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Windows Phone 7 Launch Thread
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Theres only one phone that has a shown microSD card slot (Samsung Focus).
All 1st get HTC Windows Phone 7's have MicroSD's in them. Their just not expandable.
Believe me your better of without them. Im tired of clearing up space on my gf's desire and soon my mothers xperia play when they install a couple of games and you get a warning you have low amount of memory left when the memory card is half full and only thing stored on internal memory is app data.
Malice just use Skydrive. Its quicker than trying to find a cable to connect your phone to the PC
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With all due respect I completely disagree. If I want to use my phone as an MP3 player or a storage device I'd rather not have to worry too much about the available space especially considering everything is getting saved to the one place. Between MP3s, apps, games, photos and movies I've already run out of space a couple of times and had to do a clean out which brings me back to my previous post about the awful Zune interface. Why oh why can I not just interact with the device through Windows explorer?evolutionqy7 wrote: »Believe me your better of without them.
Without wanting to drag this off-topic there's no chance of me using any cloud-based storage medium. I don't want Microsoft/Google/Amazon having any access to my personal stuff.evolutionqy7 wrote:Malice just use Skydrive. Its quicker than trying to find a cable to connect your phone to the PC0 -
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With all due respect I completely disagree. If I want to use my phone as an MP3 player or a storage device I'd rather not have to worry too much about the available space especially considering everything is getting saved to the one place. Between MP3s, apps, games, photos and movies I've already run out of space a couple of times and had to do a clean out which brings me back to my previous post about the awful Zune interface. Why oh why can I not just interact with the device through Windows explorer?
Without wanting to drag this off-topic there's no chance of me using any cloud-based storage medium. I don't want Microsoft/Google/Amazon having any access to my personal stuff.
Right thats fair enough. I too have the annoying that i cant just plug my phone into a device and use it as an MP3 player.
There is a USB storage app on XDA. Its very simple and doesnt need jailbreak and it works on Windows PC's . Not sure can you use it for docs but it works 100% for music and pics. Will look up source later.
For docs and stuff you could try WP Device Manager. Last time i check it could transfer all sort of stuff from and to the device as long as its dev unlocked.Maybe I'm missing something but if a phone with removable MMC can run out of space, why couldn't a phone with embedded MicroSD equally run out of space?
Because most of the time (if not all the time) phones come with a certain amount of internal memory. If its anything under 1GB alot of it will be taken up by the system. Try downloading a couple of games and you will get a warning that your phone is low on space. Even though you got lots of space on mSD. mSD On android works as a side memory rather than integrated memory to store app data. On Android you can store a certain amount of app data on mSD but not everything.
Its one thing i dont miss from having a HD2. My gf cant install any more apps on her desire cause her memory is full. Mind due she has 5 simple games and 3 apps, settings up mSD A2SD is a pain in the hole for me.
With WP7 because external storage is integrated you never run into the problem of low internal storage because the phone will manage that for you and store information on internal and external memory for you.
This is why mSD cards arent removable so that average users would corrupt something by putting phones in USB storage mode. Moving something, deleting, renaming and then the phone or apps starting to mess up then.
This the way i understand it
WP7 and iPhone way is just alot less painfull and you dont have to worry about space as much 0 -
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Note that some of the windows phones that do allow sdcard actually physically damage the sdcard by burning a signature of bad sectors into it, so the card is locked to that phone (thus you can't take it out and put into camera or another device). Dunno if Microsoft have since reversed this behaviour...
What phones actually physically damage the SD card, if this was the case the card wouldn't work, in the phone its in lol!
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What phones actually physically damage the SD card, if this was the case the card wouldn't work, in the phone its in lol!
If they write an incorrect signature onto the card but write WP7 to expect that incorrect signature, it would work just fine.
What (s)he's saying is correct - removable SD cards once tied to a WP7 device do not function as normal SD cards outside that device.0 -
That's not technically true. Data written to the card is encrypted, including I believe the standard partition and file system stuff written to any card as part of formatting. This is done using the standard encryption methods built into SDCards (SD standing for Secure Digital).Note that some of the windows phones that do allow sdcard actually physically damage the sdcard by burning a signature of bad sectors into it, so the card is locked to that phone (thus you can't take it out and put into camera or another device). Dunno if Microsoft have since reversed this behaviour...
The confusion arises because very few devices have ever actually implemented the standards, so as far as they can see the card appears to have corrupt data. Devices which do implement the standards can detect that it contains encrypted data, and at least format or wipe the card (although they don't have the keys needed to decrypt it)
It has mostly the same end result, you can't pop the card in a standard reader and read/write it or even wipe it to use somewhere else. But being pedantic it's not strictly Microsoft's fault, they used functionality built into the card, it's just that most cheap card readers don't
edit: I believe Nokia phones which support SD cards also support the encryption standards and people have used them to reformat the card to use elsewhere.0 -
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What phones actually physically damage the SD card, if this was the case the card wouldn't work, in the phone its in lol!
If they write an incorrect signature onto the card but write WP7 to expect that incorrect signature, it would work just fine.
What (s)he's saying is correct - removable SD cards once tied to a WP7 device do not function as normal SD cards outside that device.
If you have an Nokia phone lying around you can format the card and it will work just as fine.
Srsly you can deny it all you want but android phones do get low memory warnings even when the sd card memory isn't full. It doesn't use the sd card to the full potential.
I didn't have that problem on the s2 because has lots of internal memory. But in sure that can be pushed to get the warnings.
As said no consumer should have to delete apps or clear app data in order to install new ones or even use their phone. Only time that a user should get a low memory warning is when the internal memory and external are all nearly full.0 -
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Well its the techy people working in phone shops that sell wp7's
I'm the only one that pushes wp7's in my shop
But yes we are a minority. Most people would not want to get the same phone as me cause they think they would need a years course in mobile technology to operate it
God believe me you have to get this down to bog bog bog standard to people to teach them how to use a new technology. People just don't want to learn new stuff. Nvm reading the manual!!!
But its the average Joe that does alot more marketing with his "look at me I have the coolest phone ever".
After all that's the wave apple has been riding since they started their company.0 -
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evolutionqy7 wrote: »Well its the techy people working in phone shops that sell wp7's
I'm the only one that pushes wp7's in my shop
But yes we are a minority. Most people would not want to get the same phone as me cause they think they would need a years course in mobile technology to operate it
God believe me you have to get this down to bog bog bog standard to people to teach them how to use a new technology. People just don't want to learn new stuff. Nvm reading the manual!!!
But its the average Joe that does alot more marketing with his "look at me I have the coolest phone ever".
After all that's the wave apple has been riding since they started their company.
WP7 has had a disasterous launch on this Island. There were 4/5 decentish phones at launch but no real campaign to get them in peoples pockets to win mindshare. Until the launch of the HTC Titan and its lower powered HTC Radar cousin recently you couldn't find a WP7 in any of the bricks and mortar stores bar Voda and they were limited to the LG7 which was nigh on a year old at the time and hiding on it's own in a corner.
The HTC Titan is a decent phone, and mango has brought WP7 on alot yet still afaict only Voda have it atm and they aren't pushing it at all, its relegated to the corner of the shop.
The WP7 marketshare is down below 2% and going nowhere right now. I do think the imminent Lumia 800 launch in Europe will drive some sales, but imo the Lumia 800 is an over priced, somewhat outdated handset, given it is largely just an N9 with WP7 crammed onto it, and only what remains of Nokia's large fanboy base is going to go out and buy it.
I have an upgrade at the moment and am tempted by the Titan, I think the Nokia's screen is too small, but I am most likely to get a Galaxy Nexus or moreover as I have a HTC Sensation at the moment just wait until Q1/2 2012 when the next Samsung and HTC flagship devices launch.
I have meandered a bit here, but personally I think windows has botched the WP7 launch and marketing and the brutal <2% marketshare is testament to this. From my experiences it's not a bad OS at all and should be doing alot better if it was being pushed and had grabbed some market/mindshare.0 -
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The thing is the Lumia 800 is a pretty poor, overpriced and limited phone, full of old tech, that nokia have rushed to market cramming WP7 into an N9.
It's not a good phone, and its not a phone people should buy. I am sure the phones nokia actually designed for WP7 which will come in Q2 next year will be excellent WP7 flagships, but the Lumia is poor, and imho the HTC Titan is the best WP7 handset of 2012.
Well id prefer to say the Focus S is but, since that's US only the Titan is the Windows Phone flagship for us this year.
Ill agree with you. Lumia 800 is a poor phone. If they kept the screen at 3.9 and added that FFC it would have been a different story. Nobody in Ireland (beside us knows of the N9 or N900 for that matter) so i mean the Lumia 800 is a new and original phone to the average Joe.
But its not a very future proof. Just having Nokia Maps on it is not gonna make me buy it. I have Navigon EU maps on my Omnia 7.
But only time can tell I think ill be able to sell it in my shop. But i dont think ill be selling **** tons of it cause its gonna be here After Xmas 0 -
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