Mac do you really like it?

I love my iMac, I hate having to use windows computers in college, macs are just so much easier to use.

What I meant to say was

If you get a mac then if you find you need windows also then you can run windows on a mac.

If you buy a pc but decide you love osx then you will have to buy a mac as well as your pc.

That's why I love a mac.

Sorry, I didn't intend to go off on their relative merits.

Also, technically running osx on non mac hardware is a licence violation.

Try Linux and make it look like osx if you like, it's a good fun project.

Freddie59 wrote: »

But we're back around in a circle again. This is your opinion from your own relative position.

Well, yes... It is.

What did you expect when you asked me "Why are you so vehemently opposed to Macs?" ?

The OP asked if people who use Mac OS X (And Macs in general I suppose) like it. I use Mac OS X fairly regularly and I find it clunky and not an ideal OS for anything above the simplest of computer tasks.

Also, as someone who regularly uses but doesn't actually own a Mac I have a less clouded opinion of the OS as I am not trying to subconsciously justify my own purchase decisions.

Apple and their draconian licence agreements...

IMO, if you buy a piece of software you should be free to use it in any way you like. It's only an issue if you're an OEM who decides to sell computers with Mac OS X preinstalled.

You don't BUY OSX in the first place, you are licensed to use it at which stage you agree to only use it on Apple Mac Computer systems.

The OS is either included pre-installed as part of the machine OR also available as an upgrade to a previously installed version of OSX.

Factor in that when you buy your samsung series 7, Dell or whatever you are getting a "lite" version of Windows7 as well ... how much for an upgrade nowadays ?

I use Mac OS X fairly regularly and I find it clunky and not an ideal OS for anything above the simplest of computer tasks.

I would also love to hear more about these complicated tasks that cannot be done on a Mac ?

"Once you go Mac, you'll never go back"

Never been a truer statement. It should actually be a warning when buying macs because it's gonna cost me a lot of money any time I want to update my machine!

Sure, they're expensive, but in my opinion you get what you pay for. Looks: amazing. Hardware: amazing but not top of the range. Software: Unparalleled. User experience: ^^ sorry just went through the roof.

partyatmygaff wrote: »

The OP asked if people who use Mac OS X (And Macs in general I suppose) like it. I use Mac OS X fairly regularly and I find it clunky and not an ideal OS for anything above the simplest of computer tasks.

Well, that's your experience. I'm a software professional and I haven't had a reason to boot anything other than OS X in years. If you work in an industry which ties you into Windows, that is your loss.

Funnily enough, I've found Windows to be less than capable of performing the simplest of tasks. Why should I need to install 3rd party bloatware in order to do trivial things like open PDF files, partition volumes or open archive files? The fact that you prefer to use your keyboard over your mouse is unfortunate, the Windows command line interface is nothing short of a joke.

partyatmygaff wrote: »

You love a Mac because you can run Windows on it? That's one of the main thing's I like about Apple's hardware too


Apple and their draconian licence agreements...

IMO, if you buy a piece of software you should be free to use it in any way you like. It's only an issue if you're an OEM who decides to sell computers with Mac OS X preinstalled.

No, I hate windows but I love that if I have to I can do it one box. I hate mac licensing but I also hate windows licensing. I put Ubuntu on my laptop for that reason. It's far neater than a hackintosh.

I like that my mac works nicely with my apple tv and iPhone. I got fed up with windows glitches and updates but mac osx also has a few.

The point is that a mac works better than a windows pc in my consumer environment but I must admit all that fanboy stuff is mental.

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Colonel Panic wrote: »

So one industry? I come from an engineering background but went towards software development and there's very little I can't do in terms of my workflow on Windows or Apple machines/operating systems.

Well... not really. I used all of that software to design and make my Leaving Cert Engineering project. I have a pretty wide range of interests. I'm currently studying Pharmacy and the software I use for that too isn't available for Mac OS X.

As for the software industry, that's to be expected as the industry directly relates to the machine being used. It's the one industry that's equally represented across all three major platforms.

They hamper your workflow, not millions of other people. If you use Macs regularly they should be muscle memory!

Yes, it's not that much of a hindrance on its own but when you add up any other niggling issues like that you end up saying to yourself "Why should I have to put up with this when there's an alternative?".

That is the joke... I checked your post history! You like having arguments don't you? Seriously man, life's too short!

Well... they can be interesting/entertaining. Threads like these are great because I love talking about anything to do with computers. Threads of the type that get posted on AH I usually get fed up of fairly quickly.

cornbb wrote: »

Well, that's your experience. I'm a software professional and I haven't had a reason to boot anything other than OS X in years. If you work in an industry which ties you into Windows, that is your loss.

Well yes it's my experience. I never said it was anything else. Just because my experience wasn't positive like other people on this thread doesn't make it invalid.

Funnily enough, I've found Windows to be less than capable of performing the simplest of tasks. Why should I need to install 3rd party bloatware in order to do trivial things like open PDF files, partition volumes or open archive files?

For one, installing a PDF reader is hardly a taxing or difficult procedure. In any case, Windows 8 will include a native PDF reader so that's that done and dusted.

As for partitioning volumes, logical disk manager has been available since Windows 2000. Or at least I remember using it back then anyway.

The fact that you prefer to use your keyboard over your mouse is unfortunate, the Windows command line interface is nothing short of a joke.

You know perfectly well what I meant and it had nothing to do with the command line.

Do be careful with describing software as 'clunky' unless you are Steve jobs, bill gates etc .

When I buy software (Or a software licence in other words) I'll use it in any way I see fit.

One of the reasons the Mac "Ecosystem" works so well is BECAUSE they do not allow third party machines. The OS / Hardware and software is optimized and matched, which results in higher stability and lower failure rates.

If that were to open-up, support would get shoddy. Third party built systems would be crashing left, right and center. The Apple name goes down the plug hole as a result.

By closing the system the way they have they only need to limit themselves to a small subset of hardware and software and provide ultra reliable, gorgeous and easy to use machines as a result.

If Adobe for example decided to say "Photoshop can only be run on 'Photoshop Workstation'-branded computers" there would be uproar.

An example ... If you manage to install photoshop on a linux based machine, sell that linux machine to a third party person and that third party calls Adobe when there is an issue when they did an upgrade or whatever. That person needs to be explained to that their config is unsupported.

Now you may ask "whats the big deal" well..

1. It costs Adobe money for somebody to be available take that call in the first place.

2. The person who has the problem is now being told their system is unsupported, are probably going think they are just being fobbed off by Adobe and as a result is gonna think they are a complete shower of Bankers, and probably rant on every forum they can find.

3. He comes back to you, you manage to get it working, double whammy Adobe look both like bankers and stupid as you tell him "it wasn't that hard, they should have been able to ....."


Unfortunatly that is what would happen if Apple decided you can "install it on anything" and third parties started putting together Hackintoshes.

Product and Software stability reputation is part what Apple prides itself on... Apple as a whole is based on the sum of two halfs, not just providing one or the other.

If people wanna tinker they can tinker, and sure you CAN get OSX running but with some effort, probably needing to know a few terminal commands, probably won't be up-dateable.

Perhaps it'll be even faster than an actual Mac. BUT it won't look as nice, won't have the support, probably won't have some of the features that make using a Mac part of the "Apple Experience"

Don't expect beige Mac "clones" again anytime soon .. it almost bankrupted them last time they "opened" their system, a lot of people forget that they tried that before.

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Well... not really. I used all of that software to design and make my Leaving Cert Engineering project. I have a pretty wide range of interests. I'm currently studying Pharmacy and the software I use for that too isn't available for Mac OS X.

As for the software industry, that's to be expected as the industry directly relates to the machine being used. It's the one industry that's equally represented across all three major platforms.

A lot of photographers, graphic designers, writers and the like would use Apple stuff as much as they would Windows stuff.

When it comes to professional software, it's more about dogmatic opinions like yours that make companies just say "Hmm, there's no money in making an OS X version", the same is true of the finance industry which is what I write software for.

So yeah, I write Windows software for a living on Windows computers and I prefer OS X. I have a Windows 7 desktop PC for games and in my spare time write games and make sure they work on OS X and Windows. If I'm honest I find this whole argument about something that just isn't remotely important a bit trying when I fall into the trap of trying to debate something I don't care about!

Just because your experiences with things says it's all about the Windows software doesn't a) help you understand why and b) make you right regarding all things computing ever!