Berlin get to see our Budget first ?

amacachi · 17-11-2011 04:58PM

twinytwo wrote: »

id like also to thank all those who voted yes to lisbon, after all those of us who voted no were morons?? right??.

We handed away what little power we had on the back of promises from those in governemt... oh the irony.

Our own government would sell us up the river if it suited them, not a sack between the lot of them.

If you (or hell, even those who thanked your posts) could go ahead and post the relevant part of the treaty that would be super awesome!

TheZohanS · 17-11-2011 05:01PM

amacachi wrote: »

If you (or hell, even those who thanked your posts) could go ahead and post the relevant part of the treaty that would be super awesome!

Here.

twinytwo · 17-11-2011 05:01PM

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Their silence is deafening isn't it? Mindless, unthinking sheep who blindly followed the bullshít verbal ejaculations of our idiot politicians.

Year after year of the same drivel coming from everyone of them. id actually like to know how many election promises were actually kept in the last 10 years....

i always remember that bogger healy rae with his " im an honest hard working politican"....

bbbhhhhhaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaa

mongoman · 17-11-2011 05:01PM

ThinkAboutIt wrote: »

If we were paying we wouldn't need a BAILOUT from GERMANY. Just accept it, we cannot control ourselves now, we had the chance and blew it. It is what it is.

This is the type of gombeenism thinking that voted Yes to Lisbon, but when you read such dellusion what hope have we?

My name is URL · 17-11-2011 05:02PM

I wonder if the next treaty will be passed..

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/8885498/EU-turmoil-revives-calls-for-referendum.html

twinytwo · 17-11-2011 05:02PM

amacachi wrote: »

If you (or hell, even those who thanked your posts) could go ahead and post the relevant part of the treaty that would be super awesome!

Maybe im missing the point of your post,:o are you asking me to point out what i thought was good? or are u saying that it wouldnt suit everyone?

17-11-2011 05:03PM

Well. At least we'll have less of those damn Jews.

amacachi · 17-11-2011 05:03PM

Biggins wrote: »

I like others, kept mentioning "dozing sheep" or words to that effect during the two European referendums and got ridiculed for it.
Amazing how those that were so vocal them, are silent now. Guess they must have crawled back under their rocks to hide!

Nah I'm fairly sure most still say they voted in favour. I'm also loving the revisionism that people on boards were the type who said the bubble wouldn't burst. A quick look through the Accomodation and Property or the Economics forum shows that plenty said it could happen while mainstream economists said otherwise.

amacachi · 17-11-2011 05:05PM

twinytwo wrote: »

Maybe im missing the point of your post,:o i voted no both times

You implied that somehow voting in favour of the Lisbon Treaty led to where we are now. How? Enlighten us because I'm obviously just one of the sheeple who can't think for myself so it'd be just dandy if you could go ahead and tell me what the Lisbon Treaty has to do with any of this.

twinytwo · 17-11-2011 05:05PM

My name is URL wrote: »

I wonder if the next treaty will be passed..

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/8885498/EU-turmoil-revives-calls-for-referendum.html

give the eu more power to do what they want.... i refuse to believe that the people in this country are that slow.... they couldnt honestly vote yes could they?

Morlar · 17-11-2011 05:06PM

My name is URL wrote: »

I wonder if the next treaty will be passed..

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/8885498/EU-turmoil-revives-calls-for-referendum.html

I'd say No. That's why they will find some sort of an excuse to avoid giving us a refferendum on any upcoming treaty changes. Either that, or resort to the level of economic scaremongering they resorted to the last time round in Lisbon#2.

twinytwo · 17-11-2011 05:08PM

amacachi wrote: »

You implied that somehow voting in favour of the Lisbon Treaty led to where we are now. How? Enlighten us because I'm obviously just one of the sheeple who can't think for myself so it'd be just dandy if you could go ahead and tell me what the Lisbon Treaty has to do with any of this.

it was more to do with handing away power, considering owe government does what suits them rather than whats best for the people, than they actual treaty itself.

Wertz · 17-11-2011 05:10PM

lol 2%? Wave good bye to another swathe of retail jobs then.

There's fuel up by 10 cent a litre next month by the time you allow for carbon levy and extra VAT.

ShooterSF · 17-11-2011 05:11PM

Can someone explain why no party ever thinks to try increasing income tax and lowering VAT? People would have less in their pockets but still be able to buy as much and would spend it in Ireland and our online stores could become ultra competitive.

amacachi · 17-11-2011 05:14PM

twinytwo wrote: »

it was more to do with handing away power, considering owe government does what suits them rather than whats best for the people, than they actual treaty itself.

What power did we hand over in that treaty that affects what's happened?

twinytwo · 17-11-2011 05:15PM

amacachi wrote: »

What power did we hand over in that treaty that affects what's happened?

its has nothing to do with the past, it will however have a massive affect on the future.

mikom · 17-11-2011 05:15PM

Wertz wrote: »

lol 2%? Wave good bye to another swathe of retail jobs then.

There's fuel up by 10 cent a litre next month by the time you allow for carbon levy and extra VAT.

The vat rate hike will also affect road tolls and parking charges.
This country is going nowhere.

amacachi · 17-11-2011 05:17PM

twinytwo wrote: »

its has nothing to do with the past, it will however have a massive affect on the future.

So it was an accidental implication on your part that sheeple like me voting in favour of Lisbon had something to do with what's happened so far and that so far it's actually a complete irrelevance? Glad we cleared that up.

ArmaniJeanss · 17-11-2011 05:18PM

Morlar wrote: »

Each time all the boards.ie experts lined up around the block to pronounce the ridiculousness of those views.

Biggins wrote: »

I remember it well!
Where are they now!

This is really some ridiculous drivel there.

Boards politics forum, the old Economics forum and the Accomodation & Property was an absolute oasis of sanity in the sea of investment property supplements and tv programs in the media, and 'get on the ladder before its too late' rubbish down the local pub.

Whilst there were definitely some 'the boom is getting boomier' posters, the majority of the well written posts were bearish in nature - it was through boards.ie that I learned how about the relationship between rent and purchase price, about how prices here compared to those in other European Capitals, about the history of property bubbles in London and Tokyo, about bubbles as far back in the 18th century.

Those forums definitely saved me from some bad investment decisions - its garbage to suddenly claim that everyone on politics, economics etc was a fanboy of the boom.

twinytwo · 17-11-2011 05:24PM

amacachi wrote: »

So it was an accidental implication on your part that sheeple like me voting in favour of Lisbon had something to do with what's happened so far and that so far it's actually a complete irrelevance? Glad we cleared that up.

panties in a twist much?

When did i mention anything about the lisbon treaty being the cause of the problems?

I did mention about us handing away what little power we had... which will affect us in the future, because like i said there are no honest men in power.

But sure twist it whatever way you want.

Biggins · 17-11-2011 05:26PM

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

...its garbage to suddenly claim that everyone on politics, economics etc was a fanboy of the boom.

Who said "everyone" ???

amacachi · 17-11-2011 05:30PM

twinytwo wrote: »

panties in a twist much?

When did i mention anything about the lisbon treaty being the cause of the problems?

I did mention about us handing away what little power we had... which will affect us in the future, because like i said there are no honest men in power.

But sure twist it whatever way you want.

As I said, Lisbon has nothing whatsoever to do with the current predicament so why bring it up? It also has nothing to do with how we handle this. If there was a genuine desire in this country to close the 40% deficit overnight we would've defaulted by now. I find it funny how it's those who would lose most in a default are often most in favour of it. I'm in favour of one because I'm young and haven't really gotten started yet. To people with kids and so on I find it completely laughable when they start complaining.

fenris · 17-11-2011 05:30PM

You know the special "everyone" that is kind of like "they" that helps people to avoid facing up to their own decisions or prejudices? - that one!

cherryghost · 17-11-2011 05:31PM

Reduce the VAT, stop people from shopping outside of ROI, increase revenue from VAT.

OR

Increase the VAT, stop people from shopping in ROI, extra revenue won't happen, will probably fall flat.

Problem?

ArmaniJeanss · 17-11-2011 05:32PM

Biggins wrote: »

Who said "everyone" ???

The poster whose post you thanked and subsequently quoted in agreement.

'All the boards.ie experts lined up around the block' to disagree with his 'the bubble will burst' prediction apparently.

Morlar · 17-11-2011 05:35PM

Enderman wrote: »

Reduce the VAT, stop people from shopping outside of ROI, increase revenue from VAT.

OR

Increase the VAT, stop people from shopping in ROI, extra revenue won't happen, will probably fall flat.

Problem?

This looks to be a way of generating revenue while not increasing direct income tax.

Rte just 10 mins ago picked this story up :
http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/1117/budget.html

In equally hairy news :
http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/1117/eurozone.html

Spain's borrowing costs shot to a euro-era record of 6.975% in an auction of sovereign debt this morning.

Chucky the tree · 17-11-2011 05:35PM

Morlar wrote: »

I don't know about you but I said NO to Lisbon twice, I also said 'the bubble would burst'. Each time all the boards.ie experts lined up around the block to pronounce the ridiculousness of those views.

So then explain why a yes to lisbon was bad?

Biggins · 17-11-2011 05:36PM

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

The poster whose post you thanked and subsequently quoted in agreement.

'All the boards.ie experts lined up around the block' to disagree with his 'the bubble will burst' prediction apparently.

I read that as the Boards.ie experts that was espousing that our power (to self-govern/determination) would be not effected - not all experts full stop!

Morlar · 17-11-2011 05:37PM

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

The poster whose post you thanked and subsequently quoted in agreement.

'All the boards.ie experts lined up around the block' to disagree with his 'the bubble will burst' prediction apparently.

What I said was this :

Morlar wrote: »

I don't know about you but I said NO to Lisbon twice, I also said 'the bubble would burst'. Each time all the boards.ie experts lined up around the block to pronounce the ridiculousness of those views.

Which was and remains correct. I did not say EVERY SINGLE POSTER on boards. You are taking what was actually said, twisting it around, removing one part while adding more then saying 'a-ha That's Wrong'. Pathetic.

amacachi · 17-11-2011 05:38PM

Biggins wrote: »

I read that as the Boards.ie experts that was espousing that our power (to self-govern/determination) would be not effected - not all experts full stop!

And what exactly tells you that that's actually happened? Lisbon is a complete irrelevance.

Berlin get to see our Budget first ?

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