simple poll for the Atheists

pacquiao · 20-11-2011 02:41AM #1

would love to see what you think

Dinner · 20-11-2011 02:55AM

In what sense? Genetically? Socially? Mentally? What?

I'm sure there are some minor genetic differences, I remember reading sometime about how some races are more prone to some medical conditions that others. But there's no major difference that I can see.

pacquiao · 20-11-2011 03:12AM

It's up to you really.

smk89 · 20-11-2011 03:13AM

Genetically: Alot considering one gene is the difference between a diseases and health, but were all still share 50% of our genes with bananas (arguably more in some people).
Socially and mentally, I don't know I haven't got to know many other races well but from the ones I have seen alot of diversity.

saa · 20-11-2011 03:21AM

Anything you perceive to be different are so miniscule they are of no relevance, especially not to say vast in any way possible!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIYT9nQUpoY

Doctor DooM · 20-11-2011 03:21AM

Well, I think really everyone on the planet is formally part of the same "race" as there's no sub species of human recognised, so I'd say no right now.

If you were to use skin colour as a basis I'd still say no as I'm pretty sure you could find individuals of different skin colour who behave the same but few which run through every individual of the type.

Same goes for nationality.

yawha · 20-11-2011 03:25AM

To the extent that it's possible to have an opinion on: no.

In terms of general, objective differences, of course. There is a pretty vast range of different skin colours and physical features. I'm sure that some genes can generally be correlated with skin colour too, although nothing is absolute.

Certainly not to the extent that people can be classified as lesser or better than others though.

aidan24326 · 20-11-2011 03:25AM

Modern molecular genetic snalysis apparently shows that human evolution went through a bottleneck* some tens of thousands of years ago, meaning that there's less genetic diversity now than there otherwise might have been.

*near-extinction event

pacquiao · 20-11-2011 03:26AM

Most people voted there are no vast differences so let me ask you this.
Why do you criticize Christians and Muslims for not believing in evolution?

Dr. Loon · 20-11-2011 03:29AM

pacquiao wrote: »

Most people voted there are no vast differences so let me ask you this.
Why do you criticize Christians and Muslims for not believing in evolution?

Ya what now? I don't get your angle. To answer your question. Evolution is a fact. Not believing in facts is very silly.

saa · 20-11-2011 03:30AM

and heres another Atheist talking about the concept of race, why does this always fall on the atheist's shoulders to go against those who apply value to race through differentiation.
Trolling me thinks but hey I've enjoyed going through these videos again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7eW27m9bio

pacquiao · 20-11-2011 03:33AM

Dr. Loon wrote: »

Ya what now? I don't get your angle. To answer your question. Evolution is a fact. Not believing in facts is very silly.

If evolution is fact. How can you say there are no vast differences between races?

psychward · 20-11-2011 03:43AM

There are always differences between individuals regardless of race. How is this relevant to ones chosen philosophical outlook ?

Define ''vast'' so I know what to vote about and define ''race'' so I know who to compare with whom and then I can vote on the poll .

AlmightyCushion · 20-11-2011 03:44AM

pacquiao wrote: »

If evolution is fact. How can you say there are no vast differences between races?

Because each race is made up of billions of people. All or most in that race may share some characteristics that define that race (for example skin colour) but there are tonnes of other characteristics that differentiate those people from others both in their race and outside of their race. For example if you take balck people and white people as separate races. The thing that differentiates the two is skin colour. That's it, there are no other vast differences that separate these two races. But the people that make up these races can be fat, skinny, smart, stupid, athletic, lazy, bald, hairy, short, tall etc. etc. So the vast differences come from the differences in the individuals not the race the individuals belong too.

strobe · 20-11-2011 04:34AM

pacquiao wrote: »

Most people voted there are no vast differences so let me ask you this.
Why do you criticize Christians and Muslims for not believing in evolution?

pacquiao wrote: »

If evolution is fact. How can you say there are no vast differences between races?

lol. Oh sweet Jesus... that's where you were trying to go with this?

Man... just, no like. No. I had such high hopes.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and presume that you are currently riddled with intoxicants, due to the fact that it is in the small hours of Saturday night and you took a few tries to do a proper poll. But if I am mistaken. If you decided to go all 'this will be a stupidly blunt way to deny evolution' whilst sober and in full control of all your faculties... Well, no man. Just no.

There is a 'boo evolution' guy on here that flies by the moniker of 'JC'. He's basically famous round these parts. If he was reading your gimpy attempt at this it would pain him... physically pain him, with it's clumsiness.

No man, just no. Stick to the boxing and Filipino politics.

Just no...

Daftendirekt · 20-11-2011 06:16AM

Why would evolution lead you to expect there to be vast differences between races?

Even the obvious physical differences aren't even close to being 'vast'...

RebelBOK · 20-11-2011 06:54AM

Daftendirekt wrote: »

Why would evolution lead you to expect there to be vast differences between races?

Was asking myself the exact same question!

fisgon · 20-11-2011 09:24AM

This poll is a pathetic set-up. It's clearly designed to provide 'ammunition' for some spurious argument against evolution, which doesn't hold any water at all. Give me a break. The next time this guy wants to put up a poll I think the mods need to get involved.

This is a troll poll.

Doctor DooM · 20-11-2011 10:18AM

To be fair to the OP, sometimes I read a post here that makes me wonder if evolution ever happened too.

Arcus Arrow · 20-11-2011 10:21AM

pacquiao wrote: »

If evolution is fact. How can you say there are no vast differences between races?

......between species you mean. Buy a book, look at the pictures. The Magic of Reality is on sale in Easons for €20.00.

ShooterSF · 20-11-2011 11:42AM

You know I had a pretty longish reply planned out in my head last night but then thought feck it and went back to watching classic simpsons. So proud of that decision I had to share it.

MagicMarker · 20-11-2011 12:01PM

pacquiao wrote: »

If evolution is fact. How can you say there are no vast differences between races?

Ellis Dee · 20-11-2011 12:11PM

I fail to see what atheism has to do with it , but there are obviously considerable differences between people of different nationalities, ethnicities, language backgrounds, and so on. However, and this is one of the first things drummed into the head of anyone who studies anthropology at university, there is actually only one human race.:)

Doctor DooM · 20-11-2011 12:24PM

Ellis Dee wrote: »

I fail to see what atheism has to do with it , but there are obviously considerable differences between people of different nationalities, ethnicities, language backgrounds, and so on. However, and this is one of the first things drummed into the head of anyone who studies anthropology at university, there is actually only one human race.:)

It's nothing to do with atheism at all, it's just a rather bad creationist argument and they usually have trouble accepting evolution/ the start of the universe/abiogenesis/atheism are different things to everyone but them.

pacquiao · 20-11-2011 01:00PM

You can cry troll all you like , that is what i expected from some of you. I'm far from a troll,bail out of the discussion that's fine.
Personally I'm non religious and i believe in evolution. After looking at the results of the poll i have to say I'm a bit confused.
I didn't expect there to be a massive number of people denying evolution and it's effects on the various races of people. Take the Chinese for example. If i'm allowed to generalise, they are on average smaller than Europeans. Why is that?

Daftendirekt wrote:

Why would evolution lead you to expect there to be vast differences between races?

Even the obvious physical differences aren't even close to being 'vast'...

Well if you deny there is vast differences, then you are not an atheist at all. That's the whole point of this poll and thread. I wanted to see how many people are calling themselves atheists. In case someone asks I know you can believe in evolution and not be an atheist.Anyway I just feel there has been an explosion of people calling themselves atheists without thinking it through.

GLaDOS · 20-11-2011 01:05PM

The differences between white people and black people are nearly indistinguishable when compared compared to the differences between humans and lizards, bacteria and ferns.

Our DNA is still close enough to produce healthy offspring capable of reproduction, the differences are superficial really.

kylith · 20-11-2011 01:05PM

I don't think there are many differences between races of people. Whether it's an atheist nuclear physicist living in Manhattan or an animist goatherd in a village in Africa people are essentially the same. Everyone wants enough food to eat, somewhere safe to live, to be happy, to have healthy children, and for tomorrow to be pretty much the same as today.

Ellis Dee · 20-11-2011 01:10PM

pacquiao wrote: »

Take the Chinese for example. If i'm allowed to generalise, they are on average smaller than Europeans. Why is that?

Go to any stately home in England and look at the suits of armour on display. They are only a few centuries old - the blink of an eye in terms of evolution - but few men taller than 5' 3" would fit into one. It is only in the past couple of centuries, with greatly improved diets, that people in this part of the world have grown taller. I suppose the same will happen in China if their economic growth continues and their diet becomes richer.

MagicMarker · 20-11-2011 01:10PM

pacquiao wrote: »

Personally I'm non religious and i believe in evolution. After looking at the results of the poll i have to say I'm a bit confused. I didn't expect there to be a massive number of people denying evolution and it's effects on the various races of people. Take the Chinese for example. If i'm allowed to generalise, they are on average smaller than Europeans. Why is that?

How are people denying evolution?

Chinese people are smaller on average because of differences in diet.

pacquiao wrote: »

Well if you deny there is vast differences, then you are not an atheist at all. That's the whole point of this poll and thread. I wanted to see how many people are calling themselves atheists. There has been an explosion pardon the pun of people calling themselves atheists without thinking it through.

You need to define ''vast differences'', you're poll is completely ambiguous. To you one race being shorter on average than another is a ''vast difference'', obviously not everyone agrees.

kylith · 20-11-2011 01:19PM

pacquiao wrote: »

Personally I'm non religious and i believe in evolution. After looking at the results of the poll i have to say I'm a bit confused.
I didn't expect there to be a massive number of people denying evolution and it's effects on the various races of people. Take the Chinese for example. If i'm allowed to generalise, they are on average smaller than Europeans. Why is that?

If that's the kind of thing you're talking about it's like saying that a brick wall isn't a brick wall because it's had a coat of paint put on. The differences between Europeans, Africans and Asians in species terms are miniscule; no more than the evolutionary equivelant of a coat of paint.

My cousin is quite small, does that mean that there are vast evolutionary differences between me and her? No. My mother has darker hair than me, are we evolutionarily dissimilar? Like hell we are.

Well if you deny there is vast differences, then you are not an atheist at all. That's the whole point of this poll and thread. I wanted to see how many people are calling themselves atheists. In case someone asks I know you can believe in evolution and not be an atheist.Anyway I just feel there has been an explosion of people calling themselves atheists without thinking it through.

Being an atheist has nothing to do with your beliefs on evolution. Atheism is about not believing in gods. It's perfectly possible to be an atheist and believe that humans sprung fully formed from flowers, for example.

Saying that someone isn't an atheist because they recognise that, barring minor differences in height or colour, humans are all the bloody same is one of the stupidest things I've ever come across.

If there were genetic gulfs then my Chinese friend wouldn't have been able to conceive a child with his Irish girlfriend, which they did, or that the child would have genetic problems due to the parents being genetically incompatable, which it didn't.

pacquiao · 20-11-2011 01:21PM

MagicMarker wrote: »

How are people denying evolution?

Chinese people are smaller on average because of differences in diet.

You need to define ''vast differences'', you're poll is completely ambiguous. To you one race being shorter on average than another is a ''vast difference'', obviously not everyone agrees.

Have you ever heard of the the pygmies? There average height is around 4 foot 10 inches. Would you not call that a vast difference compared to the average person living in say Holland.

simple poll for the Atheists

There are vast differences between different races of people 22 votes

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