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Subtle abuse by youths on the street

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  • #62
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,646 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    MungBean wrote: »
    So is being a dick.

    If my arguments are too much for you, you're free to address them.

    But you are really showing your immaturity (and therefore the immaturity of your idea to fight 6 guys) by throwing abuse at a guy on the internet you've never met.

    Congratulations!


  • #63
    MungBean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭MungBean


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Addressing it? Addressing it is to fight the guys? Are you for real?

    Sometimes walking away is the smart thing to do. Stop acting like you're some sort of hard man it's embarrassing!

    You stand up for yourself ffs. If that leads to a fight then it leads to a fight but fear of getting a hiding shouldnt be enough to force you to endure hassle.


  • #64
    MyKeyG
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,282 ✭✭✭MyKeyG


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    No, i'm 27. I'm an adult man who sorts out his problems not by using his fists but by being a reasonable adult and knowing when it's a good idea to sort out a problem like an adult (a lot) and when it's a good idea to take on 6 guys at once (never).
    When dealing with people you only have 50% control over what happens so that point is nonsense.


  • #65
    MrStuffins
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    MyKeyG wrote: »
    Nonsense of the highest order! If these guys wanted to punch, knife or glass him they would have done it.

    Oh dear lord!


  • #66
    MungBean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭MungBean


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    If my arguments are too much for you, you're free to address them.

    But you are really showing your immaturity (and therefore the immaturity of your idea to fight 6 guys) by throwing abuse at a guy on the internet you've never met.

    Congratulations!

    Guy said you were being a dick and you cried victim and pointed to the charter. I was merely informing you that being a dick is against the charter too. Its not abuse. Ya see OP... you'll always be the victim :rolleyes:


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  • #67
    MyKeyG
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,282 ✭✭✭MyKeyG


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Oh dear lord!
    Very competent informative response:rolleyes:


  • #68
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,646 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    MyKeyG wrote: »
    No it doesn't make you a real man, but if you honestly believe that a person can make it through life without ever having to resort to physicality then you're either seriously deluded or you were raised wrapped in cotton wool.

    Lad, I haven't been in a fight outside of a martial arts gym since I was 14 years old in school. I live in one of the roughest parts of Dublin. I've lived in different parts of the world. I've never had to actually throw a punch at ANYONE as an adult. I'm pretty much alive.

    Compare that to my best mate who 3 years ago got started on by 3 guys in Dublin City Centre, decided that onstead of walking away, which would be the smart thing to do, he would turn and stand up to them.

    A knife in the stomach told him THAT was a bad idea!


  • #69
    Fluorescence
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,490 ✭✭✭Fluorescence


    :pac: They're clearly a bit soft in the head if they find it hilarious to say hello to someone they know. Mental capacity of a slice of toast, evidently.

    There's nothing you can really do in that situation btw. Just say "Hi" back and wave, like it's a totally normal thing to do. You know, cause it is. They gotta learn to use their words eventually after all :pac:


  • #70
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,646 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    christ on a bike! wrote: »
    Where did I say he should fight them? I said he should address them and ask them what there problem is, if he gets slaps then he gets slaps.

    :rolleyes:
    And your being very condescending, acting a bit hard yourself

    I'm sorry if you feel belittled by my opinions and my style of delivering them. But that's a shortcoming on your part i'm afraid.
    And you're right about walking away being the right thing to do at times. But this fella has a problem, day ater day. Needs to be addressed. This is ABC stuff

    Yeah and if he took your advice he'd "get slaps" as you've already admitted. Solves his problem does it?

    jaysus!


  • #71
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,646 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    MungBean wrote: »
    Guy said you were being a dick and you cried victim and pointed to the charter. I was merely informing you that being a dick is against the charter too. Its not abuse. Ya see OP... you'll always be the victim :rolleyes:

    Being a dick is a matter of opinion.

    The poster's calling me a dick was a matter of FACT personal abuse.

    You don't see the difference, but i'm not suprised.


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  • #72
    LH Pathe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,515 ✭✭✭LH Pathe


    Sounds like the classic done to death gang mentality. little 'mafia' as they probs refer to emselves its them against the world. of course the bigger it is the less individual capability they possess; the older they get they will find they are most certainly not family let alone friends.

    It's funny more than one siezing any opportunity to harrass folks on their own because since I was like 10 I always made a point of considering the lone stranger on the street when I have pals around and ensuring never to do that, because I like they know it will play on that lone persons mind. isolation compounds it.. Just a measure of the type of people we're dealing with


  • #73
    MyKeyG
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,282 ✭✭✭MyKeyG


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Lad, I haven't been in a fight outside of a martial arts gym since I was 14 years old in school. I live in one of the roughest parts of Dublin. I've lived in different parts of the world. I've never had to actually throw a punch at ANYONE as an adult. I'm pretty much alive.

    Compare that to my best mate who 3 years ago got started on by 3 guys in Dublin City Centre, decided that onstead of walking away, which would be the smart thing to do, he would turn and stand up to them.

    A knife in the stomach told him THAT was a bad idea!
    Well 'Lad' in my experience if someone has violence on their mind they're going to act on it. If the OP lets this slide the individuals in question will get more and more abusive.

    Yes it will end eventually but at what cost? Low self esteem? Depression? Anxiety disorder? Ever suffered from any of those? I do and all because I let people knock me about before I'd had enough.

    So open your mind to all the possible results in the situation before you start flapping your gums and pushing your condescending authority.


  • #74
    MungBean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭MungBean


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Being a dick is a matter of opinion.

    The poster's calling me a dick was a matter of FACT personal abuse.

    You don't see the difference, but i'm not suprised.

    Why are you not surprised ? I havent insulted you I have only responded to your posts, why are you getting personal ?


  • #75
    4zn76tysfajdxp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,944 ✭✭✭✭4zn76tysfajdxp


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Being a dick is a matter of opinion.

    The poster's calling me a dick was a matter of FACT personal abuse.

    You don't see the difference, but i'm not suprised.
    Don't play the victim, you started it by calling people goons.


  • #76
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,646 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    MyKeyG wrote: »
    Well 'Lad' in my experience if someone has violence on their mind they're going to act on it. If the OP lets this slide the individuals in question will get more and more abusive.

    You're making the massive mistake of trying to back up your opinions by trying to frame what might happen as what will happen.

    You don't know if they will get more abusive. But I tell you what, if he went to them looking for a fight there is very very probable that he will get the fight and lose. Lose badly. And then when he does, you think that'll be it? You think that will stop the abuse?
    Yes it will end eventually but at what cost? Low self esteem? Depression? Anxiety disorder? Ever suffered from any of those? I do and all because I let people knock me about before I'd had enough.

    I'm sorry to hear your story OP but it doesn ot change the fact that getting into a fight with 6 guys is a bad idea. THis faux hard man act is tiresome!
    So open your mind to all the possible results in the situation before you start flapping your gums and pushing your condescending authority.

    I know the possible results. I'm not concerned with what's possible. I'm concerned with what is probable.

    The other poster even said he'd get "the slaps" and still thinks that's a good idea. Amazing!


  • #77
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,646 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Ulises Mysterious Below wrote: »
    Don't play the victim, you started it by calling people goons.

    Perhaps I did.

    Personal abuse it is not though.

    But I see your point Ulises Mysterious Below.


  • #78
    4zn76tysfajdxp
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    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Perhaps I did.

    Personal abuse it is not though.
    That's pathetic behaviour in fairness. Personally abusing people (goon is personal abuse), causing a stink when it's returned and trying to lawyer your way out of it when's it's called out. It does nothing for your argument.


  • #79
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,646 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Ulises Mysterious Below wrote: »
    That's pathetic behaviour in fairness. Personally abusing people (goon is personal abuse), causing a stink when it's returned and trying to lawyer your way out of it when's it's called out. It does nothing for your argument.

    Fair enough. If that's how you view it.

    My points still stand though. Chosing to get into a 6 on 1 fight is a ridiculously bad idea.


  • #80
    MungBean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭MungBean


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Fair enough. If that's how you view it.

    My points still stand though. Chosing to get into a 6 on 1 fight is a ridiculously bad idea.

    Its not about choosing to get into a 6 on 1 fight. Its about standing up for yourself.


  • #81
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,646 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    MungBean wrote: »
    Its not about choosing to get into a 6 on 1 fight. Its about standing up for yourself.

    There are times to do that and times not to.

    There are ways to do that and ways not to.

    Walking up to them so they can give you "the slaps" is not the way to stand up for yourself.


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  • #82
    MyKeyG
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    MrStuffins wrote: »
    You're making the massive mistake of trying to back up your opinions by trying to frame what might happen as what will happen.

    You don't know if they will get more abusive. But I tell you what, if he went to them looking for a fight there is very very probable that he will get the fight and lose. Lose badly. And then when he does, you think that'll be it? You think that will stop the abuse?



    I'm sorry to hear your story OP but it doesn ot change the fact that getting into a fight with 6 guys is a bad idea. THis faux hard man act is tiresome!



    I know the possible results. I'm not concerned with what's possible. I'm concerned with what is probable.

    The other poster even said he'd get "the slaps" and still thinks that's a good idea. Amazing!
    Hold on a second. First I'm not talking 'hard man' I'm talking about nipping something in the bud. Second you're dealing in probability as well. You don't know any better than me what will happen. In your neck of the woods it might end in a vicious fight, in mine it's highly doubtful. We both have story's that illustrate our relative opinions. Do I doubt that it will end in tears? No I don't, I'd like to think I'm not so narrow minded but all I know is if I had it all back I'd do exactly as I'm suggesting now, bruises or not.

    Your sympathy is genuinely appreciated.


  • #83
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,646 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    MyKeyG wrote: »
    Hold on a second. First I'm not talking 'hard man' I'm talking about nipping something in the bud. Second you're dealing in probability as well. You don't know any better than me what will happen. In your neck of the woods it might end in a vicious fight, in mine it's highly doubtful. We both have story's that illustrate our relative opinions. Do I doubt that it will end in tears? No I don't, I'd like to think I'm not so narrow minded but all I know is if I had it all back I'd do exactly as I'm suggesting now, bruises or not.

    Your sympathy is genuinely appreciated.

    Well as I said, it's very PROBABLE that if he went looking for a fight he would get one, I know you'd agree with me here.

    Too much of the time people presume just because people can be bullies in a group that they have the cliché bully group mentality and they'd back down when confronted. It's a fatal error to do this! A lot of the time thiese guys will be more than happy to take you on, when alone OR when in the group.

    And if you win when they're on their own, chances are they won't like that too much and let you away with it when back in the group.


  • #84
    Super-Rush
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    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Dude, don't be listening to these clowns. You don't wanna be going into a group of lads looking for a fight. The goons suggesting this would do nothing of the sort.
    MrStuffins wrote: »
    You don't live in the real world my friend.

    if he went into a group of lads looking for a fight he'd end up "the victim". The OP isn't a 10 year old, he's a grown man talking about other men trying to intimidate him.

    If he tries to fight them then he better PRAY that these lads are hard men. That these lads are the types of lads who will stand and fight.

    Because if they're not they'll be the type of lads who will carry a blade and win that way!

    Honestly, where are all you goons from?

    Who are theses goons and clowns you speak of?


  • #85
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,646 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    super-rush wrote: »
    Who are theses goons and clows you speak of?

    The goons were those who were suggesting to the OP that he should commit violence on these people who he feels intimidated by. I would find such behaviour (the violence) thuggish and goonish and would find the suggestion and encouragement of violence on others like this to be goonish too.


  • #86
    Super-Rush
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    MrStuffins wrote: »
    The goons were those who were suggesting to the OP that he should commit violence on these people who he feels intimidated by. I would find such behaviour (the violence) thuggish and goonish and would find the suggestion and encouragement of violence on others like this to be goonish too.

    You're attacking the poster, not the post.

    Quit it.


  • #87
    kaymin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,553 ✭✭✭kaymin


    My advice would be to go up to them, look them in the eye and ask them what's up?, in a friendly kinda way. Don't betray any sense of intimidation / fear and don't give any hint that you're looking for a fight. If they answer nothing, then I'd ask them why they're kicking stones towards you etc. Simple straightforward questions that will have them wondering at their own stupidity. I'd bet they'll be a little embarrassed / dumb struck and won't bother you again.

    On the otherhand, if they're the sort that get into fights then I'd just ignore them.


  • #88
    paulosham
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 257 ✭✭paulosham


    MungBean wrote: »
    Pick the weakest of the bunch and beat the living lord shíte out of him.

    That's the worst thing to do. Pick the biggest or the leader.


  • #89
    cocoshovel
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    Why would you even care about such a thing?


  • #90
    Ellis Dee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,510 ✭✭✭Ellis Dee


    John Doe1 wrote: »
    To be honest id get the oul lad out and blast them with urine

    The problem is, they sound like the kind of perverts that might enjoy it.:):):)


    My suggestion is that you get a digital camera and take a video of them. Then put it up up on YouTube with a title along the lines of "What sheer boredom can drive ignorant yokels to ...":rolleyes::rolleyes:


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  • #91
    Shanotheslayer
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    Alter-Ego wrote: »
    Don't reply, just smile, laugh and shake your head a bit. The smile and shake that signals that you know that they're scrotes and that you find it amusing that they haven't come to that realisation themselves.
    What world do you live in that you think the scum would even notice/care about that?
    christ on a bike! wrote: »

    All you have suggested is that he doesn't go near the lads because he'll get battered. Your solution is to take abuse day after day

    Where are all the real men gone?

    Agree with this, no point taking abuse day by day. What does that benefit you? Low self esteem and a fear of walking by this group? Will benefit him nothing. Cross the road every time he sees him? In fear of what might happen? Bollíx imo.
    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Always be the victim?

    No he won't! because he won't have to put up with sh*t like this for much longer, he's almost in his 20s for God sake. This stuff stops happening when people grow up you know.

    Are you 15?

    Age doesn't matter when it comes to bullying. You must be from a reasonable area to not notice that people in there 20s or so are still acting like this. I live in a what would be considered dodgy area and there's people in there 20s still acting like that. So to say that they'll grow up soon is wishful.

    Even if they grow up in 3-4 years, that's 3-4 years the OP will have to put up with it until he moves.

    OP, I reckon you stand your ground, I'm not saying to go look for a fight with them, but if they say something ,say something back. If they throw something throw something back.

    I'm pretty sure most men have taking beatens in their time and tbh I'm grateful I got mine as it made me realize I'm not gonna crack at one punch when I get hit, adrenaline is a strong thing mate!


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