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Berlin get to see our Budget first ?

  • 17-11-2011 04:08PM
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,273 ✭✭✭


    Berlin get to see our Budget first?

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/1117/breaking50.html

    Government 'to raise VAT by 2%'

    Minister for Public Reform Brendan Howlin today declined to confirm or deny a report the Government will increase the top rate of VAT by 2 per cent in next month's budget.

    According to documents presented to a budget committee of the German lower house of parliament in Berlin yesterday, the Government will raise the top rate of Value Added Tax (VAT) to 23 per cent, generating an additional €670 million.

    It will make up the rest of the €1 billion it is targeting in new revenue measures through indirect taxes.

    Asked today to confirm the report, Mr Howlin said “it’s information that hasn’t happened”.

    He insisted the Government had yet to make any budgetary decisions. “The Budget is a work in progress,” he told RTÉ’s News At One. “I’m certainly not going to comment on any potential elements of it, but I can tell you there are no decisions in relation to any element of the Budget, and there won’t be until the entire package is before Cabinet.

    “The issue [VAT increase] that you mentioned is part of the Memorandum of Understanding. The timing might be somewhat different, but I’ve no idea the basis of discussions in the German Bundestag.”

    However, Fianna Fáil’s Michael McGrath called on Minister for Finance Michael Noonan to immediately make a statement to clarify the matter.

    Mr McGrath said: "According to the reports, members of the German parliament have been given details of the Irish Budget three weeks before the Irish parliament and the Irish people."

    "If this proves to be true, it would be a staggering and unprecedented breach of faith with the Irish parliament and Irish people on budget plans."


    "It would represent a fundamental breach of established protocols in relation to the disclosure of budgetary measures," he added.

    Ireland is committed to making budgetary adjustments of €3.8 billion for next year under its EU-IMF bailout, and Minister for Finance Michael Noonan has said he will not reveal the exact measures until he presents Budget 2012 on December 6th.

    "After successive budgets in which income tax burdens were raised significantly, we have decided to focus on indirect tax increases to deliver the bulk of the 1 billion euros additional tax effort required in 2012," the document, which was seen by Reuters, said. "To this end, the VAT rate is being raised by 2 percentage points to 23 per cent, which will generate €0.67 billion."

    In a separate document, the EU-IMF troika of lenders said that while Ireland continues to perform well under its programme, risks remain for market sentiment, economic growth and potential higher-than-anticipated bank losses.

    Any thoughts/opinions on this ? I am inclined to disagree with the govt response on this one.


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Comments

  • Closed Accounts Posts: 564 ✭✭✭2ygb4cmqetsjhx


    I for one welcome our new German overlords.................


    Maybe they can help us improve our finances and more importantly maybe they can help us improve and populate our gene pool with nice wimmenz


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,551 ✭✭✭SeaFields


    I for one welcome our new German overlords.................

    I don't. Kunts.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,048 ✭✭✭✭Snowie


    I for one welcome our new German overlords.................

    i think they need to look into public transport system to :cool:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Of course they do. They are running us now to a certain extent sadly.
    Can't wait to see what they do with our roads. I hear they are good at sorting out roads!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 500 ✭✭✭parrai


    Typical liary politican response


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,451 ✭✭✭Lord Trollington


    Anyone else growing a strong dislike for central Europe as of late... France,Germany ect...

    What I will say though is if they raise VAT by 2% they will do nothing only stop people from spending money on non essential items.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,273 ✭✭✭Morlar


    SeaFields wrote: »
    I don't. Kunts.

    They heard you, now it's 24% vat.

    Well done.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,048 ✭✭✭✭Snowie


    Biggins wrote: »
    Of course they do. They are running us now to a certain extent sadly.
    Can't wait to see what they do with our roads. I hear they are good at sorting out roads!

    that they are but lets not forget public transport..

    and dealing with scum should be on the list i hears a lot of gas chambers over there not being used :eek:


    (just syain):D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,528 ✭✭✭foxyboxer


    Prepare for the wurst.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭MungBean


    Anyone else growing a strong dislike for central Europe as of late... France,Germany ect....

    I'd rather we were part of Britain than a German province to be honest.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    foxyboxer wrote: »
    Prepare for the wurst.

    Frak wurst!!! :mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,667 ✭✭✭Frynge


    and dealing with scum should be on the list i hears a lot of gas chambers over there not being used :eek:


    (just syain):D

    too soon!!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    23% vat!

    Ebay, the Queen, Newry, Enniskillen and Lisburn likes this.
    Sainsburys better start building bigger carparks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,159 ✭✭✭✭phasers


    This is all just a scam to get us all to shop in lidl and aldi.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Someone is going to get a rap on the knuckles for this leaking out.
    NOT for the German parliament to know our budget - just for letting the Irish people know that they knew before we even do!

    Coming soon to a media outlet neat you : "Patsy Scapegoat Get's Named"

    What else does other countries know that we don't - that our state is telling them but not us!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,612 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    germany is slowly achieving what they set out in 39 to do.... this time however there is no russia to layeth a smack down on them.

    They have turned "democracy" if there ever was such a thing into a complete farce.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 500 ✭✭✭parrai


    Biggins wrote: »
    Someone is going to get a rap on the knuckles for this leaking out.
    NOT for the German parliament to know our budget - just for letting the Irish people know that they knew before we even do!

    Coming soon to a media outlet neat you : "Patsy Scapegoat Get Named"

    What else does other countries know that we don't - that our state is telling them but not us!


    Maybe this is the plan to keep us in check, so Ireland is under no illusions who is in charge


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 857 ✭✭✭FetchTheGin


    Biggins wrote: »

    What else does other countries know that we don't - that our state is telling them but not us!

    Noonan is Jabba the Hut in disguise. :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,369 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    Frynge wrote: »
    too soon!!!!

    Too late


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,717 ✭✭✭✭JonathanAnon


    You know I wouldnt mind if the Germans were in charge if they were implementing responsible economic policy for the good of the country.. But our current masters seem to be more interested in giving priority to their own political survival rather than Ireland's survival..


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,612 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    parrai wrote: »
    Maybe this is the plan to keep us in check, so Ireland is under no illusions who is in charge

    Irish banks borrowed their money from germany/ france banks etc... who were all too happy to give it to us, with the interest they were earning. Every man and his dog knew it was going to end badly but they continued to shovel money at us.

    So now they give us more money, which we are paying back and they make a tidy profit on.

    We owe them nothing extra, so long as we pay back their money they can take a running leap


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭John Doe1


    Right lets invade germany, whos with me?:mad:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,581 ✭✭✭✭TheZohanS


    Fianna Fail sell us out, Fianna Gael continue with Fianna Fails 4 point plan and continue to sell us out and then Fianna Fail complain that Fianna Gael are doing exactly what they would have done had they remained in power.

    Bunch of useless bastards the lot of them and they can shove any VAT rate up their arse, making the country more expensive to live in is not going to get us out of this hole, they'll lose more VAT by people shopping online from the UK.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    OP is this supposed to be a surprise? Wasn't Enda just over visiting the Führer? She obviously handed him the budget to bring back to Michael the puppet.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,528 ✭✭✭foxyboxer


    So this is what they meant by economic integration.
    Whoever has the hand on the moolah has the hand on the power.

    If this is true then why do we need a government at all.

    Councillor: What's that Mrs O'Sullivan? You think the pavement in Togher needs fixing? Let me just get Helmut on the phone and see what can be done.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 500 ✭✭✭parrai


    twinytwo wrote: »
    Irish banks borrowed their money from germany/ france banks etc... who were all too happy to give it to us, with the interest they were earning. Every man and his dog knew it was going to end badly but they continued to shovel money at us.

    So now they give us more money, which we are paying back and they make a tidy profit on.

    We owe them nothing extra, so long as we pay back their money they can take a running leap


    I agree but under the current system we will always owe them money, the debt will never be paid in full as we will be in deficit continously to some extent. The budgets can only 'squeeze' so much from people... It will end badly and that is a fact.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Noonan is Jabba the Hut in disguise. :pac:

    Well at least he will be company for President Yoda! :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,612 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    TheZohan wrote: »
    Fianna Fail sell us out, Fianna Gael continue with Fianna Fails 4 point plan and continue to sell us out and then Fianna Fail complain that Fianna Gael are doing exactly what they would have done had they remained in power.

    Bunch of useless bastards the lot of them and they can shove any VAT rate up their arse, making the country more expensive to live in is not going to get us out of this hole, they'll lose more VAT by people shopping online from the UK.

    Collins must be laughing at us now... tar and feather the whole lot of them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Only a fool would continue to spend here after this increase is applied. The only things I pay VAT on here these days are my bills, essentially.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85 ✭✭dunphy3


    phasers wrote: »
    This is all just a scam to get us all to shop in lidl and aldi.
    hay i and hunderds,[thousands] others cant afford to shop anywhere else.


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