The Death of Common Sense....

El Weirdo · 20-11-2011 04:49PM

paddyandy wrote: »

COMMON SENSE has to combat a flight from reality in western societies and the names from older ideas are frequently hijacked to disguise nonsense.Names on menus shop fronts
., names to describe behaviour,names that prompt an idea like "ice cream sandwich" for a phone and thousands of lie words.A fight on the street is now an "altercation"Where are we going at all ? People simple don't like reality and we spend a lot of our time in another type of world.Get on a bus and many have phones wired to their ears or stuck in a mag. or book.How much time do you spend in the real world????????????

You do realise that Ice Cream Sandwich is just a codename for a version of the Android OS? It's not an actual phone.

I really don't see why you have a problem with this.

Nodin · 20-11-2011 04:50PM

paddyandy wrote: »

.........Get on a bus and many have phones wired to their ears or stuck in a mag. or book.How much time do you spend in the real world????????????

Dear Jesus...people READING?????!!!!???? The collapse of society is imminent!!!

El Weirdo · 20-11-2011 04:51PM

Also:

paddyandy wrote: »

How much time do you spend in the real world????????????

He says on an internet forum.

paddyandy · 20-11-2011 04:56PM

El Weirdo wrote: »

You do realise that Ice Cream Sandwich is just a codename for a version of the Android OS? It's not an actual phone.

I really don't see why you have a problem with this.

There is always an excuse but never a reason.

mackg · 20-11-2011 04:57PM

@Dudess

Common Sense lost ground when parents attacked teachers for doing the job that they themselves had failed to do in disciplining their unruly children.

It declined even further when schools were required to get parental consent to administer sun lotion or an aspirin to a student; but could not inform parents when a student became pregnant and wanted to have an abortion.

Common Sense lost the will to live as the churches became businesses; and criminals received better treatment than their victims.

Common Sense took a beating when you couldn't defend yourself from a burglar in your own home and the burglar could sue you for assault.

Common Sense finally gave up the will to live, after a woman failed to
realize that a steaming cup of coffee was hot. She spilled a little in her
lap, and was promptly awarded a huge settlement.

The stuff in bold is true.

The stuff in italics is believable.

The stuff underlined is debatable.

Other stuff sounds a little far fetched, but to say "most of the stuff is no doubt bull shit" is wrong.

I don't disagree with your views on the subject on the whole but the OP's examples were not completely fabricated.

paddyandy · 20-11-2011 04:58PM

El Weirdo wrote: »

Also:

He says on an internet forum.

Some where better?

mackg · 20-11-2011 04:59PM

El Weirdo wrote: »

You do realise that Ice Cream Sandwich is just a codename for a version of the Android OS? It's not an actual phone.

I really don't see why you have a problem with this.

The real problem is the jedward phone.

paddyandy · 20-11-2011 05:01PM

Deceit has now got acceptance and respectability too!

Dudess · 20-11-2011 05:03PM

paddyandy wrote: »

Deceit has now got acceptance and respectability too!

In what sense? The days of old weren't as wonderful as your rose-tinted specs tell you they were. Seems like you just resent younger people having more than you had.

Mike 1972 · 20-11-2011 05:03PM

hooli07 wrote: »

If you still remember him, pass this on.

Oh for crysakes is this one still doing the rounds :rolleyes:

krudler · 20-11-2011 05:07PM

I work with the public every day, common sense is rare than unicorn sh1te these days.

Dudess · 20-11-2011 05:09PM

krudler wrote: »

I work with the public every day, common sense is rare than unicorn sh1te these days.

True - the inflated sense of entitlement and lack of personal responsibility is mind-blowing, but I'm not convinced this is a new phenomenon.

krudler · 20-11-2011 05:14PM

Dudess wrote: »

True - the inflated sense of entitlement and lack of personal responsibility is mind-blowing, but I'm not convinced this is a new phenomenon.

definitely not, lack of accountability is rampant these days, people who complain they've been cut off for not paying a bill for 5 months is staggering to me, we provide a service, you havent paid for it ergo you dont get it until you do, simples. welcome to real life where you're accountable for your own actions.

the one I love is this, I hear it at least a dozen times a week. someone who has a 4-500 euro bill, and wants to pay a tenner a week on it cos they're on the dole. errr, right, you're on the dole and still run up a 500 quid bill you know you cant pay, yet still expect to get a service you havent paid for and run up MORE bills putting yourself into more debt, genius.

desertcircus · 20-11-2011 05:45PM

hooli07 wrote: »

Common Sense finally gave up the will to live, after a woman failed to
realize that a steaming cup of coffee was hot. She spilled a little in her
lap, and was promptly awarded a huge settlement.

This is complete garbage. The woman in question did not fail to realise that a steaming cup of coffee was hot, she failed to realise that the coffee she'd bought from McDonalds was served at 85 degrees centigrade instead of the more usual 60 degrees - a temperature coffee shops will usually provide only on specific request. She did not spill a little in her lap; she had third degree burns over six percent of her body (including her genitals) and had to get skin grafts. She was not promptly awarded a huge settlement; she was willing to settle for $20,000, which McDonalds refused, and ended up getting $640,000 (out of which came the cost of those skin grafts. Subsequent investigation of the McDonalds in question revealed that they had reduced the temperature of their coffee to 70 degrees C.

This isn't a story about a greedy jerk who made a fortune out of a legal loophole - this is about a seventy-nine-year old woman who was served a dangerously hot cup of coffee that burned the skin off her genitals and six percent of her entire body, and was ignored when she offered to settle for $20k. You might not agree with how the case went, but it's nothing to do with common sense.

Dudess · 20-11-2011 05:52PM

Haha, I knew there had to be more to that story!

Whenever someone uses the phrase "a bit of" to put forward a fallacious argument, you can be pretty certain the truth is actually "a lot of". :pac:

tbh · 20-11-2011 06:08PM

desertcircus wrote: »

This is complete garbage. The woman in question did not fail to realise that a steaming cup of coffee was hot, she failed to realise that the coffee she'd bought from McDonalds was served at 85 degrees centigrade instead of the more usual 60 degrees - a temperature coffee shops will usually provide only on specific request. She did not spill a little in her lap; she had third degree burns over six percent of her body (including her genitals) and had to get skin grafts. She was not promptly awarded a huge settlement; she was willing to settle for $20,000, which McDonalds refused, and ended up getting $640,000 (out of which came the cost of those skin grafts. Subsequent investigation of the McDonalds in question revealed that they had reduced the temperature of their coffee to 70 degrees C.

This isn't a story about a greedy jerk who made a fortune out of a legal loophole - this is about a seventy-nine-year old woman who was served a dangerously hot cup of coffee that burned the skin off her genitals and six percent of her entire body, and was ignored when she offered to settle for $20k. You might not agree with how the case went, but it's nothing to do with common sense.

I was just coming on to say exactly that, except you said it better.
Another thing about that case is that it was the last in a line of an estimated seven HUNDRED cases taken against McDonalds involving injuries caused by their coffee. It was last in line because it generated so much publicity and forced McDs to do what they should have done after the first case.

And that's what health & safety is all about. Of course it goes too far sometimes, but the majority of "health and safety gone mad" stories that you hear about are huge exaggerations that don't stand up when you examine the actual facts - something most people are too lazy to do.

The reality is that H&S forces companies to spend money on things that they otherwise wouldn't. If you don't believe me, have a look at the poor fcukers in India, cleaning windows on skyscrapers hanging off crap scaffolding with no protective equipment.

Oh and by the way, no way an op as poorly written as that would ever make it into the times, it wouldn't even make it into the Herald. The fact that whoever wrote it has to pretend that it did appear in the times to lend it credibility should tell you everything you need to know about the content of it.

desertcircus · 20-11-2011 06:14PM

Gah, the more I look at this the angrier I get. It's filled with nonsense.

hooli07 wrote: »

Reports of a 6-year-old boy charged with sexual harassment for kissing a
classmate; teens suspended from school for using mouthwash after lunch; and a teacher fired for reprimanding an unruly student, only worsened his
condition.

Common Sense lost ground when parents attacked teachers for doing the job that they themselves had failed to do in disciplining their unruly children.

It declined even further when schools were required to get parental consent to administer sun lotion or an aspirin to a student; but could not inform parents when a student became pregnant and wanted to have an abortion.

Common Sense lost the will to live as the churches became businesses; and criminals received better treatment than their victims.

Common Sense took a beating when you couldn't defend yourself from a burglar in your own home and the burglar could sue you for assault.

Common Sense finally gave up the will to live, after a woman failed to
realize that a steaming cup of coffee was hot. She spilled a little in her
lap, and was promptly awarded a huge settlement.

In order:

1. Six-year-old boy suspended for kissing a classmate? Cannot find mention of where this happens - there are repeated reference to it in a story about a different child suspended for sexual harassment, but that particular case ended in the family being awarded a six-figure sum, so clearly the system works reasonably well to correct such things.

2. Kid suspended for using mouthwash? The school had previously expressed concern and had a zero-tolerance policy on alcohol, and the student in question had been boasting about how he was going to get drunk on mouthwash.

3. Literally the only hit on Google for "teacher fired reprimanding student" is links to various forms of this letter. I don't actually know what this refers to...

Dudess · 20-11-2011 06:20PM

A six-year-old boy was not suspended for sexual harassment in any rational society. Maybe in some basket-case dictatorship or fundamentalist society.

The fact that some folks just accept this stuff and don't bother questioning it... yeah I guess that kinda does indicate common sense is lacking...

krudler · 20-11-2011 06:35PM

paddyandy wrote: »

There is always an excuse but never a reason.

there isnt really a reason apple name their osx software stuff like lion or snow leopard, they're just names. android gingerbread and ice cream sandwich are just fun names for an operating system.

Coriolanus · 20-11-2011 06:38PM

Mmm, copypasta with the Sunday roast.

billybudd · 20-11-2011 06:46PM

I am the bastard son of common sense now kneel before me as it is my right. alive and well 20/11/2011 Dublin,Eire.

tbh · 20-11-2011 07:15PM

paddyandy wrote: »

There is always an excuse but never a reason.

Not knowing what the reason is, and there not being a reason are two very different things. Arrogance causes people to confuse the two.

paddyandy · 21-11-2011 12:19AM

krudler wrote: »

there isnt really a reason apple name their osx software stuff like lion or snow leopard, they're just names. android gingerbread and ice cream sandwich are just fun names for an operating system.

Why not call osx sosk would'nt that be easier?.....of course not.Because imagery plays a huge part in selling a product and must have tentative meaning. Snow Leapord suggests daring and viciousness in an age obsessed with a facination with evil......It sells and it's not an innocent use of words.
OSX AS SOSX LIKE SOCKS MUCH BRIEFER and very easy to remember.THEY ARE NOT FUN NAMES.

paddyandy · 21-11-2011 12:23AM

tbh wrote: »

Not knowing what the reason is, and there not being a reason are two very different things. Arrogance causes people to confuse the two.

i understood that a long time ago...this age does'nt or this time in history does'nt know it's own name.

mackg · 21-11-2011 12:25AM

desertcircus wrote: »

This is complete garbage. The woman in question did not fail to realise that a steaming cup of coffee was hot, she failed to realise that the coffee she'd bought from McDonalds was served at 85 degrees centigrade instead of the more usual 60 degrees - a temperature coffee shops will usually provide only on specific request. She did not spill a little in her lap; she had third degree burns over six percent of her body (including her genitals) and had to get skin grafts. She was not promptly awarded a huge settlement; she was willing to settle for $20,000, which McDonalds refused, and ended up getting $640,000 (out of which came the cost of those skin grafts. Subsequent investigation of the McDonalds in question revealed that they had reduced the temperature of their coffee to 70 degrees C.

This isn't a story about a greedy jerk who made a fortune out of a legal loophole - this is about a seventy-nine-year old woman who was served a dangerously hot cup of coffee that burned the skin off her genitals and six percent of her entire body, and was ignored when she offered to settle for $20k. You might not agree with how the case went, but it's nothing to do with common sense.

Wow, I never heard that version of it before did some reading about the case there and even McDonalds own safety officer advised against selling the coffee at that temperature. Thanks for clarifying.

Dudess wrote: »

A six-year-old boy was not suspended for sexual harassment in any rational society. Maybe in some basket-case dictatorship or fundamentalist society.

The fact that some folks just accept this stuff and don't bother questioning it... yeah I guess that kinda does indicate common sense is lacking...

I don't think anyone believed that one tbf.

Absurdum · 21-11-2011 12:31AM

hooli07 wrote: »

An Obituary ..

**** yeah, rest of post looked boring

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE34z7uVjSM

krudler · 21-11-2011 04:23AM

paddyandy wrote: »

Why not call osx sosk would'nt that be easier?.....of course not.Because imagery plays a huge part in selling a product and must have tentative meaning. Snow Leapord suggests daring and viciousness in an age obsessed with a facination with evil......It sells and it's not an innocent use of words.
OSX AS SOSX LIKE SOCKS MUCH BRIEFER and very easy to remember.THEY ARE NOT FUN NAMES.

errrr, hows that tinfoil hat fitting you? I could explain what OSX actually stands for but its funnier watching you make hysterically ignorant claims like on the mobile phones forum, carry on.

Kanoe · 21-11-2011 04:30AM

*mumbles some crap about common sense

shannon_tek · 21-11-2011 04:38AM

Good bye hero u were a legend in ur time. U saved many a life and left noone harmed and saw that justice was served to those who sought it. If only we could turn the clock and make people see the mistakes they are making.

skregs · 21-11-2011 05:01AM

paddyandy wrote: »

Why not call osx sosk would'nt that be easier?.....of course not.Because imagery plays a huge part in selling a product and must have tentative meaning. Snow Leapord suggests daring and viciousness in an age obsessed with a facination with evil......It sells and it's not an innocent use of words.
OSX AS SOSX LIKE SOCKS MUCH BRIEFER and very easy to remember.THEY ARE NOT FUN NAMES.

Why don't Apple call their OS something simple, like Operating System? That would be common sense.
And then when they made a new operating system they could just call it Operating System 2.
But since Operating System 2 is way too long, if they had common sense they'd call it OS 2.

But when they make 8 more operating systems and get to OS 10, common sense says they should shorten those double figures to an easier roman X, for ten.

So if they had any sense at all, when they were naming OS X, they should have called it OS X.

The Death of Common Sense....

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