upgrading a dell dimension 9200 graphics card

spankalish · 13-11-2011 01:24AM #1

ok I just bought an asus Radeon HD 6850 from amazon. I own a dell dimension 9200. It only has a 350 watt psu and its recommended to have a 500 watt. I am wondering if I will have to upgrade a psu and If the card will work at all? any help on this thank.

yoyo · 13-11-2011 01:33AM

spankalish wrote: »

ok I just bought an asus Radeon HD 6850 from amazon. I own a dell dimension 9200. It only has a 350 watt psu and its recommended to have a 500 watt. I am wondering if I will have to upgrade a psu and If the card will work at all? any help on this thank.

Most likely yes you will, and with Dell machines finding a PSU that will fit without taking a hack saw to the case can be difficult, try it with the Dell PSU but you'll probably run into problems

Nick

spankalish · 13-11-2011 02:41AM

yoyo wrote: »

Most likely yes you will, and with Dell machines finding a PSU that will fit without taking a hack saw to the case can be difficult, try it with the Dell PSU but you'll probably run into problems

Nick

yea I just cancelled the order. Its too much trouble. You would buy a new computer for the price it would be to upgrade the few things I want to on the dell. I want to upgrade the graphics card which will involve changing the psu and I want to upgrade the ram too. The wires from the psu are basically running under the motherboard. Because they dont want you to change things. They want you to buy a new computer. More money for them.

yoyo · 13-11-2011 02:43AM

spankalish wrote: »

yea I just cancelled the order. Its too much trouble. You would buy a new computer for the price it would be to upgrade the few things I want to on the dell. I want to upgrade the graphics card which will involve changing the psu and I want to upgrade the ram too. The wires from the psu are basically running under the motherboard. Because they dont want you to change things. They want you to buy a new computer. More money for them.

Tbh your probably better off, you could replace the Dell PSU (With difficulty probably!), RAM etc but you are better off building a decent machine which you have full control over

Nick

spankalish · 13-11-2011 02:47AM

yoyo wrote: »

Tbh your probably better off, you could replace the Dell PSU (With difficulty probably!), RAM etc but you are better off building a decent machine which you have full control over

Nick

Yea. Well I suppose I have it since 2007. It's a great computer. Do anything I want. Just it's stumbling on battlefield 3 which I had a feeling it would. I'll just have to give up on games I think. Gone too old for them now anyway. Thanks for the help.

13-11-2011 03:41PM

You can get an ATX supply in it without an issue, you just have about a 10mm gap at the back as the ATX supply isn't as high as the BTX.

As for the Dell PSU in it, from my own experience and reading on various forums it's a good unit. I had it running a GTX260 without any issues.

spankalish · 13-11-2011 05:54PM

anyone know the best graphics card to get that I would not have to go changing the psu and would fit a normal pci x16 card slot

asif2011 · 13-11-2011 06:10PM

spankalish wrote: »

anyone know the best graphics card to get that I would not have to go changing the psu and would fit a normal pci x16 card slot

As far as I'm concerned, brand name PCs and gaming GPUs don't mix too well. The PSU you get with a brand PC is never a quality one, is not easily replaced and it's added cost if you replace it.

The best thing to do is build you own PC, get as good a power-supply as you can afford, a case with loads of room. I got a Corsair AX850 PSU, Corsair Graphite 600T case. Right there I've spent propably half of what most people would spend on a computer. But those 2 will probably last at least 5 years and it has loads of room for upgrades, water cooling, multiple GPUs etc.

Battlefield 3 is a beast of a game not even an expensive enough GTX 570 gets more than 50-60 FPS on Ultra settings. If any part of your system is not quite up to scratch then it'll show. I have 23" monitors with 5ms refresh and when the action gets fast the picture tears slightly, bugs the hell out of me. Gaming on PCs is an expensive business!

spankalish · 13-11-2011 06:41PM

asif2011 wrote: »

As far as I'm concerned, brand name PCs and gaming GPUs don't mix too well. The PSU you get with a brand PC is never a quality one, is not easily replaced and it's added cost if you replace it.

The best thing to do is build you own PC, get as good a power-supply as you can afford, a case with loads of room. I got a Corsair AX850 PSU, Corsair Graphite 600T case. Right there I've spent propably half of what most people would spend on a computer. But those 2 will probably last at least 5 years and it has loads of room for upgrades, water cooling, multiple GPUs etc.

Battlefield 3 is a beast of a game not even an expensive enough GTX 570 gets more than 50-60 FPS on Ultra settings. If any part of your system is not quite up to scratch then it'll show. I have 23" monitors with 5ms refresh and when the action gets fast the picture tears slightly, bugs the hell out of me. Gaming on PCs is an expensive business!

I just want to be able to play it on low settings My card just about cant take it. I have an Nvidia GeForce 8600 GTS. It recommends a min of a Nvidia GeForce 8800GT. I am just wondering what graphics card it would take? Like would it take a Geforce 9800GT? or a amd radeon hd5750?

asif2011 · 13-11-2011 06:51PM

spankalish wrote: »

I just want to be able to play it on low settings My card just about cant take it. I have an Nvidia GeForce 8600 GTS. It recommends a min of a Nvidia GeForce 8800GT. I am just wondering what graphics card it would take? Like would it take a Geforce 9800GT? or a amd radeon hd5750?

The best place to check is the link below (do a CTRL+F and type in 8600), there you should see a benchmark of your current GPU Vs the others that are out on the market.

http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html

Your 8600GT benches at 520, a 8800 GT benches at 966 (seems like it could have been close just looking at the model number but it's nearly twice the performance), the AMD 5750 benches at 1,506 and a GTX 570 benches at 3,556.

Personally I think any money you spend will be good money after bad - unless you know someone with a AMD 5750.

doodbone · 17-11-2011 10:25PM

Hi there,

I am thinking of doing the exact same thing. I also have a Dell Dimension 9200 for which I am looking to get a new graphics card. I spotted the Sapphire HD 6850 1Gb to replace my 8800 GTX. I used this site http://www.extreme.outervision.com/PSUEngine to calculate power consumption of my current setup and future setup. And guess what? The system will consume 35 watt less with the Radeon card. So I think there will be no need to replace the PSU.

just my 2 cents.

cheers bone

doodbone · 17-11-2011 10:30PM

by the way, make sure you get a pci-e 2.0 card because the 2.1 versions can have compatibility issues with a pci-e 1.0 slot which this mainboard has. 2.0 should be fine and backwards compatible.

spankalish · 17-11-2011 11:04PM

doodbone wrote: »

by the way, make sure you get a pci-e 2.0 card because the 2.1 versions can have compatibility issues with a pci-e 1.0 slot which this mainboard has. 2.0 should be fine and backwards compatible.

yea I know that. I only had a 8600 gts in my machine ****ty card really. Only took 75watt at full load. if u go to http://www.hwcompare.com u can compare any card. Due to the watt of the card in my machine I went for the same again The sapphire 5670hd 1gig. It takes the came power at full load but double the performance. The 6850 is some card. wish my machine would take it

I dont want to change the PSU. Too much trouble. Only want a small quick up grade. It will play battlefield at medium settings. I'll be happy enough with that.

spankalish · 17-11-2011 11:18PM

just looked at the 6850 v 8800gtx its only slightly better. You get direct x11 and a few little extras but performance wise there not much diff. Still way better then my card tho. But you still couldnt go for anything else only the 6870 thats 4 watt off the 8800gtx. slighty better performance. From what I can see the gforce models are all power hungry work dogs while the radeon is more advanced and keeping power usage at the min. Kind of like German cars compared to American.

yoyo · 17-11-2011 11:27PM

spankalish wrote: »

just looked at the 6850 v 8800gtx its only slightly better. You get direct x11 and a few little extras but performance wise there not much diff. Still way better then my card tho. But you still couldnt go for anything else only the 6870 thats 4 watt off the 8800gtx. slighty better performance. From what I can see the gforce models are all power hungry work dogs while the radeon is more advanced and keeping power usage at the min. Kind of like German cars compared to American.

Remember if you have low memory and a crap CPU video card will not be that significant an upgrade, many games now are multi core optomised, and work better on decent dual core/Quad core CPUs, Core 2, AMD Phenoym sp?, Core i3 etc, earlier "Pentium" dual cores are not great processesors at all by todays standards

Nick

asif2011 · 17-11-2011 11:30PM

What are the rails like on your power supply? Might be listed on the side of it... Will it handle the 6850?

spankalish · 17-11-2011 11:32PM

yoyo wrote: »

Remember if you have low memory and a crap CPU video card will not be that significant an upgrade, many games now are multi core optomised, and work better on decent dual core/Quad core CPUs, Core 2, AMD Phenoym sp?, Core i3 etc, earlier "Pentium" dual cores are not great processesors at all by todays standards

Nick

Im alright der I got a q6600 its a 2.40GHz Core 2 Quad. No bottle necking here.

yoyo · 17-11-2011 11:37PM

spankalish wrote: »

Im alright der I got a q6600 its a 2.40GHz Core 2 Quad. No bottle necking here.

Same as myself

Nick

spankalish · 17-11-2011 11:38PM

asif2011 wrote: »

What are the rails like on your power supply? Might be listed on the side of it... Will it handle the 6850?

I havent opened my computer yet. Im sticking in more ram. from 2-4Gb and a new graphics card same watt as the last. Id say the 6850 should work in his machine cuz it takes less power on full load. Sure a pci x16 port can only give 75 watt of power. U need external power If you want any more or a pci 2 or 2.1 x 16 which gives more power. Most Radeon card use the psi slot power while the gforce like to go external. So he could fall into trouble that way.

doodbone · 18-11-2011 12:10AM

The Sapphire 6850 has a 6-pin PEG connection. So should be fine then ;-)
and btw, also a Q6600 here :-)

if you want to catch up on your dutch, here is very good review on the Sapphire card including pics, benchmarks, crossfire, etc.
http://tweakers.net/productreview/29533/sapphire-hd-6850-1gb-gddr5-pcie.html

cheers bone

spankalish · 18-11-2011 12:21AM

doodbone wrote: »

The Sapphire 6850 has a 6-pin PEG connection. So should be fine then ;-)
and btw, also a Q6600 here :-)

if you want to catch up on your dutch, here is very good review on the Sapphire card including pics, benchmarks, crossfire, etc.
http://tweakers.net/productreview/29533/sapphire-hd-6850-1gb-gddr5-pcie.html

cheers bone

yes it may fit the port but that card requires 127 watt while a pci 1.1 only gives out 75 watt. This is why I got the 5670hd. Its the best card you can get for that slot. A pci 2.0 can give out 150 watt. But I doubt your computer has one. Your 8800 GTX more then likely takes external power. I know my 8600 gts does. The 6850 might work but not very well if its only a psi x16 port you have

spankalish · 18-11-2011 12:40AM

doodbone wrote: »

The Sapphire 6850 has a 6-pin PEG connection. So should be fine then ;-)
and btw, also a Q6600 here :-)

if you want to catch up on your dutch, here is very good review on the Sapphire card including pics, benchmarks, crossfire, etc.
http://tweakers.net/productreview/29533/sapphire-hd-6850-1gb-gddr5-pcie.html

cheers bone

haha sorry didn read da right yea 6-pin peg ul be fine den.

doodbone · 18-11-2011 01:08AM

asif2011 wrote: »

What are the rails like on your power supply? Might be listed on the side of it... Will it handle the 6850?

it has two 12 volt rails with 18A each...

According to the PSU calculator my current setup has been sucking 390 Watt for the last 4 years (8800GTX, 4 dimms, 2 hdd, 2 opticals, wireless nic) while it claims to be 375 Watt Dell PSU. Go figure...

I think I will get one tomorrow and just try it

asif2011 · 18-11-2011 01:12AM

doodbone wrote: »

it has two 12 volt rails with 18A each...

According to the PSU calculator my current setup has been sucking 390 Watt for the last 4 years (8800GTX, 4 dimms, 2 hdd, 2 opticals, wireless nic) while it claims to be 375 Watt Dell PSU. Go figure...

I think I will get one tomorrow and just try it

http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1697723
check this, seems to say 18A is not enough... don't know myself you could be OK - my system is single 12v rail 62A - way more than I'll ever encounter...

spankalish · 18-11-2011 01:16AM

doodbone wrote: »

it has two 12 volt rails with 18A each...

According to the PSU calculator my current setup has been sucking 390 Watt for the last 4 years (8800GTX, 4 dimms, 2 hdd, 2 opticals, wireless nic) while it claims to be 375 Watt Dell PSU. Go figure...

I think I will get one tomorrow and just try it

The dell PSUs are very good. there more like 400 or 425 watt. I wouldn like to push dem tho. PSU blows ul blow any ram in use ur graphics card and daz a few hundred gone. Not worth it.

doodbone · 18-11-2011 01:20AM

thanks for the info...I'll sleep on it and check the store and see what they have to say about it. Keep you posted. Thanks!

asif2011 · 18-11-2011 01:23AM

Dell PSUs are sometimes difficult to replace too, don't know if you can put an OEM PSU in there, probably not. If it blows it'll leave looking on eBay for a second-hand replacement.

Skinner2001 · 12-12-2011 01:48AM

spankalish wrote: »

ok I just bought an asus Radeon HD 6850 from amazon. I own a dell dimension 9200. It only has a 350 watt psu and its recommended to have a 500 watt. I am wondering if I will have to upgrade a psu and If the card will work at all? any help on this thank.

Course you can if your Dimension 9200 is the same as mine DXP061 with 375w PSU. I just put replaced a GTX260 Core 216 (which was sucking 171w at load) with a HD5850 (151w) so your HD6850 (127w at load) will be fine!
Good luck.

fiachra.oc · 15-03-2012 07:22AM

Did you do this upgrade and was it worth it?

I'm thinking of doing it too for ACVHD editing.

Also considering an upgrade to Win 7.

Any thoughts?

upgrading a dell dimension 9200 graphics card

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