shoulder some of the burden.

The pensioners were quite vicious during the marches and they unwilling to concide anything. They are also really the only group that has time to march these days

What can people really object to? The country borrowed loads of money to pay for the day to day (inc pensions and medical costs of OAPs) running of the country and this money must now be paid back. The government are not cutting back for kicks, they don't have the money and aren't in a position to borrow much more.

An aging population is also part of the overall problem , ie the cost of providing medical cover for older people is very expensive and the health budget is a very high percentage of the overall budget

The cost of providing pensions to people is also very high.

aujopimur · 20-11-2011 10:53PM

It's OAPs that are keeping buses on most routes, no free travel = no need for buses.

Coriolanus · 20-11-2011 10:55PM

Put em to work I say. Few years of breaking rocks left in most of them I reckon.

chasm · 20-11-2011 10:56PM

jahalpin wrote: »

Do they not understand that the country (and most of the world) is in the grip of a major recession and the government has no money to pay for...........

You can use that in reply to any thread on here where people are moaning about cuts, college fees, social welfare, child benefit . . .

Redlion · 20-11-2011 10:57PM

Sure my granddad complains about paying a couple of euro for his prescription that probably costs in the region of a few hundred euro without a medical card.

Quiet down man...THEY'RE KEEPING YA ALIVE!!

trish23 · 20-11-2011 11:26PM

jahalpin wrote: »

The pensioners were quite vicious during the marches and they unwilling to concide anything. They are also really the only group that has time to march these days
The cost of providing pensions to people is also very high.

Vicious? I don't think so. Nobody got hurt as far as I know but they certainly stated their case. As for 'they're the only group that have the time', are you serious? Since when do you stand up for what you believe in when you have the time ? They are the only group that believe that they can change things & I admire that sense of determination. I think it puts the young generation to shame. We've learned to accept everything & question nothing.

Scruffles · 20-11-2011 11:34PM

perhaps some of them at least are peed off with the changes as they are [by fact] more likely to have mobility issues making it harder for them to walk further,if bus routes are removed they can potentialy be taking away a lot of peoples independance,having no near transport can make impaired/disabled people housebound.

-not all OAPs have mobility difficulties but it is a progressive effect of age [its why they do not get mobility benefit with their version of disability allowance over here],so just a thought anyway.

what exactly is the cause of the route changes?
if its something like driver and passenger safety,that shoud always come first,one of dads mates is a bus driver in the RoI and with his old company,he was going through some of the roughest estates; he had regular inbreds jumping on without paying; threatening him with weapons if he fought back,he often had the bus shot at as well,no driver shoud have to put up with that ****.

jahalpin · 20-11-2011 11:46PM

aujopimur wrote: »

It's OAPs that are keeping buses on most routes, no free travel = no need for buses.

That's probably not correct as the buses are fairly full with people going to work\college in the morning peak and going home again in the evening peak

The off-peak buses aren't as busy but there are a still a high percentage of paying passengers on them

The country can no longer afford to pay for so many people using free travel passes and so off-peak services have had to be cut

Very few routes were cut completely without a similar route being put in place. The prime example of this is the 9/19/83 on the northside. The 19A was withdrawn but much of its route was taken over by a modified 83 route. Most of the withdrawn 19 route was replace with a new route 9

the groutch · 20-11-2011 11:58PM

it's this sense of automatic entitlement that has brought the country to it's knees

John Doe1 · 20-11-2011 11:59PM

bunch of auld whingbags

OAP's and recession

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