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  • #242
    FetchTheGin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 857 ✭✭✭FetchTheGin


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    This.

    When the IRA were busy bombing English shopping centres .

    As opposed to British Paratroopers killing the innocent people in Derry and Ballymurphy indiscriminately.

    Honestly, your one sided view on things is tiresome now FF.


  • #243
    gurramok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭gurramok


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    This.

    When the IRA were busy bombing English shopping centres the support for the Loyalist cause would have been fairly high, the enemy of my enemy and all that.

    So the English condoned murder in their name? Absolute BS and a slur on the average British citizen.


  • #244
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,798 ✭✭✭karma_


    Does it strike anyone else as a bit stupid having a 'never' option, given the nature of History, and the knowledge that everything is constantly in a state of change?


  • #245
    orourkeda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,916 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    Unira wha wha?


  • #246
    cosmicfart
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,298 ✭✭✭cosmicfart


    al28283 wrote: »
    Don't be ridiculous


    pfft not much use then are they


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  • #247
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    FetchTheGin wrote: »
    As opposed to British Paratroopers killing the innocent people in Derry and Ballymurphy indiscriminately.

    Honestly, your one sided view on things is tiresome now FF.

    Oh noes, did someone criticise the IRA???

    It isn't one sided, it is the truth. Just as it is the truth that the two incidents you mention above created support for the IRA.


  • #248
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    gurramok wrote: »
    So the English condoned murder in their name? Absolute BS and a slur on the average British citizen.

    I never said anyone condoned murder in their name, my above post explains my opinion.


  • #249
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,798 ✭✭✭karma_


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    Oh noes, did someone criticise the IRA???

    It isn't one sided, it is the truth. Just as it is the truth that the two incidents you mention above created support for the IRA.

    Truth about NI? Fred, you know about as much truth about NI as my arse knows about snipe shooting.


  • #250
    KeithAFC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭KeithAFC


    karma_ wrote: »
    Truth about NI? Fred, you know about as much truth about NI as my arse knows about snipe shooting.
    What did he say which was false?


  • #251
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    karma_ wrote: »
    Truth about NI? Fred, you know about as much truth about NI as my arse knows about snipe shooting.

    As Keith says, could you explain where I am wrong, oh knowledgeable snipe shooting arse one.


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  • #252
    Cú Giobach
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,772 ✭✭✭Cú Giobach


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    This.

    When the IRA were busy bombing English shopping centres the support for the Loyalist cause would have been fairly high, the enemy of my enemy and all that.

    Now that has all stopped most people couldn't care less and would go with whatever the majority wanted.

    A revised campaign in England by the C/R IRA would turn that support back to the unionist cause.

    Actually Fred you have it quite wrong (as with most of your reasoning about Irish matters), during the troubles and bombings in Britain, support for a UI was high (with the majority for re-unification). This has dropped since the peace process too off, with people taking the views of the majority in NI into consideration because they are no longer affected by the situation and subsequently do not actively want to get rid of it.
    Another campaign would reverse this change, with support again rising for a UI.
    Check this graph from here (you need to log in to view the main site).


  • #253
    Leftist
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,230 ✭✭✭Leftist


    stewie01 wrote: »
    Its pretty much inevitable that in the near future Ireland will be restored back to a united island. My question is when?

    predictions welcome

    Why is it inevitable? it's certainly less likely now than it was 10 years ago.

    Economically it would be a major mistake for Dublin.

    If anything it's more likely to remain within the U.K longer than Scotland or Wales. Those two have identities, NI is too small for an independant state, which none of them want. So it's a tug between unification and inevitable poverty and violence, or to remain where they are. It's not 1969 anymore.


  • #254
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    karma_ wrote: »
    Does it strike anyone else as a bit stupid having a 'never' option, given the nature of History, and the knowledge that everything is constantly in a state of change?

    Yep.
    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    I find it amusing that 'Never', the stupidest answer, got the highest number of votes. Just goes to show the level of thought that these 'nevurrrs' put into their choices and answers.
    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    Never is what people said about Paisley and McGuiness sitting together havin' a laugh in a devolved NI parliament.

    Never is what people would have said about Q.E. II Laying a wreath in the GoR and speaking Irish.

    'Never' is a very long time and the future is extremely unpredictable.

    Choosing 'never' in this example is an emotional reaction rather than a considered one.


  • #255
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    Leftist wrote: »
    If anything it's more likely to remain within the U.K longer than Scotland or Wales.

    If Wales and Scotland left the union is would become even more apparent how much of a cancerous lump NI is as regards the health of the English body-economic.

    That is, unless NI somehow became a economic miracle and nearest thing NI had to an economic miracle in recent decades was feeding the boom in the south.


  • #256
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    Cú Giobach wrote: »
    Actually Fred you have it quite wrong (as with most of your reasoning about Irish matters), during the troubles and bombings in Britain, support for a UI was high (with the majority for re-unification). This has dropped since the peace process too off, with people taking the views of the majority in NI into consideration because they are no longer affected by the situation and subsequently do not actively want to get rid of it.
    Another campaign would reverse this change, with support again rising for a UI.
    Check this graph from here (you need to log in to view the main site).

    That surprises me enormously. 25 years ago pretty much every person I knew was in agreement that whatever it was the IRA wanted, they weren't going to get it. Now, most people I know are pretty ambivalent to the whole thing.

    It is odd that in 1994 the pro unification opinion peaked and then dropped. I wonder what happened in 1994 and cause this and what happened in 2004 and 2006 to cause it to drop?


  • #257
    Helix
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,661 ✭✭✭✭Helix


    take the 6 back? jaysus, we'd be better off giving them another 4 or 5


  • #258
    sensibleken
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,650 ✭✭✭sensibleken


    How about this.

    Northern Ireland remains within the union but we give them Jedward as a means of economic independance. In return we get the giants causeway.

    Then over a period of time everybody grows the fúck up, realises that both sides acted like complete dicks on different occasions and tries to get on with their lives.


  • #259
    getz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,255 ✭✭✭getz


    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    If Wales and Scotland left the union is would become even more apparent how much of a cancerous lump NI is as regards the health of the English body-economic.

    That is, unless NI somehow became a economic miracle and nearest thing NI had to an economic miracle in recent decades was feeding the boom in the south.
    dont know about northern ireland ,but it now seems that a referendum scottish independence is leaving its mark,scottish ministers are now crying that big business and the westminister goverment is not investing in scotland as the shadow of a referendum hangs over them,nothing like losing your job to get a dose of realism


  • #260
    Cú Giobach
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,772 ✭✭✭Cú Giobach


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    It is odd that in 1994 the pro unification opinion peaked and then dropped. I wonder what happened in 1994 and cause this and what happened in 2004 and 2006 to cause it to drop?
    The IRA brought Heathrow to a standstill in 1994, (Bishopsgate was in '93), then a ceasefire in 1995.
    The drop in the 2000's would be due to people not being affected by the situation as much and consequently going with the majority wish in NI, instead of just wanting to get rid of it.


  • #261
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,798 ✭✭✭karma_


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    As Keith says, could you explain where I am wrong, oh knowledgeable snipe shooting arse one.

    If you have to rely on what Keith says, the chances are you're most definitely in the wrong.

    I'm from the North, lived through the troubles and I constantly roll my eyes when I see NI discussed on this forum, both from the likes of yourself and from posters south of the border. The reality is that few know what it was really like unless you lived through it.

    I have no knowledge of snipe shooting, that was the whole point of that saying, yet it went sailing merrily over your head.


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  • #262
    KeithAFC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭KeithAFC


    karma_ wrote: »
    If you have to rely on what Keith says, the chances are you're most definitely in the wrong.

    I'm from the North, lived through the troubles and I constantly roll my eyes when I see NI discussed on this forum, both from the likes of yourself and from posters south of the border. The reality is that few know what it was really like unless you lived through it.

    I have no knowledge of snipe shooting, that was the whole point of that saying, yet it went sailing merrily over your head.
    Stop going back on what you said. What did he say which was factually wrong? The truth is he posted the truth. It is a historical fact.


  • #263
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,798 ✭✭✭karma_


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Stop going back on what you said. What did he say which was factually wrong? The truth is he posted the truth. It is a historical fact.

    Keith, the same applies to you. What are you 21? The troubles we suffered up here were well over by the time you were out of nappies.


  • #264
    KeithAFC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭KeithAFC


    karma_ wrote: »
    Keith, the same applies to you. What are you 21? The troubles we suffered up here were well over by the time you were out of nappies.
    Why are you changing the discussion? Stick to the question.


  • #265
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    karma_ wrote: »
    If you have to rely on what Keith says, the chances are you're most definitely in the wrong.

    I'm from the North, lived through the troubles and I constantly roll my eyes when I see NI discussed on this forum, both from the likes of yourself and from posters south of the border. The reality is that few know what it was really like unless you lived through it.

    I have no knowledge of snipe shooting, that was the whole point of that saying, yet it went sailing merrily over your head.

    Its funny. Keith is the only regular poster on here who lives in NI and yet no one ever listens to him. Whereas posters down here (present company excepted of course) deem themselves to be experts.

    I would never try and guess what life is/was like in NI, all I can do is give an opinion of it from my side of the water. Bloody Sunday is often quoted as the best recruitment campaign the IRA, imho, the IRA were the biggest barrier to a united Ireland.

    I got the bit about snipe shooting by the way......


  • #266
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,798 ✭✭✭karma_


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Why are you changing the discussion? Stick to the question.

    You know Keith, I genuinely feel sorry for you, you're just the product of your environment, just like your opposite number on the falls. Both are blissfully unaware of the lunacy that went on up here and cherry pick their heroes.

    Northern Ireland is a much different place now than it was in the 70's and 80's, it has taken the first steps toward growing up, and given more time, extremists on both sides will become increasingly more redundant. So I'm optimistic.

    As for the question in hand, will there be a United Ireland? I wouldn't rule it out, like I posted earlier, to say never is just about as idiotic as you can get.


  • #267
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,798 ✭✭✭karma_


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    Its funny. Keith is the only regular poster on here who lives in NI and yet no one ever listens to him. Whereas posters down here (present company excepted of course) deem themselves to be experts.

    I would never try and guess what life is/was like in NI, all I can do is give an opinion of it from my side of the water. Bloody Sunday is often quoted as the best recruitment campaign the IRA, imho, the IRA were the biggest barrier to a united Ireland.

    I got the bit about snipe shooting by the way......

    Fred, Keith is a bigot.


  • #268
    DeBrugha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59 ✭✭DeBrugha


    The reality is that few know what it was really like unless you lived through it.

    I totally agree with you, people from the south don't have a clue what so ever about this.


  • #269
    KeithAFC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭KeithAFC


    karma_ wrote: »
    You know Keith, I genuinely feel sorry for you, you're just the product of your environment, just like your opposite number on the falls. Both are blissfully unaware of the lunacy that went on up here and cherry pick their heroes.

    Northern Ireland is a much different place now than it was in the 70's and 80's, it has taken the first steps toward growing up, and given more time, extremists on both sides will become increasingly more redundant. So I'm optimistic.

    As for the question in hand, will there be a United Ireland? I wouldn't rule it out, like I posted earlier, to say never is just about as idiotic as you can get.
    Don't. Very proud to be an Ulster Loyalist.


  • #270
    sensibleken
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,650 ✭✭✭sensibleken


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Don't. Very proud to be an Ulster Loyalist.

    pride is like your genitals. It feels nice but if you rub it in other peoples face you look crazy


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  • #271
    KeithAFC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭KeithAFC


    sensibleken wrote: »
    pride is like your genitals. It feels nice but if you rub it in other peoples face you look crazy
    Or defending your position. Nice post anyway.


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